Just poking the bear at this point, but regarding the bold.......after that is when we trade him right? According to some....not necessarily you
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Just poking the bear at this point, but regarding the bold.......after that is when we trade him right? According to some....not necessarily you
I'm not sure I follow your logic, wouldn't it be easier to rack up points on a high scoring team? I'm just not sure how you can discount a defenseman scoring goals because his team is bad, that seems to be overthinking it.
I was excited about LA maybe getting Chycrhun a year ago. Now I think the crazy year he had is more the one off, and his injuries will continue to pile up. I hope LA is out on him, especially and what the cost to get him will be.
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I only want Chychrun if Crouse is part of the return.
Spence scored 2 goals and 8 points in 24 games last year, while Clarke has yet to play an NHL game. They really didn't have plenty of offense from the blue line last season(or in general for that matter), so I don't think we should be acting like a defenseman who can actually score is some sort of luxury.
Chychrun has a 4.6m cap hit. Compare that to Iafallo at 4m, Arrvidson at 4.25m and Roy at 3.15m. His contract is actually one of the reasons why he is so valuable.
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Chychrun had 3x the even strength goals (6 vs 2) as Spence in 2x games played while having 6x the cap hit. Chychrun played almost 4 minutes more per game than Spence. Spence with similar toi and games was on pace for about 4.5 even strength goals. Is Chychrun worth a first + prospects + 4 million in additional cap space for 1 or 2 extra even strength goals from the defense? I don't think Chychrun is that valuable.
Adding Doughty and possibly Clarke should fix the offense from defense without trading assets.
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I would really like to get Nic Hague from Vegas. Wonder if there is way to smuggle him out of there!
I agree that I like his contract, but having a value add contract does not actually produce much value on IR.
Chychrun has the 2nd most even strength goals among defensemen in the entire league over the past 3 seasons. Spence has 2 career goals. I don't know how you are even making this comparison right now.
I agree that having Doughty is critical, he was the only defenseman on the team to score more than 3 goals last season, but he is not going to fix the offense alone. I am super high on Clarke, but he is absolutely an unknown.
Choralone
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I like the model we had going in the cup years: puck-moving shooter on the right, and physical, defense-first guy on the left.
Yes, we have assets, but we don't have to throw them at Chychrun. He's a player that everyone knows is available and has been linked to the Kings in the media, but I hope (and believe) Blake is putting in a little more work to find someone less trumpeted on the left who is a better option and fit.
Yes, we have assets, but we don't have to throw them at Chychrun. He's a player that everyone knows is available and has been linked to the Kings in the media, but I hope (and believe) Blake is putting in a little more work to find someone less trumpeted on the left who is a better option and fit.
I agree, if they move JC then I also expect them to move Ghost whom Grans would replace.. this gives them two solid offensive Dmen on cheap contracts, a ‘24 1st rd and whatever salary we send… I’m not sure if they’d want Walker but that would solidify their defense and give them another trade piece should Walker return near his norm
More than a third (9/26) of those even strength goals came against the Sharks and Ducks in the short spring of 21 season. I really think he is a product of bad competition.
We just have to agree to disagree.
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I have no problem trading the proposed guys & assets mentioned. It's just that JC is not the guy you do it for. The injury issues and made-of-glass comments are real. Some other offensive LHD with size -- awesome. Better yet, simply a LHD with size/grit since i expect more offense from our D with DD back, Clarke eventually, etc.
Honestly, I'd rather utilize that 2023 1st round pick (among other prime assets we have) in a trade for a top goalie prospect in the 20-24 year old range to take over in a couple years.
Honestly, I'd rather utilize that 2023 1st round pick (among other prime assets we have) in a trade for a top goalie prospect in the 20-24 year old range to take over in a couple years.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I don't really get where you are coming from with this comment.
Who here would advocate trading trading a 21 year old star player?
I was here on this forum for Kopitar and Doughty’s rise and I can guarantee you no one wanted them traded after their ELC’s.
I am the person who thinks that the long-term deals to stars coming off their ELC's is great for both the players and the teams. I would love for the Kings to hand out deals like the ones given to guys like Suzuki and Norris. But first you need to develop guys into stars on their ELC's, that has been a huge issue for the Kings.
Are you referencing people wanting to trade Turcotte and Vilardi now? Well, we are talking about Clarke hypothetically being a star player after his ELC. Vilardi took a paycut after spending half his final ELC season in the minors. Turcotte has played 8 NHL games. The situations are not really the same.
