Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Fishhead]

I'd still rather be patient than trade for JC. If the Flyers are floundering, Sanheim would be my target, he is exactly the kind of LD we need. They could easily extend him if they want to (I think they will), with JVR coming off the books, but if they choose not for whatever reason I'd offer quite the package. The Flyers aren't exactly known for their patience. This is assuming the Kings would be able to arrange something with an extension before hand.

 

[Sol]

If we trade for a LD I want a guy the opposition fans will hate and consider to be a dirty player. We need to round out the D in terms of balance. Clarke emerging gives us an offensive option and if he sticks an undeniable ’x-factor’ on the blue line. Edler is his natural partner on the current roster but at some point we are going to want someone with genuine grit and physicality alongside him.

Edler is on his last legs. He’s not gonna be here after this season. Planning anything with him in mind is a waste of time.

 

[Statto]

The way I see it, the Kings have an organizational weakness at LHD and with offense from the blue line. chychrun fills both of those holes, is young and is on a great contract. The Kings also have a surplus of forward prospects, to the point where we are going to lose some of them sooner rather than later. Currently Iafallo, Fiala, Danault, Arrvy, Kempe and Kopitar are all locked up for the next two seasons and are making 4+ million. That leaves 6 forward spots to Moore, Andersson, Byfield, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Grundstrom, Lizotte, Lemeiux, Thomas, JAD, Vilardi, Fagemo, Madden, Pinelli and Helenius.

I am not convinced he’s the right type of player, especially with Clarke being very, very close (obviously need to see him in real games). I’d much prefer a physical player but I do see the argument for JC. That’s before considering his injury history and his average production being heavily skewed by a season that is a clear outlier.

IF you do it now I think you have to include Iaffalo in any deal due to the cap and I’m ok with including a couple of prospects. JAD and Madden would be the ones I’d add because neither Vilardi or Turcotte have much value anyway. Nobody is giving us anything for Turcotte until he’s proven to be over the concussions. We have to include a 1st and ideally Walker to give us cap flexibility at the a TDL. Two B prospects, two roster players and a first. I’m not even sure he’s worth the 1st tbh, but a 2nd definitely isn’t getting it done.

A major justification/benefit in doing this deal now would be to free up a forward spot for someone like Vilardi or Fagemo, without hurting our ability to make future moves by giving up high upside assets. I’m personally not letting Vilardi go because we’d never get value and he still has untapped upside, even if the odds on seeing it are reducing. In my view Blake can afford to wait and see how the season progresses, in particular for Clarke but also for QB and AK. Their success with determine if they can include Iafallo (or even Arvidsson) in any deal as there will ultimately need to be turnover up front and those guys are the most obvious candidates. If Clarke explodes (or simply just settles quickly) giving up major assets now for JC would look reckless.

I‘m also reluctant on giving up the 1st because this is a boom/bust trade IMO. I don’t think what we are hoping he‘d bring is even close to being a given. When you give up major assets you need to be very confident in what you are getting back, I just don’t see how you can be confident in this guy. We are all confident that the Fiala trade is a good one, with exact production predictions the only discussion point. With JC, I think there is a very mixed feeling on it which indicates it’s a risky play. He could just as easily bomb as be a raving success IMO. If you give up what it’ll take to get JC, you need the level of confidence that we had in the Fiala trade.

 

[Statto]

Edler is on his last legs. He’s not gonna be here after this season. Planning anything with him in mind is a waste of time.

They clearly are planning on him being around next year because of the structure of his contract - he’s cheap this year because of bonus money they can defer to the 2nd year (to help with the cap). As I said though…. at some point they will need an upgrade and he’ll move to the #7 role.

 

[Schmooley]

They clearly are planning on him being around next year because of the structure of his contract - he’s cheap this year because of bonus money they can defer to the 2nd year (to help with the cap). As I said though…. at some point they will need an upgrade and he’ll move to the #7 role.

Edler only signed for this season and not next. What do you mean when you say the 2nd year?

 

[Statto]

Edler only signed for this season and not next. What do you mean when you say the 2nd year?

You are correct, I’ve had a brain fart. I misremembered a podcast that explained that they’ve included bonuses in his contract that can be deferred to next years cap to keep his AAV down. It’s 1am… I should be asleep as I got up at 6am

Edit: It was ATKM (I think ).

 

[Docgonzo]

Edler is basically the O’Donnell version for the bottom pairing rookie/young player. Not here for the long haul but able to teach youngsters.

 

[Cianide]

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Kings have doughty, Spence and durzi. Why would they need chychrun?

