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chris kontos

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Dang, I can’t believe the PLD thread on the trade boards is still going strong. Insane!
thats because this trade and its term is like a bomb waiting to off.
i truly hope pld actualizes and reaches his potential as a killer power center, but i wouldnt put money on that happening.
trade has marc bergevin's shitty fingerprints all over it.
i hope for the best.
 
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Even money there

followed by Arvidsson-Fiala-Roy

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thats because this trade and its term is like a bomb waiting to off.
i truly hope pld actualizes and reaches his potential as a killer power center, but i wouldnt put money on that happening.
trade has marc bergevin's shitty fingerprints all over it.
i hope for the best.
thats not the reason its because the Habs/hab fans thought they were going to pay nothing for him and now are still pissed it didn't happen that way ....... and while most of us are not happy to lose villardi we are probably the strongest team down the middle in the west , have a very good top four on defence and if goaltending can get us to the trade deadline we should have better results
 

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From The Athletic's Eric Duhatschek - part of a longer article answering readers' questions:

Is Kings GM Rob Blake nuts or a genius? — Scott V.

Genius. Though maybe the correct way of assessing Blake’s recent work as GM falls somewhere short of genius, but far from nuts. Last month, when we first did trade grades on the big Winnipeg-Los Angeles deal that saw Pierre-Luc Dubois go to L.A. for Gabe Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari and a second-round pick, I gave the Kings high marks for adding an impact player in exchange for replaceable pieces. But that was a minority view. Most people saw it the other way — as a complete win for Winnipeg, especially since the Jets needed to move on from Dubois. Time will tell how that plays out.

But what I’m discovering more and more is a far greater appetite than there once was — among readers, fans and even teams themselves — for the sort of complete makeover that Flyers GM Daniel Briere did to his team in June. Briere made some bold swings in the trade market, even if it meant taking on bad contracts in some deals and jettisoning players via buyouts in others. In short, he made his team a lot worse — and everybody seemed to love it! Briere’s moves mean Philadelphia is about to embark on a long and painful rebuild, similar to what Detroit has undergone under Steve Yzerman and what San Jose is trying under Mike Grier or Anaheim under Pat Verbeek.

All of which is very appealing in theory. Complete do-over. Out with the old and in with the new.

The problem is the successful execution can be so difficult to complete.

Which is where Blake’s pivot with the Kings comes in.

Between 2017 and 2020, the Kings were one of those same rebuild-through-the-draft teams, trying to restock the player pipeline after going all in to win Stanley Cups in 2012 and 2014 and compete for a few more after that.

In that four-year span, the Kings had 11 choices in the first two rounds — five first-rounders (Vilardi, Kupari, Alex Turcotte, Tobias Bjornfot and Quinton Byfield) and six second-rounders (Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Akil Thomas, Arthur Kaliyev, Samuel Fagemo, Helge Grans and Brock Faber).

Thus far, the only one who has made any kind of impact at all is Vilardi, and it took him until this past year to get there. Byfield remains a work in progress. The Kings have moved on from a lot of the others, most of whom don’t project as impact NHLers. But as a team, they’ve become competitive anyway. Why? Not because of their drafting or developing, but because they’ve gone out and either traded for or signed Dubois, Kevin Fiala, Phillip Danault, Viktor Arvidsson, Trevor Moore, Vladislav Gavrikov and others.

Really good, in-their-prime NHLers, in other words.

You really do need to ask yourself, what’s the better path?

In a perfect world, the preferred course of action is what Dallas managed in 2017, which was to draft three future stars in the first two rounds (Miro Heiskanen, Jake Oettinger and Jason Robertson) of the same draft. But that’s a team catching lightning in a bottle. It’s because it happens so infrequently that we’re always citing that one shining moment as an example of what could be done, with an unreal draft class.

The reality is a strict draft-and-develop strategy is more likely to head in the direction it did with L.A. — where the results have been very mixed.

