Speculation: LA Kings with heavy interest in Landeskog

[Little Psycho]

Funny thing is the Kings had the 1st round pick both times they won the Cup.

Then in 2013, 2015, and 2016 we traded the 1st's. We had only 4 draft picks this past year.

After we won the Cup in 2014, we had 10 picks. In part due to my earlier post where I discussed where DL dealt dead weight for picks even when contending.

Lombardi has to take the same approach. He cannot deal a 1st and he should be peddling guys like Gilbert, Setoguchi, and King, who are all UFA's and even guys like Clifford (when you have Andreoff) for picks to refill the cupboard and get the odds up in picking some decent talent in 2016 and 2017. Hell, even try and deal Ted Purcell, Brent Sutter, Michael Latta, Zach Trotman, or Rob Scuderi if he can, even for late round picks.

He needs to start stocking. There's a lot baggage on the Kings and in Ontario.

 

[YP44]

Funny thing is the Kings had the 1st round pick both times they won the Cup.

Then in 2013, 2015, and 2016 we traded the 1st's. We had only 4 draft picks this past year.

After we won the Cup in 2014, we had 10 picks. In part due to my earlier post where I discussed where DL dealt dead weight for picks even when contending.

Lombardi has to take the same approach. He cannot deal a 1st and he should be peddling guys like Gilbert, Setoguchi, and King, who are all UFA's and even guys like Clifford (when you have Andreoff) for picks to refill the cupboard and get the odds up in picking some decent talent in 2016 and 2017. Hell, even try and deal Ted Purcell, Brent Sutter, Michael Latta, Zach Trotman, or Rob Scuderi if he can, even for late round picks.

sounds good to me but maybe he can both peddle depth role players for later picks and try and land a non-rental player.

One other player I would want to try and deal is Greene. He has done a lot for the kings as a king but would be great not to have his cap hit next year.

 

[theMajor]

Brown's contract is horrible but most of us knew it would be a problem: it just became a problem a lot sooner.

You couldn't sign him to some three year deal in the Summer of '13. He just came off an amazing Cup run in '12 and a great lockout-shortened season in '13. Hindsight is cool and all but bashing it now is just a waste of time. They won again in '14 with this contract on the books and I seem to remember Brown still wearing the "C", scoring six points in the WCF from Games 4-7 while being instrumental in the Game 7 victory and then scoring the GWG in Game 2 of the SCF in double overtime.

Yes, it sucks that he has not come close to his numbers prior to the extension but it would of been impossible to let him walk in 2013. Just impossible.

Gaborik still probably walks away prior to the end of this contract. This was a tougher decision than Brown but, **** it, the guy put up 27 goals the first year of the contract in what should of been a solid title defense in 2015 that was torpedoed by Voynov and a real lackluster season from Kopitar.

Anyways, the contracts suck. They were completely defensible at the time and, even though they are problems now, it's ignorant to bash them without remembering the climate at the time of the signings.

Keeping Richards was the real big mistake. Black cloud hanging over the entire 2015 season and now a cap hit from here to eternity. This is all compounded by the assets given up for rental players that have led to one playoff win in the last two seasons. Even the Sekera/Lucic deals can still be argued when putting them into context; however, the risk was greater with those moves than the Brown and Gaborik deals when you remember what the team was like when those signings/trades were made.

I have zero issue with the Brown contract when it comes to DL. I really don't like it now but he had to bring him back. They won another Cup with him being an important contributor to it so it is what it is. I hope the #23 is up in the rafters someday as well and I am not a Brown apologist.

great post. you touched on a lot of facts that quite a few posters here have a hard time swallowing

 

[BigKing]

I stand corrected on '14 being Brown's first year under the new contract.

Really shows how much the contract really sucks and how awesome his previous contract was.

I agree that there needs to be some restocking so it comes down to management going back to pre-2012 thinking a bit and away from the "all-in" mindset of the past few season.

I think that has already happened and was signaled by the captaincy change and the pathetic "haul" brought in during UFA. I don't think management expected a title this season and have been hoping to just be in the mix, see what happens and then hope the young guys develop nicely so you have a good idea of what they have moving forward.

That's pretty much what is happening, just in an odd way with Budaj in net, Carter dominating and Kopitar being Quietar on most nights.

My hope for the rest of the season is that they at least make the playoffs. My worst case scenario for the season was a black hole draft pick. I'd gladly take the lower 1st round pick as a result from a 1st round loss in exchange for some of these guys getting playoff experience.

Unless that loss is against Anaheim.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Landeskog is not a rental. That's the only way I see LaDue going. But it would take a LOT more than LaDue, and we can't afford that, nor can we lose defensive depth because trading for Landeskog would force us to protect more forwards, meaning we lose the defensive depth we worked so hard to acquire.

I mean there's a lot of smoke, but I don't see anything that works.

