Speculation: LA Kings Offseason Thread

[ScoreZeGoals]

Man this board is toxic!

The franchises leading centre for the last 15 years gets 7M and ppl are upset, home town discounts are dead forget them.

The word "toxic" has lost all meaning online

 

[Trash Panda]

Yet another contract where Kopitar leaves zero dollars on the table for the better of the team.

He has gotten PAID each and every contract since his ELC.

 

[Herby]

I just don’t see the need to do this now. Kopitar is extremely unlikely to bolt. Why not just wait to see how he looks at 36. What if he takes a Brown like step back, or a Getzlaf one?

The Kopi extension absolutely does NOT "guarantee" any of the following assumptions:
- 'Byfield is a goner'
- 'Byfield is locked in at wing for the next 3 years'

Could it maybe hint at those things being possible/probable??? Yes, sure.

But you guys make these claims as if they're absolute when in reality who tf knows how the next couple years play out.

If Kopi loses a step, he could 100% shift to LW. If Byfield has a breakout season and starts to look like a stud, they could absolutely move him back to center (probably not this coming season but definitely could happen during the 24/25 season)

These 'conclusions' you guys come to are so arbitrary sometimes lol. So much can change over the next couple years

They have 3 centers signed long-term, what does that tell us?

Contending teams usually aren’t trading Selke caliber centers to open up spots for youth.

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Good lord, the people who cover this team are just a complete embarrassment.

 

[DAkings20]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Rob Blake is a Sharks sleeper agent.

 

[Moses Doughty]

One of the RFAs down, one to go

 

[FSL KINGS]

Blake getting business done!

 

[Kingz4life]

Hi! Just to be absolutely clear, the two way contacts for Fagemo and JAD means they can be sent up and down without being claimed or that's not the case?

Also, how much of Copley's 1.5 contact would be charged against the cap if Copley was sent down and not claimed? Not saying this is what Blake is thinking but you never know if he doesn't have a strong camp vs. the two other goalies.

 

[Moses Doughty]

Hi! Just to be absolutely clear, the two way contacts for Fagemo and JAD means they can be sent up and down without being claimed or that's not the case?

Also, how much of Copley's 1.5 contact would be charged against the cap if Copley was sent down and not claimed? Not saying this is what Blake is thinking but you never know if he doesn't have a strong camp vs. the two other goalies.

Two way is pretty much about salary, so they'll get less money in the AHL than NHL.

For Copley, it'd be 425k I think that gets charged if he's in the AHL.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

This guy is the biggest shill on Twitter. Probably another one of Axl’s aliases.

No he’s not. He’s always critical.

 

[bland]

Hi! Just to be absolutely clear, the two way contacts for Fagemo and JAD means they can be sent up and down without being claimed or that's not the case?

Also, how much of Copley's 1.5 contact would be charged against the cap if Copley was sent down and not claimed? Not saying this is what Blake is thinking but you never know if he doesn't have a strong camp vs. the two other goalies.

Both Fagemo and JAD will have to clear waivers in order to be sent to Ontario.

And since they are the bubble players on a team who is insanely planning on a 21/22 man roster, those are the two that will be sent down...

Unless they have lost all confidence in Kaliyev. Luckily they don't have a track record of sending kids on ELCs down to play worse players to protect cap space on a mediocre tea.. shit, never mind.

 

[King'sPawn]

Hi! Just to be absolutely clear, the two way contacts for Fagemo and JAD means they can be sent up and down without being claimed or that's not the case?

Also, how much of Copley's 1.5 contact would be charged against the cap if Copley was sent down and not claimed? Not saying this is what Blake is thinking but you never know if he doesn't have a strong camp vs. the two other goalies.

It just means they make less money when playing in the AHL. It means nothing regarding waiver eligibility.

Regarding Copley - any player assigned to the AHL will have up to $1.125 million buried. So, if Copley cleared and was sent down, his cap hit would still be $375,000.

If Kopitar could be sent down and if he cleared, he'd still count for $8.875 million against the cap (no, I'm not advocating this, just giving an example).

Any player making less than $1.125 wouldn't grant additional cap space. For example, if a player making $900k was sent down, the Kings only get $900k in cap relief. They don't get additional relief.