 

[Sparky206]

The RHD kid from the Rangers got a 1st and hes done nothing, I think some might underestimate how valuable a Durzi could be on the trade market. Better option would be to trade a RHD for futures then package up those futures with some of our own for JC

 

[crassbonanza]

What's the purpose exactly?

I am not convinced he’s the right type of player, especially with Clarke being very, very close (obviously need to see him in real games). I’d much prefer a physical player but I do see the argument for JC. That’s before considering his injury history and his average production being heavily skewed by a season that is a clear outlier.

I would absolutely love a physical blue liner that can score goals, but I just don't know where you are going to find one. I think offense is still the main issue with this roster and we have a clear spot to upgrade that on our blue line.

IF you do it now I think you have to include Iaffalo in any deal due to the cap and I’m ok with including a couple of prospects. JAD and Madden would be the ones I’d add because neither Vilardi or Turcotte have much value anyway. Nobody is giving us anything for Turcotte until he’s proven to be over the concussions. We have to include a 1st and ideally Walker to give us cap flexibility at the a TDL. Two B prospects, two roster players and a first. I’m not even sure he’s worth the 1st tbh, but a 2nd definitely isn’t getting it done.

That trade is absolutely worth a 1st round pick, neither of those prospects are very valuable and JAD may even end up on waivers this year. You would basically be turning Sean Walker into Chychrun and 2 million in cap space for a 1st round pick, I don't know anyone who wouldn't make that trade.

Their success with determine if they can include Iafallo (or even Arvidsson) in any deal as there will ultimately need to be turnover up front and those guys are the most obvious candidates. If Clarke explodes (or simply just settles quickly) giving up major assets now for JC would look reckless.

If Clarke explodes, then the Kings would have 3 defensemen on the roster capable of putting up points, I think that would be an amazing thing.

I‘m also reluctant on giving up the 1st because this is a boom/bust trade IMO. I don’t think what we are hoping he‘d bring is even close to being a given. When you give up major assets you need to be very confident in what you are getting back, I just don’t see how you can be confident in this guy. We are all confident that the Fiala trade is a good one, with exact production predictions the only discussion point. With JC, I think there is a very mixed feeling on it which indicates it’s a risky play. He could just as easily bomb as be a raving success IMO. If you give up what it’ll take to get JC, you need the level of confidence that we had in the Fiala trade.

It's weird that we are so confident in Fiala, but not confident in Chychrun. Fiala has only finished a full season once and has only been over a ppg 1 season. Now, am I personally excited for Fiala, but couldn't some of the same arguments be made about him? The two season before last season, Chychrun actually played more games than Fiala.

 

[kingsfan28]

Random contract question, do performance bonuses count against the cap? Like for every 10 goals he makes an extra 100k, that kind of thing.

 

[johnjm22]

I would absolutely love a physical blue liner that can score goals, but I just don't know where you are going to find one. I think offense is still the main issue with this roster and we have a clear spot to upgrade that on our blue line.

I mean Chychrun is know as a relatively physical defensemen.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Kings have doughty, Spence and durzi. Why would they need chychrun?

Because he fills a massive hole on the left side

 

[redcard]

Random contract question, do performance bonuses count against the cap? Like for every 10 goals he makes an extra 100k, that kind of thing.

Yes, but you can exceed the cap by the bonuses and have them count against the cap next year. Only ELCs and over 35 contracts can have performance bonuses.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

You don't remember everyone calling to trade Kopitar a year after his best season ever?

Just a bit of tongue in cheek there bud,....and I can absolutely guarantee you there will be people that want to trade Clarke rather than pay him at the end of his ELC.......because....video games.

You should build strawmen professionally.

 

[KingsFan7824]

It's weird that we are so confident in Fiala, but not confident in Chychrun. Fiala has only finished a full season once and has only been over a ppg 1 season. Now, am I personally excited for Fiala, but couldn't some of the same arguments be made about him? The two season before last season, Chychrun actually played more games than Fiala.

14-15, split time between Sweden(after looking it up, on a team with our old friend Jere Karalahti), the AHL, and NHL. 20 of 55 games in Swe, 33 of 76 games in the AHL, and then 1 with Nas.
15-16, 71GP between the AHL and NHL
16-17, 76GP between the NHL and AHL
17-18, 80GP
18-19, 83GP between Nas and Min
19-20, 64 of 69GP
20-21, 50 of 56GP
21-22, 82GP

Those are all essentially full seasons. If you miss less than 10 games in a year, and that could be a flu, sprained ankle, personal reasons, whatever, that's a full year.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You should build strawmen professionally.