Very good - Doughty is still a Top 8-12 d-man in the league. Chychrun adds a goal-scoring element they haven't had in a really long time to a D core that just doesn't have finishers, Clarke has star potential. Roy and Anderson are two excellent suppressors of offense. And depending on who goes the other way you still have guys like Spence, Bjornfot and Grans as injury replacements in the minors.
Balanced - Every player is playing their natural side.
Young - The D is bookended by an older guy in DD and an ancient one in Edler. But between them you have a 23 year old, a 24 year old, a 27 year old and a 19 year old. With the likely 7-8-9 guys being 21, 21 and 20.
Cap friendly - Even with Doughty's 10m hit this is still a very cap friendly D unit for the next few years. The Kings would have Chychrun, Clarke, Roy and Anderson under contract for this season for under $10m.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Some issues though.
1. There just isn't always guys available for trade.
2. The injury thing lowers the asking price and makes the gamble worthy. If JC were healthy there is no way the Kings are getting him with the proposals here that lack any kind of top end player going to Arizona.
3. The cap situation. If a player like that, with JC's skill-set who is more durable were to come available it's extremely unlikely he carries a $4.6 mill cap hit.
4. Arizona, is a unique situation as always. If a different team comes along with a player to trade it is unlikely that team would be open to taking on contracts like Walkers and Iafallo's.
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At this point I’m not as interested in JC as I was a year or 2 ago. His durability is just too big a question to back up the brinks truck for the guy. Especially given what’s come forward from our developing D corp.
We still need a few significant moves to have a better rounded competitive roster. We need to get bigger tougher up front especially with Clark about to make the team. And yeah we need a strong infusion to move our assets from the RD to the LD, but I’m thinking a move to get the next tier down from JC would be just as good IMO. We don’t have to have the super star offensive LD in JC but we do need a very strong addition there and we should be ready to pay the price to get that. But teams know what they have and if they’re competing now they have no motivation to move them either so it’s really going to come down to timing and injuries to teams competing who might open up later to move a move. Unless we want to move a Byfield or Clark to blow their sox off, which none of us want to see.
We still need a few significant moves to have a better rounded competitive roster. We need to get bigger tougher up front especially with Clark about to make the team. And yeah we need a strong infusion to move our assets from the RD to the LD, but I’m thinking a move to get the next tier down from JC would be just as good IMO. We don’t have to have the super star offensive LD in JC but we do need a very strong addition there and we should be ready to pay the price to get that. But teams know what they have and if they’re competing now they have no motivation to move them either so it’s really going to come down to timing and injuries to teams competing who might open up later to move a move. Unless we want to move a Byfield or Clark to blow their sox off, which none of us want to see.
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
What does this even mean, exactly? Facetious involves humor and sarcasm, there isn't any indication of that in your post.
This is like Axl claiming I called QB a bust (and not being able to provide any proof despite an offer of 2 free Kings tickets). It's not being facetious, because it's not funny in any way. It is just saying that people said things that they never have, it's a bad look, you shouldn't go down the Axl path. We may disagree on hockey related things but I don't put you on that level.
You are implying that myself and others would want to trade Clarke if he were to be a star player after his ELC ended, and what exactly are you basing it off of? You have 20+ years of posts by me on this forum, and I never have said anything like that about any players.
And I don't remember anyone else saying to trade 21 year old star players.
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I am far more concerned with the Kings inability to win battles behind their own net than offense from the blueline.
This is a mediocre veteran team loaded with outstanding potential, especially from the point. They aren't really going to contend until Byfield puts Kopitar or Danault on the third line, if that happens at all. They aren't going to contend until Anderson turns into a 25 minute nullifying beast and Clarke runs the powerplay - if at all.
There is a whole lot of promise there, but folks keep forgetting that there are two very different things happening within this organization and until they coalesce, if at all, nothing much is going to happen.
This is a mediocre veteran team loaded with outstanding potential, especially from the point. They aren't really going to contend until Byfield puts Kopitar or Danault on the third line, if that happens at all. They aren't going to contend until Anderson turns into a 25 minute nullifying beast and Clarke runs the powerplay - if at all.
There is a whole lot of promise there, but folks keep forgetting that there are two very different things happening within this organization and until they coalesce, if at all, nothing much is going to happen.
Steve Zissou
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Vegas is still dicking him around right now. As of 3 days ago he's been skating with Kitchener Rangers.
Would love Hague on the back end to bring some physicality to this team.
You don't remember everyone calling to trade Kopitar a year after his best season ever?
Just a bit of tongue in cheek there bud,....and I can absolutely guarantee you there will be people that want to trade Clarke rather than pay him at the end of his ELC.......because....video games.
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