The other night, Ladue had 7 shots on goal, when AVs scouts were there. Without seeing the game, sounds like he was on his game. I wouldn't deal Pearson and Ladue for Landeskog, if that's whats floated out there. I wouldn't trade Pearson. He still is scratching the surface and was a key to the 2014 CUP.

With the asking price very high for Landeskog, I don't see a deal with the Kings.
That being said, I would not be shocked if it was Muzzin or Martinez as the main piece. I wish Ladue had come out of college the year before (he almost did) he may have been NHL ready now. A year in the Kings' AHL system would have gone a longer way than that yr in North Dakota.I hope they keep Ladue. Higher ceiling than Forbort, Gravel, McNabb.

 

[SCARFACE909]

Funny thing is the Kings had the 1st round pick both times they won the Cup.

Then in 2013, 2015, and 2016 we traded the 1st's. We had only 4 draft picks this past year.

After we won the Cup in 2014, we had 10 picks. In part due to my earlier post where I discussed where DL dealt dead weight for picks even when contending.

Lombardi has to take the same approach. He cannot deal a 1st and he should be peddling guys like Gilbert, Setoguchi, and King, who are all UFA's and even guys like Clifford (when you have Andreoff) for picks to refill the cupboard and get the odds up in picking some decent talent in 2016 and 2017. Hell, even try and deal Ted Purcell, Brent Sutter, Michael Latta, Zach Trotman, or Rob Scuderi if he can, even for late round picks.

I mean to be technically fair, the kings traded their first in 2012, it's just that because they won the cup and had 30th pick, Columbus decided to defer the 1st to 2013 instead.

 

[johnjm22]

I wouldn't trade Pearson straight up for Landeskog.

 

[deaderhead28]

Speaking of a AVS fan opinion on trading Landeskog to the Kings lol,

Here's a quote


(Kings could trade Muzzin, LaDue, Kempe, and a 1st for Landy. Nothing in there is worth trading Gabe. Hold on to him. There's no gun to your head, Sakic.)

 

[KingsFan7824]

Speaking of a AVS fan opinion on trading Landeskog to the Kings lol,

Here's a quote


(Kings could trade Muzzin, LaDue, Kempe, and a 1st for Landy. Nothing in there is worth trading Gabe. Hold on to him. There's no gun to your head, Sakic.)

It's true. Unless Sakic is that bad of a GM, if Lombardi wants Landeskog he has to make Sakic trade him.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's true. Unless Sakic is that bad of a GM, if Lombardi wants Landeskog he has to make Sakic trade him.

I agree that it's something where he has to make an offer Sakic can't refuse--because sure he's 'available' but there's no urgency to move anyone, but it's more the smug fan attitude of "the Kings don't have anything worthwhile on their roster," "Muzzin is a 4-5 d-man," "Kings have no good prospects" coming from a last-place team that's getting old.

 

[SFKingshomer]

I want no part of Landeskog if it's for Muzzin and multiple assets. I'm not sure he would produce much more than Muzzin did last season and we don't have enough assets as it is.

 

[Reaper45]

Let's be real, when was the last time under Lombardi, a guy was rumored to be traded to L.A. for weeks before it happened. I'm going to keep waiting for that answer. Lombardi doesn't let **** get leaked. It's always out of the blue and a guy no one was expecting. I guess Penner and Sekera were kinda rumored but that's it. Williams, Carter, Richards all out of left field.

 

[johnjm22]

Let's be real, when was the last time under Lombardi, a guy was rumored to be traded to L.A. for weeks before it happened. I'm going to keep waiting for that answer. Lombardi doesn't let **** get leaked. It's always out of the blue and a guy no one was expecting. I guess Penner and Sekera were kinda rumored but that's it. Williams, Carter, Richards all out of left field.

As I recall, there was a lot of speculation LA could be a landing spot for Carter. It was no secret that he was on the block.

 

[raswilliam]

Let's be real, when was the last time under Lombardi, a guy was rumored to be traded to L.A. for weeks before it happened. I'm going to keep waiting for that answer. Lombardi doesn't let **** get leaked. It's always out of the blue and a guy no one was expecting. I guess Penner and Sekera were kinda rumored but that's it. Williams, Carter, Richards all out of left field.

thats what is making this whole King-Avs speculation so interesting. Who is dean actually targeting? Is it something big involving one of EJ, Barrie (both RHD) or Landy? Or something smaller like Iginla and Pickard? If it's Ladue the Avs are targeting in Ontario you gotta think Dean will want a rhd back in return.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Let's be real, when was the last time under Lombardi, a guy was rumored to be traded to L.A. for weeks before it happened. I'm going to keep waiting for that answer. Lombardi doesn't let **** get leaked. It's always out of the blue and a guy no one was expecting. I guess Penner and Sekera were kinda rumored but that's it. Williams, Carter, Richards all out of left field.