 

[Telos]

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While I wouldn't go this far, I will say that arguing over him getting $6 or $7M and "not taking a home discount" is silly. The guy scored 28 goals 74 points and was a +20 while putting up 7 points in 6 games in the postseason. PLD did far less and got $8.5M. $7M is the hometown discount and is plenty fair.

I would agree with that the deal didn't have to happen now and it is a little shocking the trigger was pulled so early, but if it was going to happen he is literally the most deserving person in franchise history so whatever...

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

Fans demanding home town discounts is the most annoying thing in sports, bar none

 

[Surf Nutz]

Byfield locked into a winger for at least the next 3 seasons, barring a Danault trade.

It will be up to Turcotte to win the 4C spot to keep any of the hope alive for the 4 1st round centers actually being centers for the Kings.

Hoven said in the end of the year podcast that QB had to play as a C because he was the only hope of a 1C to replace Kopitar. I’m sure there will be some massive spin to try and not make the organization look bad. Probably give Blake credit for trading for a 1C instead.

Nobody wanted to consider a winger at 5 the year before, and then the next year we end up with one at 2, interesting.

I actually question his hockey sense to be a center and think a move to wing presents the best chance at turning his career around. But value wise it’s far from ideal, a winger taken at 2 should be big time scorer.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Fans demanding home town discounts is the most annoying thing in sports, bar none

How about a reasonable contract?

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

How about a reasonable contract?

It's like Charlie Brown and the football except you're Charlie Brown and Lucy at the same time

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

They have 3 centers signed long-term, what does that tell us?

Contending teams usually aren’t trading Selke caliber centers to open up spots for youth.

It tells us they like having sick players/centers in their organization??

Also, I'm not saying Kopitar is getting traded. I'm saying who knows what happens in the next couple years.....

Who knows, maybe as a 37 year old, Kopitar shifts to wing (See Claude Giroux in OTT). Maybe Dubois shifts to wing and Byfield moves to center. Maybe they do end up trading Danault in a couple years. Maybe Byfield does have another disappointing season and ends up getting traded.

Obviously yes, most likely Kopitar will stay at C, Dubois will play C, Danault will stay at C, and Byfield will stay on the wing for the foreseeable future. But we don't know that's 100% going to happen.

My post was directed at the people who are claiming "Bye bye Byfield" and "Well, now Byfield will never play center again" as if they know for sure that's the case because....... And I can't stress this enough......

We don't know how things are going to shake up over the next couple years so it's very silly to make claims about the future of the Kings roster/lineup as if they're facts.

 

[BigKing]

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This is exactly the shit I was talking about earlier today @Fishhead @Herby

As for hometown discounts, players should get their money and not be expected to take less. That being said and in the case of this deal:

- Why do it now? Do they expect Kopitar to take things up a notch this year so he'll cost even more if they wait to sign him?
- Bitching about $1MM is a pretty big deal when you look at this team's current goaltending situation and the genius plan to not roster a full lineup.

I've always known he'd have a contract here if he wanted it. Doing it now for an older player when you have an entire Age 36 season ahead of you is pretty ridiculous.

I love the guy and I'm not trying to flex when I say I've been a STH'er since '01 and have probably watched him play in person more than anyone here. Having seats for that long only proves that I'm stupid. He's brought me so much joy so I'm not mad at him or anything but, f*** man, this team has pretty much given us nothing to cheer for except for silver stick and retirement ceremonies for Brownie and Dewy ad Kopi for nine season now and this feels like more of the same shit: continuing to pay for 2012 and 2014.

And they are still too soft.

 

[Herby]

It tells us they like having sick players/centers in their organization??

Also, I'm not saying Kopitar is getting traded. I'm saying who knows what happens in the next couple years.....

Who knows, maybe as a 37 year old, Kopitar shifts to wing (See Claude Giroux in OTT). Maybe Dubois shifts to wing and Byfield moves to center. Maybe they do end up trading Danault in a couple years. Maybe Byfield does have another disappointing season and ends up getting traded.