You look at New York. The Rangers are still waiting to see what Alexis Lafrenière and Kappo Kaako are going to be. Edmonton’s moved on from Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto already — who were two highly regarded prospects not that long ago. Drafting is an inexact science. If you put all your faith in that path alone, and you get the usual share of hits and misses, you can spin and sputter just as badly as the teams desperately trying to stay in their Stanley Cup windows a year or two longer than maybe they should have. That’s what you learn from a sober look back at draft history. Once you get past the handful of premium blue chippers, there are a lot of Lias Anderssons, Olli Juolevis and Alexander Nylanders lurking, even in the top 10 of the first round.

GMs often get criticized for being gun-shy about rebuilds, but all of them have studied draft outcomes. They see what happens when the hype and promise of draft day slowly dissolves and then the hard work of turning these young raw talents into productive difference-making NHLers begins. The results are often not very pretty. Me? I’d rather do what Blake did. Rather than keep hoping for development that may or may not be there, get in some established NHLers — still reasonably young in most cases — and try to win with them right now.
 

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I think that Fiala is the closest thing we’ve had to Ziggy but he’s not all that close.
The thing is too that Fiala has all the tools and ability to become a Palffy. He’s the only other player the Kings have ever had who are like Palffy in many ways. He might not have the point totals yet but he has the aptitude that’s a damn sure.
 
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I do think Fiala's most productive years could potentially be in front of him. He's always working on his game, always trying to improve.

But Palffy scored 48 goals on a dog shit team, with no help around him, and Mike Milbury as the head coach, during the dead the puck era.
 

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From The Athletic's Eric Duhatschek - part of a longer article answering readers' questions:

Is Kings GM Rob Blake nuts or a genius? — Scott V.

Genius. Though maybe the correct way of assessing Blake’s recent work as GM falls somewhere short of genius, but far from nuts. Last month, when we first did trade grades on the big Winnipeg-Los Angeles deal that saw Pierre-Luc Dubois go to L.A. for Gabe Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari and a second-round pick, I gave the Kings high marks for adding an impact player in exchange for replaceable pieces. But that was a minority view. Most people saw it the other way — as a complete win for Winnipeg, especially since the Jets needed to move on from Dubois. Time will tell how that plays out.

But what I’m discovering more and more is a far greater appetite than there once was — among readers, fans and even teams themselves — for the sort of complete makeover that Flyers GM Daniel Briere did to his team in June. Briere made some bold swings in the trade market, even if it meant taking on bad contracts in some deals and jettisoning players via buyouts in others. In short, he made his team a lot worse — and everybody seemed to love it! Briere’s moves mean Philadelphia is about to embark on a long and painful rebuild, similar to what Detroit has undergone under Steve Yzerman and what San Jose is trying under Mike Grier or Anaheim under Pat Verbeek.

All of which is very appealing in theory. Complete do-over. Out with the old and in with the new.

The problem is the successful execution can be so difficult to complete.

Which is where Blake’s pivot with the Kings comes in.

Between 2017 and 2020, the Kings were one of those same rebuild-through-the-draft teams, trying to restock the player pipeline after going all in to win Stanley Cups in 2012 and 2014 and compete for a few more after that.

In that four-year span, the Kings had 11 choices in the first two rounds — five first-rounders (Vilardi, Kupari, Alex Turcotte, Tobias Bjornfot and Quinton Byfield) and six second-rounders (Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Akil Thomas, Arthur Kaliyev, Samuel Fagemo, Helge Grans and Brock Faber).

Thus far, the only one who has made any kind of impact at all is Vilardi, and it took him until this past year to get there. Byfield remains a work in progress. The Kings have moved on from a lot of the others, most of whom don’t project as impact NHLers. But as a team, they’ve become competitive anyway. Why? Not because of their drafting or developing, but because they’ve gone out and either traded for or signed Dubois, Kevin Fiala, Phillip Danault, Viktor Arvidsson, Trevor Moore, Vladislav Gavrikov and others.

Really good, in-their-prime NHLers, in other words.

