Speculation: LA Kings with heavy interest in Landeskog

[deeshamrock]

I would hope it would not be higher than Landeskog, or at least his cap hit of 5.5 million which goes for another 3 years.

Landeskog has 15 points this year and his contract runs through 2020-2021

People talk about how bad Brown's contract is, (and it is) but he has more goals and points this year. And his contract runs a year more than Landeskog


I don't get why a team with 2 bad contracts already would risk taking on a 3rd.
Landeskog has been trending down every year since 2013...

Brown was a 50 point a season guy then bang, it was gone
Landeskog was a 50-60 point a season guy, this year, he is on pace for 30.

Teams cannot always grab at shiney objects, because sometimes there is a hook in there than you cannot remove later

Landeskog was playing with an injury at the beginning of the year which finally sidelined him for awhile.
He hasn't been 'trending down', not even close. His ppg has been pretty steady. Career .67
Rookie year .63, which he has surpassed 3 times in his 5 complete NHL seasons.

Brown currently has 6 more points and has played in 11 more games. He's at .48 ppg currently, Landeskog is .47 so it's pretty even.

And he's not on pace for 30 points. That math analogy never makes sense, you cannot predict how a player will fare going forward. With 40 games left, he could still hit his career ppg or better.

Landeskog doens't have a bad contract, and given everything he does, all that he contributes, esp in the leadership and IQ end, it's a very fair deal

He's young, just turned 24, not even in his prime yet. Brown's prime was over 3 years ago.

Don't see any comparison between them or that DL has the ammo to get him. Not like packages other teams can offer in June if Sakic wants to wait. ANd Boston is hot to get him and might be changing their mind on giving Carlo as part of the deal.
Right now, the Avs need a goalie...so they might shelve the Landy stuff until that gets done.


Landeskog is the better player and Sakic shouldn't be trading him. One of the few players on that team that leaves it all on the ice most shifts. And not in the greatest situation there over the last few years.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

LoL, have we traded for Landeskog yet?


Lintuneimi
Moverare
Clague
1st round pick

for

Landeskog (50% retained)



Is it a deal?


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How about Hanzal?


Dowd
2nd
3rd

for

Hanzal



Do we have a deal?


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Landeskog / Kopitar / Gaborik
Pearson / Carter / Toffoli
King / Hanzal / Brown
Clifford / Shore / Lewis

Seto & Nolan

No deal. Instead of retaining anything of Landeskog's contract, let's move one of Greene or Dwight King in any package. It would be nice to move players that should be moved...and since Gaborik and Brown won't be taken, start unloading the next ones on the list.

 

[YP44]

I get LaDue has great potential but if he was the key to land Landeskog I think I may consider it. My main hang up would be how to work out the cap hit(s).

If somehow salary in Gaborik and Greene could go the other way it would be a no brainer.

In my dream world the Avalanche think Ladue is the second coming and we deal LaDue, Gaborik, Greene, 1st (LA choses this year or next), McNabb for Landeskog.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

After seeing how bad Lombardi's last two deals ended up with Sekera and Lucic (in hindsight of course) I want no part in trading more first round picks and prospects. Lombardi needs to start restocking the cup board, not trading the few good pieces which are left in an already thin prospect system

Hanzal would be an injury prone rental, while Landeskog is already inconsistent and would just turn into another overpaid 40 point forward here. Why should we trade Person++ for him when Pearson has almost as many goals as Landeskog has points? Why trade Dowd plus two early round picks for Hanzal when Hanzal likely won't resign here?

The team has shown no signs of being a true contender this year, so I just don't think it's smart to trade more picks and prospects, I mean we haven't had a first round pick since what, Kempe?

 

[AlphaBravo]

After seeing how bad Lombardi's last two deals ended up with Sekera and Lucic (in hindsight of course) I want no part in trading more first round picks and prospects. Lombardi needs to start restocking the cup board, not trading the few good pieces which are left in an already thin prospect system

Hanzal would be an injury prone rental, while Landeskog is already inconsistent and would just turn into another overpaid 40 point forward here. Why should we trade Person++ for him when Pearson has almost as many goals as Landeskog has points? Why trade Dowd plus two early round picks for Hanzal when Hanzal likely won't resign here?

The team has shown no signs of being a true contender this year, so I just don't think it's smart to trade more picks and prospects, I mean we haven't had a first round pick since what, Kempe?

Spot on. I don't get the proposals some people are shooting, like Muzzin + Pearson for Landeskog, when Pearson is just as or almost as good as Landeskog in terms of production. And Muzzin alone is enough to fetch us a top 6 winger in the NHL. I think we should stand pat in this trade deadline unless there is an opportunity to unload Gaborik or Brown, which I am willing to part with a prospect and 1st rounder to do (although I would not hold my breath that this deal can happen).

