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Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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Well, when there is smoke, there is fire Latest on Jakob Chychrun (prohockeyrumors.com). I actually won't mind losing Vilardi if he is the center piece of the package going back. He'll never be an elite or even average skater in a league where that trait may be the most important. Yes, he has a lot of skill and strength, but where do we deploy those? As many posters have pointed out, we do have a log jam up front. We'll definitely have to include our #1 but that looks like it will be in the second half of the first round and our pipeline of prospects is overflowing. Same thing with our right shot D prospects- we'll have to lose one of Grans, Faber or Spence. Finally, we'll need to include a forward prospect, likely Fagemo, Thomas, JAD or Madden. Arizona likely won't get a better package of futures from anyone else.
 
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piston said:
Well, when there is smoke, there is fire Latest on Jakob Chychrun (prohockeyrumors.com). I actually won't mind losing Vilardi if he is the center piece of the package going back. He'll never be an elite or even average skater in a league where that trait may be the most important. Yes, he has a lot of skill and strength, but where do we deploy those? As many posters have pointed out, we do have a log jam up front. We'll definitely have to include our #1 but that looks like it will be in the second half of the first round and our pipeline of prospects is overflowing. Same thing with our right shot D prospects- we'll have to lose one of Grans, Faber or Spence. Finally, we'll need to include a forward prospect, likely Fagemo, Thomas, JAD or Madden. Arizona likely won't get a better package of futures from anyone else.
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Vilardi, 1st, and JAD, done.....

I do not want them giving up Bjornfoot in this type of deal....I think he has too much upside....playing his role now at 20, is very solid.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Vilardi, 1st, and JAD, done.....

I do not want them giving up Bjornfoot in this type of deal....I think he has too much upside....playing his role now at 20, is very solid.
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But why? He isnt the player Edler is in any facet of the game, yet the Kings got Edler for cheap in free agency. It should be easier for a similar signing this summer with LA showing promise. Old players will want a chance to compete for a cup on an up and coming team like LA. Trading a bunch of prospects and the first just shortens LA's window like the trades between 2011-2015.
 
Kudelski37 said:
But why? He isnt the player Edler is in any facet of the game, yet the Kings got Edler for cheap in free agency. It should be easier for a similar signing this summer with LA showing promise. Old players will want a chance to compete for a cup on an up and coming team like LA. Trading a bunch of prospects and the first just shortens LA's window like the trades between 2011-2015.
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Chycrun is heads and tails better than Edler, and about a decade younger, on a team friendly contract,

Tell me....in the next three years...where is Vilardi and JAD slotting in?
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Chycrun is heads and tails better than Edler, and about a decade younger, on a team friendly contract,

Tell me....in the next three years...where is Vilardi and JAD slotting in?
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Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy/Clarke
Bjornfot - Durzi/Spence/Grans/Faber
Moverare/Walker as 7th dman?
Next year would be the best Kings defense since the Mitchell years.
 
Johnny Utah said:
What’s the scouting report of Jakob Chychrun? Been watching him for years but never really noticed him. Looks like he’s jacked and in great shape but doesn’t really hit or fight? Weird when you are that strong.

My fear is the Kings include Durzi or Bjornfot in the deal and they end up turning out just as good as Chychrun.

I would imagine the Yotes will want Vilardi, one of Durzi, Bjornfot, Faber and a 1st.
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Durzi is already close to Chychrun offensively right now. He's not the same level but the gap isn't that big.

I don't think the fit is there, but the team might feel differently. The 1st is going to be there, but if they want one of Bjornfot or Durzi then I would rather them replace Vilardi with Kupari or Fagemo. The upside of any deal for Chychrun is he's on a pretty good salary and he might take the next step without the pressure of being a franchise savior.

What we are doing here seems to be working, I would be hesitant to alter it too much. Yet, we have a ton of prospects who are promising. Really tough decision.
 
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Durzi is already close to Chychrun offensively right now. He's not the same level but the gap isn't that big.

I don't think the fit is there, but the team might feel differently. The 1st is going to be there, but if they want one of Bjornfot or Durzi then I would rather them replace Vilardi with Kupari or Fagemo. The upside of any deal for Chychrun is he's on a pretty good salary and he might take the next step without the pressure of being a franchise savior.

What we are doing here seems to be working, I would be hesitant to alter it too much. Yet, we have a ton of prospects who are promising. Really tough decision.
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The Kings wouldnt trade guys from their starting roster besides Maatta and maybe AA. Bjornfot would just create another hole. Durzi isnt going anywhere until Spence Grans or Faber pry his spot from him which will be tough.
I think its more like Vilardi, Kupari/Andersson/JAD/Fagemo, 1st rounder and if they need bodies signed for next season can add Wagner Grundstrom Strand (rfa?) or Walker.
 
Fishhead said:
Durzi is already close to Chychrun offensively right now. He's not the same level but the gap isn't that big.

I don't think the fit is there, but the team might feel differently. The 1st is going to be there, but if they want one of Bjornfot or Durzi then I would rather them replace Vilardi with Kupari or Fagemo. The upside of any deal for Chychrun is he's on a pretty good salary and he might take the next step without the pressure of being a franchise savior.

What we are doing here seems to be working, I would be hesitant to alter it too much. Yet, we have a ton of prospects who are promising. Really tough decision.
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Yeah I don't see the immediate need to trade for Chychrun. Durzi currently has more points than him in less games. Just feel like we're gonna give up a lot for a guy who is good, but overrated based off an outlier season that has the asterisk of playing all his games against a weak division.
 