You really do need to ask yourself, what’s the better path?

In a perfect world, the preferred course of action is what Dallas managed in 2017, which was to draft three future stars in the first two rounds (Miro Heiskanen, Jake Oettinger and Jason Robertson) of the same draft. But that’s a team catching lightning in a bottle. It’s because it happens so infrequently that we’re always citing that one shining moment as an example of what could be done, with an unreal draft class.

The reality is a strict draft-and-develop strategy is more likely to head in the direction it did with L.A. — where the results have been very mixed.

You look at New York. The Rangers are still waiting to see what Alexis Lafrenière and Kappo Kaako are going to be. Edmonton’s moved on from Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto already — who were two highly regarded prospects not that long ago. Drafting is an inexact science. If you put all your faith in that path alone, and you get the usual share of hits and misses, you can spin and sputter just as badly as the teams desperately trying to stay in their Stanley Cup windows a year or two longer than maybe they should have. That’s what you learn from a sober look back at draft history. Once you get past the handful of premium blue chippers, there are a lot of Lias Anderssons, Olli Juolevis and Alexander Nylanders lurking, even in the top 10 of the first round.

GMs often get criticized for being gun-shy about rebuilds, but all of them have studied draft outcomes. They see what happens when the hype and promise of draft day slowly dissolves and then the hard work of turning these young raw talents into productive difference-making NHLers begins. The results are often not very pretty. Me? I’d rather do what Blake did. Rather than keep hoping for development that may or may not be there, get in some established NHLers — still reasonably young in most cases — and try to win with them right now.
Interesting read, even though I find it fundamentally flawed. It only talks about drafting, and ignores development. It says how what Dallas did is lightning in a bottle despite every team who has won a cup lately did so with internally developed players (with the exception of Vegas, whose core of players were more dependent on assets from the expansion draft than the NHL entry draft alone.
 

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I do think Fiala's most productive years could potentially be in front of him. He's always working on his game, always trying to improve.

But Palffy scored 48 goals on a dog shit team, with no help around him, and Mike Milbury as the head coach, during the dead the puck era.
I agree Fiala isn't done growing yet.

But Palffy scored more goals than Sergei freakin Federov nearly every season they both played in the NHL. That's damn impressive, given the shit-show teams he was on.
 

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I agree Fiala isn't done growing yet.

But Palffy scored more goals than Sergei freakin Federov nearly every season they both played in the NHL. That's damn impressive, given the shit-show teams he was on.
Putting up a nit pick point since I see this mentioned a lot: Shit show team doesnt necessarily impact a players scoring totals .. could be a very poor defensive team that score above average.. could be player gets pp1 on crappy team and pp2 on a good team which will most likely improve his scoring on the crappy team.
 

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I agree Fiala isn't done growing yet.

But Palffy scored more goals than Sergei freakin Federov nearly every season they both played in the NHL. That's damn impressive, given the shit-show teams he was on.
It's possible to think both that Palffy was insanely good (he was my favorite player when I was growing up and is still one of my favorites) and that Fiala is the most purely skilled player the Kings have had since Palffy (which doesn't mean he's equal to or better than Palffy was for the Kings).
 

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How many of the guys that mattered were drafted and developed by DL? Doughty wasn't. He was ready to go no matter who drafted him. Kopitar had to replace the likes of Belanger and Conroy, not Kopitar. Quick was so obviously the guy that they drafted Bernier the next year. Everyone else was basically traded for or signed as a reclamation project UFA.

Dang, I can’t believe the PLD thread on the trade boards is still going strong. Insane!

If they're still talking about it it 5-8 years from now, then that's something.
 

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It's possible to think both that Palffy was insanely good (he was my favorite player when I was growing up and is still one of my favorites) and that Fiala is the most purely skilled player the Kings have had since Palffy (which doesn't mean he's equal to or better than Palffy was for the Kings).
Yeah I think Fiala is for sure the most pure skilled guy we've had since Palffy, not much argument there. Can't think of anyone else, maybe Carter is the closest. Even he couldn't drive play like Fiala.