Otherwise, next season should give us a good opportunity to get a top 6 winger. If LaDue does well in his appearance next year (even if for just a cup of coffee initially, like Gravel this year), then Lombardi can feel comfortable moving Muzzin or Martinez for a top 6 winger (and Colorado doesn't necessarily have to be our trade partner). At that point, we will have solid lefty right top two pairings:

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin or Martinez-LaDue
McNabb-Gravel/Gilbert

 

[johnjm22]

I would hope it would not be higher than Landeskog, or at least his cap hit of 5.5 million which goes for another 3 years.

Landeskog has 15 points this year and his contract runs through 2020-2021

People talk about how bad Brown's contract is, (and it is) but he has more goals and points this year. And his contract runs a year more than Landeskog


I don't get why a team with 2 bad contracts already would risk taking on a 3rd.
Landeskog has been trending down every year since 2013...

Brown was a 50 point a season guy then bang, it was gone
Landeskog was a 50-60 point a season guy, this year, he is on pace for 30.

Teams cannot always grab at shiney objects, because sometimes there is a hook in there than you cannot remove later

Landeskog has also had a fairly serious concussion already.

He's a fine player and all, but he's overrated. I think giving up major assets to get him would be a mistake.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

I'm also holding out hope for at least one of kempe or brodzinski to earn a roster spot by the end of next season at the latest. That might be our winger infusion.

All will be clear after the expansion draft.

 

[kings11]

The only guys I would move either Muzzin or Martinez for is Wayne Simmonds...

 

[AnThGrt]

Landeskog has also had a fairly serious concussion already.

He's a fine player and all, but he's overrated. I think giving up major assets to get him would be a mistake.

Quite the contrary he is being criminally underrated by people here.

 

[deeshamrock]

The only guys I would move either Muzzin or Martinez for is Wayne Simmonds...

Why would you trade for a player who will be 30 when his contract runs out in 2 years and the DL has to make another bad contract , 8 x 8 to a player who will be 31 when the new contract starts.

I love Simmonds abut most of his goals/points are about 10-15 feet from the net and a high percentage on the PP. And he's weak defensively, not his strong suit. He tends to struggle 5 x 5, not the fastest skater and doesn't make the best decisions with the puck. His -16 this year is no accident. Best asset he has is his leadership, very vocal, passionate, speaks out when they lose, you can hear it in his voice. Good thing he does because the 'captain' sure doesn't. He'll sense during a game when he has to turn into an aggravator. Sometimes it ends up with him in the box, which isn't good but at least he tries.

Right now, he's at his peak, and would required a haul in return. It would take more than Muzzin and Martinez (and the Flyers aren't looking for a d, they need a LW), DL gives up another high draft pick. Then what? He doesn't make the Kings (and his production would shrink in Sutter's system) a contender this year and where does that extra 7 to 8 M he wants on the next deal come from?

Hexy is too smart a businessman to do that either. Which is why I think he'll get traded next summer, when he's about to turn 30 and on the last of his contract. He can't afford to give a 31 year old a 6 t o 8 yr deal at 7 to 8 per. Esp not with 13 contracts expiring this year. And Provorov and Konecky (and possibly Ghost if he signs a 2 yr bridge deal this year) needing contracts that year as well. But some GM will, perhaps on a team that is a top team , a legit Cup contender. They usually worry about the bulk of the bad contract after the parade.

 

[kings11]

Why would you trade for a player who will be 30 when his contract runs out in 2 years and the DL has to make another bad contract , 8 x 8 to a player who will be 31 when the new contract starts.

I love Simmonds abut most of his goals/points are about 10-15 feet from the net and a high percentage on the PP. And he's weak defensively, not his strong suit. He tends to struggle 5 x 5, not the fastest skater and doesn't make the best decisions with the puck. His -16 this year is no accident. Best asset he has is his leadership, very vocal, passionate, speaks out when they lose, you can hear it in his voice. Good thing he does because the 'captain' sure doesn't. He'll sense during a game when he has to turn into an aggravator. Sometimes it ends up with him in the box, which isn't good but at least he tries.

Right now, he's at his peak, and would required a haul in return. It would take more than Muzzin and Martinez (and the Flyers aren't looking for a d, they need a LW), DL gives up another high draft pick. Then what? He doesn't make the Kings (and his production would shrink in Sutter's system) a contender this year and where does that extra 7 to 8 M he wants on the next deal come from?

Hexy is too smart a businessman to do that either. Which is why I think he'll get traded next summer, when he's about to turn 30 and on the last of his contract. He can't afford to give a 31 year old a 6 t o 8 yr deal at 7 to 8 per. Esp not with 13 contracts expiring this year. And Provorov and Konecky (and possibly Ghost if he signs a 2 yr bridge deal this year) needing contracts that year as well. But some GM will, perhaps on a team that is a top team , a legit Cup contender. They usually worry about the bulk of the bad contract after the parade.