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Correct me if I’m wrong on this but didn’t the Athletic print that the Kings would need to part with Vilardi, Bjornfot, Moore and a 1st.. and everyone in here said they’d do that in a heartbeat but the cryotes wouldn’t accept it because it wasn’t enough.. what’s everyone’s thoughts on that now???
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Pass for me.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
For the people that go, OMG we can't trade Vilardi....where do you see him slotting in?

Kempe, Byfield, Fagemo
Turcotte, Danault, Kaliyev

Just spit balling possible top six lineups, that's without Chromiak or other type prospects coming in,

So where do you slot Vilardi in?
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Penciling in Fagemo, and questioning a spot for Vilardi?

Sure.

Chychrun is a good player. He is not worth the rumored asking price. If we are talking about a prospect like Kupari or A-D, sure, but the talks of a Turcotte or Vilardi asking price is just absurd.
 
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With prospect capital comes problems/the need for decisions:

A) They aren't all gonna work out.
B) If they are so fortunate that a good portion do, they probably still don't have enough spots.

So whether it's for Chychrun, or someone else, they're gonna start moving guys.
 
At this point I might be more open to trading Turcotte vs Vilardi, but either as a center piece makes sense.
 
I’m ok trading guys and having it hurt. But for the right guy in return. For me, I just don’t think JC is all that great. So he’s not “that guy” for which I’m willing to take losing quality/quantity talent.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Chycrun is heads and tails better than Edler, and about a decade younger, on a team friendly contract,

Tell me....in the next three years...where is Vilardi and JAD slotting in?
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Chychrun isn't better. He puts up less points per game. He is less physical and is merely adequate defensively. These qualities are easy to find in free agency in older free agents for short, cheap deals every off-season. There is zero reason to trade prospects for that. Trade them for future picks to have depth when some depth guys need raises in a couple of years. Trade them for a young goalie. Trade a current player to make room for a prospect. There are better options than drunken spending on a very average player whose best feature is he doesn't make too much for a guy that has played 6 seasons in the NHL.
 
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KopitarFAN said:
With prospect capital comes problems/the need for decisions:

A) They aren't all gonna work out.
B) If they are so fortunate that a good portion do, they probably still don't have enough spots.

So whether it's for Chychrun, or someone else, they're gonna start moving guys.
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Well, yes, that's a given. The question is when is the right time to do that?

Should they have traded Byfield when Vilardi scored 7 points in his first 10 games, because there wouldn't be enough room for a top-end center? Should they have traded Durzi when Clague looked better at the NHL than the AHL, and they just spent a high pick on Clarke?

Most of the responses not wanting to trade for Chychrun is typically a mix of:
- He's not worth the asking price/it's questionable which version of Chychrun is the "real" one, given the completely different seasons
- With the Kings trying to get a younger core to step up and take ownership, would trading a prospect this season be "too early"?
 
Trash Panda said:
Let’s go over cup winners for the last decade and see how many of them had a skater who scored 40 goals that season.

2011- Boston: none
2012- LA: none
2013- Chicago: none
2014- LA: none
2015- Chicago: none
2016- Pittsburgh: none
2017- Pittsburgh: Crosby with 44
2018- Washington: Ovechkin with 49
2019- St. Louis: None
2020- Tampa: None
2021- Tampa: None


This isn’t to say that successful teams don’t have players capable of scoring 40-50 goals on them, but it is far from being the dictating factor for success that some would make it be.

Teams win championships, and flashy style of goal scoring in particular dries up in the playoffs where things tighten up.

You need skill, but you need a cohesive team much more so.
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Never once have I said it's a dictating factor but you're not new here so let's not act like the board isn't clamouring for a goalscoring threat. We may have some down in the line in Kaliyev, Byfield, Fagemo, Chromiak, etc but right now our best goalscorers are Kempe and Arvidsson. I lie both but neither compares to the Point's, Kucherov's, Pastarnak's, Tarasenko's etc that are part of teams making the cup finals. We could use a guy of Laine's ilk arguably more than anything else. We're top 10 in defense and bottom ten in offense and PP for a reason.

And I'd argue we don't win the cup in 2014 without Gaborik, which is the closest thing to a 40 goal threat guy we've had since Ziggy.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
If I'm moving Vilardi it's for Sergachev and Sergachev only.

If they are going after Chychrun than the most I'd start with is Kupari.

Kupari + JAD + Grans + 1st (top3 protection)
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I just don't see Tampa ever shopping Sergy. They'll move McDonagh/Killorn/Palat first.
 
King'sPawn said:
Well, yes, that's a given. The question is when is the right time to do that?

Should they have traded Byfield when Vilardi scored 7 points in his first 10 games, because there wouldn't be enough room for a top-end center? Should they have traded Durzi when Clague looked better at the NHL than the AHL, and they just spent a high pick on Clarke?

Most of the responses not wanting to trade for Chychrun is typically a mix of:
- He's not worth the asking price/it's questionable which version of Chychrun is the "real" one, given the completely different seasons
- With the Kings trying to get a younger core to step up and take ownership, would trading a prospect this season be "too early"?
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Tbh, their is a case to be made for trading Durzi (sell high), now or this summer, given the surplus of RHD, 2 of which we know they think much higher of in Clarke & Faber.
 
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