Like you said I was more responding to him being Palffy's equal, when he's really not all that close.

Putting up a nit pick point since I see this mentioned a lot: Shit show team doesnt necessarily impact a players scoring totals .. could be a very poor defensive team that score above average.. could be player gets pp1 on crappy team and pp2 on a good team which will most likely improve his scoring on the crappy team.
Oh for sure, that definitely happens.

But Palffy was being fed by Travis Green. That was just an awful team, and he had to do everything himself.
 

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Interesting read, even though I find it fundamentally flawed. It only talks about drafting, and ignores development. It says how what Dallas did is lightning in a bottle despite every team who has won a cup lately did so with internally developed players (with the exception of Vegas, whose core of players were more dependent on assets from the expansion draft than the NHL entry draft alone.
I find it odd that the writer is complimenting Blake for trading these prospects that have been drafted for established players and the reason for the compliment is because pretty much none of these picks/prospects have turned into much of anything of value after several years. Isn't the fact that all these high picks haven't amounted to much a negative and shows Blake's failures? He's had to pivot to trading them (in grouping and with extra draft picks) just to get anything of value back. Also dipping into FA to get guys because the picks have failed. All of which has caused huge salary cap issues preventing filling other BIG holes throughout the roster. I fail to see how you can praise someone for it. If they got to or won a SCup, then sure that would be an accomplishment to praise. But what really have they accomplished except for simply getting out of the lottery while using up prospect/draft capital.

That's like spending all your savings on stocks investments that tank and trading them, along with some future earnings, for a good used car.
 

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I would rate Gaborik over Fiala all day every day.
I will say this, that 2014 run was one of the most greasy & hard nosed runs I have ever seen from a “skill” player.

Dude just took an absolute beating in front of the net and cashed in every damn chance he had. It was magical.

That bloated pile of shit contract he signed that summer, was enough to sour that run for me, but it damn sure isn’t his fault.
 

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I will say this, that 2014 run was one of the most greasy & hard nosed runs I have ever seen from a “skill” player.

Dude just took an absolute beating in front of the net and cashed in every damn chance he had. It was magical.

That bloated pile of shit contract he signed that summer, was enough to sour that run for me, but it damn sure isn’t his fault.
Although he was skilled I wouldn’t class Gaborik as a ‘skill player’. He was much more about speed, getting open and finishing. At his best I would put him above Fiala but they aren’t the same type of player in my mind.

Completely agree about his 2014 play-off performance, he was huge for us.
 
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I really hope Akil Thomas beats out one of Grundstrom, Lizotte or Lewis - two of them were bad in the playoffs and the other is way past his prime.

I have a dreams of a Thomas-Helenius-Turcotte line next year. Fingers crossed.

Kings had a lack of RH forwards but now they have Fagemo, Laferriere and Thomas. Gotta make room for those guys soon….

I would move Moore asap. Kings RW as they stand are Kempe, Arvidsson, Lewis and Kayilev.
 
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I really hope Akil Thomas beats out one of Grundstrom, Lizotte or Lewis - two of them were bad in the playoffs and the other is way past his prime.

I have a dreams of a Thomas-Helenius-Turcotte line next year. Fingers crossed.

Kings had a lack of RH forwards but now they have Fagemo, Laferriere and Thomas. Gotta make room for those guys soon….

I would move Moore asap. Kings RW as they stand are Kempe, Arvidsson, Lewis and Kayilev.
Thomas and Turcotte need to get healthy, and stay healthy, which is a big ask at this point.

Helenius is a moon shot at this point. If he was only 5’11”, nobody would give a shit about him as a prospect.
 

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Thomas and Turcotte need to get healthy, and stay healthy, which is a big ask at this point.

Helenius is a moon shot at this point. If he was only 5’11”, nobody would give a shit about him as a prospect.

totally agreed....he has size and willingness- but foot speed and skating not even close to being NHL level.
 
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