Hence I'd only do it if it was a 1-for-1 deal.. although realistically we can't upgrade the roster without creating further holes

 

[Steve Zissou]

We def. know that what people are saying The Kings should do, DL ends up doing the opposite.

 

[YP44]

We def. know that what people are saying The Kings should do, DL ends up doing the opposite.

I don't know people said LA needed help up front so they traded for Penner, people said they still needed help scoring so they traded for Carter, same thing with Gaborik, people were saying LA needed to solidify the top 4 D when DL traded for Sekera.

The Lucic one shocked me.

 

[lexlavender]

Kings should exhaust their minor league options before thinking about a trade. Even then, we should hold pat until after expansion draft. So what if we don't make playoffs? This is a building year; lets get a decent draft pick and then see where we're at.

 

[Trolfoli]

If something happens it needs to happen soon. This roster is slipping and if they wait for the deadline there's a good chance they're out of it. If they're not serious about going for the playoffs they need to be playing for a better draft pick and give Zatkoff more starts.

My suspicions would be for a wing to be added, and a goalie.

 

[theMajor]

Kings should exhaust their minor league options before thinking about a trade. Even then, we should hold pat until after expansion draft. So what if we don't make playoffs? This is a building year; lets get a decent draft pick and then see where we're at.

these are my feelings exactly. let the current roster play the season out. if they make the playoffs, its good experience for the youngers. if they dont, its not a big deal as everyone was expecting it to be a 'down' year anyway. the bigger picture will become more clear after the expansion draft and thats precisely when Dean should start making things happen. the Kings have lost too many assets in the last few seasons by trying to go for a late season push. its just not worth it this season

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't think anyone disagrees with the idea that we need to hang onto assets, let the youth gain experience, and just get healthy so we can see what our actual 'problems' are...but can we stop pretending Landeskog would be a rental? He's a surefire young top-sixer on a good contract.

I'm not for the trade for a variety of reasons but we're starting to talk about him as if we'd be dumping assets for a guy walking after this year.

 

[theMajor]

its not so much Landeskog himself that I have a problem with (I would love him in a Kings sweater), its the exorbitant asking price. I dont think the Kings are really in a position to trade for him. in fact, Im not against Dean being somewhat of a seller at the TDL this time around if he can leverage a good deal

 

[SFKingshomer]

I'm worried about his numbers taken a big dip and him being a 20 goal, 40 point guy. The Kings and Lombardi can't afford another overpriced winger.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I'm worried about his numbers taken a big dip and him being a 20 goal, 40 point guy. The Kings and Lombardi can't afford another overpriced winger.

What's wrong with a 20-40 guy? Kings will probably only have two 20 goal guys this year and probably 4-5 40 point guys.

 

[SFKingshomer]

What's wrong with a 20-40 guy? Kings will probably only have two 20 goal guys this year and probably 4-5 40 point guys.

Not enough production for nearly 6 million and the cost of multiple quality assets.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm worried about his numbers taken a big dip and him being a 20 goal, 40 point guy. The Kings and Lombardi can't afford another overpriced winger.

I don't. He literally just turned 24 and is a 50-60 point player who is coming back from an injury on a **** team.

its not so much Landeskog himself that I have a problem with (I would love him in a Kings sweater), its the exorbitant asking price. I dont think the Kings are really in a position to trade for him. in fact, Im not against Dean being somewhat of a seller at the TDL this time around if he can leverage a good deal

No that I 100% agree with.

 

[KingsFan7824]

If something happens it needs to happen soon. This roster is slipping and if they wait for the deadline there's a good chance they're out of it.

If they're not good enough to stay in it, nobody that we can guess they would be able to realistically get at the deadline is going to do much. That's what happened in 14-15, they got hot and added Sekera, and then couldn't beat Edmonton in a must win game.

I'm not anti-trade, because the West is open for whoever wants to take it this year, but it would be annoying watching another 14-15 season happen. Considering they have a worse points% than in 14-15 right now, and that's with a league best OT record this time, Lombardi should take as much time as he needs. The team hasn't shown that they're worth investing in. That's why Lombardi did what he did over the summer, and why there should be no rush now.

 

[tsanuri]

What's wrong with a 20-40 guy? Kings will probably only have two 20 goal guys this year and probably 4-5 40 point guys.

His contract is 5.5M.
Brown is 5.875M and looking at being a 40 point guy. He's not looking at 20 goals but if that is all you think he will do then that's bad news.
In both cases they need to be 50-60 point guys. But I know on this team 60 point guys even are 2 per year.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Hoven spoke about re-tooling on the latest NHL Radio - Two Man Advantage show. He mentions dumping some of the bottom 6 and giving kids like Mersch a shot.

I agree with everything he says. Everyone should take a listen.

Can Mersch and Kempe not match the 4 goals of Setoguchi? I mean, he's dead on.

Also, who would have given Lewis 4 years? Or Clifford that long term deal? Only Lombardi.