Would that be the same kind of profession that you guys construct teams from, Video games?

I wasn't making a serious argument for f*** sake, it was tongue in cheek, again pointing fun at the f***ing morons who think that professional teams trade STAR players a year after winning championships, just for the hell of it....

 

[YP44]

I wouldn't trade our #1 pick unless in March the team looks like we can make a deep playoff run. We need a goalie of the future badly.

if LA does deal it's first it has to be conditional as long as it is not top 5 or some shit

 

[KingsOfCali25]

If the Kings are going for Chychrun then Iafallo has to go the other way. The Kings are too close to the cap to pull it off. So let's say the given is Iafallo + conditional 1st + what? It's a hard trade to make because what is Iafallo's value. Is he a valuable asset or more of a cap dump? Maybe you run Iafallo + Bjornfot + JAD/Thomas + 1st for Chychrun.

But my hope would be they go after/offersheet Hague from Vegas. 2 years @ 2 million (lose 3rd round pick).

Anderson--Doughty
Chychrun--Roy
Hague--Clarke/Spence
Edler

**Walker traded to Buffalo**

 

[crassbonanza]

if LA does deal it's first it has to be conditional as long as it is not top 5 or some shit

Yeah, I would definitely top 5 protect any 1rst round draft pick this season, too much star potential in this draft to risk potentially missing out.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Would that be the same kind of profession that you guys construct teams from, Video games?

I wasn't making a serious argument for f*** sake, it was tongue in cheek, again pointing fun at the f***ing morons who think that professional teams trade STAR players a year after winning championships, just for the hell of it....

But you didn’t poke fun at that. You poked fun at people trading potential star players (Clarke) coming off their ELCs. No one on this board advocated for trading 21 year old star Kopitar coming off his ELC. Literally no one.

If you’re going to be “facetious,” at least compare apples to apples, not apples to fried chicken.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

But you didn’t poke fun at that. You poked fun at people trading potential star players (Clarke) coming off their ELCs. No one on this board advocated for trading 21 year old star Kopitar coming off his ELC. Literally no one.

If you’re going to be “facetious,” at least compare apples to apples, not apples to fried chicken.

Again..tongue in cheek.....for f*** sake......and again, I guarantee you, there will be people saying we should trade Clarke instead of givinging him 8 for 8 or more etc.....

 

[kilowatt]

Again..tongue in cheek.....for f*** sake......and again, I guarantee you, there will be people saying we should trade Clarke instead of givinging him 8 for 8 or more etc.....

If Clarke earns an 8x8 contract no one’s going to be clamoring to move him. You’re literally making shit up to be offended about

 

[Trash Panda]

Phantom arguments with smooth-brains whose posts I can’t read, is rapidly becoming one of my favorite parts of this board.

 

[Herby]

Would that be the same kind of profession that you guys construct teams from, Video games?

I wasn't making a serious argument for f*** sake, it was tongue in cheek, again pointing fun at the f***ing morons who think that professional teams trade STAR players a year after winning championships, just for the hell of it....

But nothing in your original reply said that. Like Axel’s comments about me calling Byfield a bust despite me literally never coming close to saying anything close to that, you made a statement about people wanting to trade Clarke should be developminto a star during his ELC with not a shred of evidence to back up that people would have those views.

You seem to be drawing from some people wanting Kopitar moved at 29 rather than giving him a long-term contract. Do you honesty not see the difference between 29 and 22? I don’t agree with those people about Kopitar but there was some validity to concerns over signing a retirement contract for a player nearing 30 with a ton of mileage.

We have historical evidence on this forum to how fans would react to signing a 21/22 year old star coming off an ELC. Kopitar and Doughty were in those spots and I can guarantee you no one wanted either one traded. Were there some grumpy old men like my buddy @KINGS17 who strongly believed in shorter “bridge” contracts for everyone? Yes. But that is not wanting players traded at 21.

I agree sometimes sarcasm can be tough to pick up on an Internet forum, but it sure seems that no one picked up any in your original reply and instead sensed it was you trying to build a massive straw man by saying people would want Clarke traded. And your replies since then which have basically been “well It was tongue in cheek or facetious” followed up by “but I’m sure there would be a lot who would want him traded” doesn’t lend itself to you kidding.

We should be able to debate the opinions people have, whether we agree or disagree. But this forum (and any forum) loses a lot when people are basically lying about what people are actually saying. And that has unfortunately been the case here a bit recently.