Obviously yes, most likely Kopitar will stay at C, Dubois will play C, Danault will stay at C, and Byfield will stay on the wing for the foreseeable future. But we don't know that's 100% going to happen.

My post was directed at the people who are claiming "Bye bye Byfield" and "Well, now Byfield will never play center again" as if they know for sure that's the case because....... And I can't stress this enough......

We don't know how things are going to shake up over the next couple years so it's very silly to make claims about the future of the Kings roster/lineup as if they're facts.

So you’re whole ra ra “this doesn’t mean what you think it means” while calling out 2 people does very likely mean what most people think “but it’s not 100%”

Ok yeah, it’s not 100%. But why make a post singling out people for having this opinion when you are now telling us “yes, it’s very likely that is the case”

 

[DoktorJeep]

I don’t have to know what players will fill what positions to know the Kings will never sniff a championship with BLuc running things.

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

So you’re whole ra ra “this doesn’t mean what you think it means” while citing 2 people actually very likely does mean what most people think “but it’s not 100%”

Ok yeah, it’s not 100%. But why make a post singling out people for basing this opinion when you are now telling us “yes, it’s very likely that is the case”

Because it's a pet peeve of mine when people claim they know for sure what the future holds because, like I said, they don't.

Also, it's been wayyyyy more than 2 people - I just gave two examples.

Hope you have a good day Herby

 

[Herby]

This is exactly the shit I was talking about earlier today @Fishhead @Herby

As for hometown discounts, players should get their money and not be expected to take less. That being said and in the case of this deal:

- Why do it now? Do they expect Kopitar to take things up a notch this year so he'll cost even more if they wait to sign him?
- Bitching about $1MM is a pretty big deal when you look at this team's current goaltending situation and the genius plan to not roster a full lineup.

I've always known he'd have a contract here if he wanted it. Doing it now for an older player when you have an entire Age 36 season ahead of you is pretty ridiculous.

I love the guy and I'm not trying to flex when I say I've been a STH'er since '01 and have probably watched him play in person more than anyone here. Having seats for that long only proves that I'm stupid. He's brought me so much joy so I'm not mad at him or anything but, f*** man, this team has pretty much given us nothing to cheer for except for silver stick and retirement ceremonies for Brownie and Dewy ad Kopi for nine season now and this feels like more of the same shit: continuing to pay for 2012 and 2014.

And they are still too soft.

Like I said in my post in response to that tweet, it’s one of the stupidest comments I’ve ever heard. Kopitar has been more than fairly compensated as a player for the team, he was not underpaid for any of his seasons other than his ELC. This is just setting the table for these guys to cover themselves if Kopitar falls off a cliff. Guys like this and Hoven will play the

“They deserve it for past accomplishments”

Because it's a pet peeve of mine when people claim they know for sure what the future holds because, like I said, they don't.

Also, it's been wayyyyy more than 2 people - I just gave two examples.

Hope you have a good day Herby, I really do

Its been more than 2 people because the writing is clearly on the wall. They didn’t sign all these centers to huge money deals to not play them at C. They aren’t paying Kopitar $24m over the next 3 seasons to play left wing. Ditto Dubois.

This is yet another move by the management that tells us exactly how they feel about players they used very high picks on.

Also, you are on a sports forum, nothing is 100% certain.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I predict something is going to happen with Bjornfot. Spends the year in the AHL then the Kings sign Englund.

Either it becomes an issue re-signing him, he/his agent ask for a trade, or the Kings deal him or lose him on waivers this year.

 

[tigermask48]

I don’t have to know what players will fill what positions to know the Kings will never sniff a championship with BLuc running things.

I made a bet with a buddy after the PLD trade (no stakes, just a gentlemanly wager.) If this is what management, ownership thinks is the roster of a Cup contender they aren't winning a playoff series in the next 8 years.

As this off-season goes on, I think I made the right call.

 

[Kurrilino]

He does knot say they are a contender. He mentioned steps towards becoming a contender, he mentioned the impact of goaltending upon a contender. He then asks….

“So, what about next season? Will it be one in which Los Angeles progresses from a playoff qualifier to Stanley Cup contender?”

That is NOT saying they are a contender.

"Quote"

I would read that as they think the Kings are contenders.