I miss the leaks, lol. The night before the 2003 trade deadline, I got a PM "Schneider is being dealt to Detroit for Sean Avery" and another that night "Smolinski to Ottawa for Tim Gleason' I do not even recall who the poster was and would not divulge if I did.
I believe the leak was Lieweke's kid. Seriously. The crazy thing is, Schneider didn't hear it until someone told him later the next day, before mgmt could reach him. (as I recall)

The most bizarre leak I recall, was reading on a Yahoo sports / hockey msg board, that Felix Potvin was traded to the Kings, 'a done deal' hours or even a day before it broke.

Carter was rumored a few days before that deal. Recall reading rumors.

 

[deaderhead28]

It's true. Unless Sakic is that bad of a GM, if Lombardi wants Landeskog he has to make Sakic trade him.

And No,Its not true,only a moron trades those assets for a winger..Muzzin is a fair trade for a winger,adding LaDue and Kempe and a first is over payment.

 

[deaderhead28]

I want no part of Landeskog if it's for Muzzin and multiple assets. I'm not sure he would produce much more than Muzzin did last season and we don't have enough assets as it is.

High Five!!!

 

[Kingspiracy]

Has anyone followed Gudbranson at all? Nucks fans seem to want to give him away. Didn't he used to be a young highly rated gritty RD? Almost seems like a greener replacement in the making.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Has anyone followed Gudbranson at all? Nucks fans seem to want to give him away. Didn't he used to be a young highly rated gritty RD? Almost seems like a greener replacement in the making.

we have 8 defense man on the roster right now We have Paul LaDue most likely ready by next year. Don't see us trading for a defense man unless one of martinez or muzzin is also moving

 

[Trolfoli]

Has anyone followed Gudbranson at all? Nucks fans seem to want to give him away. Didn't he used to be a young highly rated gritty RD? Almost seems like a greener replacement in the making.

If he can play top 4, I'm on board. Van fans don't think that's the case.

 

[YP44]

I wouldn't trade Pearson straight up for Landeskog.

depends on Pearsons contract demands

 

[YP44]

Has anyone followed Gudbranson at all? Nucks fans seem to want to give him away. Didn't he used to be a young highly rated gritty RD? Almost seems like a greener replacement in the making.

Yup he is a Greene replacement, however just cause fans do not like him does not many management feels the same. They just traded for the guy and he has been pretty injured. I doubt he is actually available.

 

[fsanford]

depends on Pearsons contract demands

I would hope it would not be higher than Landeskog, or at least his cap hit of 5.5 million which goes for another 3 years.

Landeskog has 15 points this year and his contract runs through 2020-2021

People talk about how bad Brown's contract is, (and it is) but he has more goals and points this year. And his contract runs a year more than Landeskog


I don't get why a team with 2 bad contracts already would risk taking on a 3rd.
Landeskog has been trending down every year since 2013...

Brown was a 50 point a season guy then bang, it was gone
Landeskog was a 50-60 point a season guy, this year, he is on pace for 30.

Teams cannot always grab at shiney objects, because sometimes there is a hook in there than you cannot remove later

 

[The Tikkanen]

I would hope it would not be higher than Landeskog, or at least his cap hit of 5.5 million which goes for another 3 years.

Landeskog has 15 points this year and his contract runs through 2020-2021

People talk about how bad Brown's contract is, (and it is) but he has more goals and points this year. And his contract runs a year more than Landeskog


I don't get why a team with 2 bad contracts already would risk taking on a 3rd.
Landeskog has been trending down every year since 2013...

Brown was a 50 point a season guy then bang, it was gone
Landeskog was a 50-60 point a season guy, this year, he is on pace for 30.

Teams cannot always grab at shiney objects, because sometimes there is a hook in there than you cannot remove later

Most of Landeskog's numbers are similar to what he has done in the past. Shooting percentage is the same and that's usually the first thing you see go down when a player struggles. The one thing that sticks out looking at Landeskog's numbers is his shots on goal have gone down every year if you remove 2012-2013 when he played in 36 games. 270-222-214-169 and 73 in 32 games this season. Either he's not shooting enough or the scouts have figured out where to force him on defense where he cannot get to areas he wants to shoot the puck. 2 goals and no assists on the PP this season while averaging 2:38 on the man advantage. His short handed time on ice went from 1:26 last season to 2:10 this season. His hits have gone from (again removing 2012-2013) 219-176-169-141 and 72 this season.

 

[Basilisk]

LoL, have we traded for Landeskog yet?


Lintuneimi
Moverare
Clague
1st round pick

for

Landeskog (50% retained)



Is it a deal?


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How about Hanzal?


Dowd
2nd
3rd

for

Hanzal



Do we have a deal?


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Landeskog / Kopitar / Gaborik
Pearson / Carter / Toffoli
King / Hanzal / Brown
Clifford / Shore / Lewis

Seto & Nolan