Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[FSL KINGS]

Whatever happens, I don’t think the Kings ever get a #1 overall pick.

Mathews*

 

[KINGS17]

In these discussions I think a lot of people don't consider the business side. Blake and Luc took over because they convinced AEG that the Kings were still a contender and that Sutter/Lombardi were the ones holding the team back. They said as much in their introductory press conference. There is no way that Kopitar is moved in 2017-18 after they made those promises and he was definitely not going to be moved in 2018-19 after signing Kovalchuk in the offseason. 2019-20 was probably the first year he could have been moved, as that was the first real year they decided to not try to contend, with Muzzin and Toffoli traded at the deadline. It seems pretty clear that Blake and Luc convinced AEG that the team was only in need of a quick re-tool as there basically was only a season and a half between the Kings committing to a rebuild and acquiring a pair of 28 year old forwards at a premium. Convincing ownership to move on from the very players you were convinced were contenders just a couple seasons prior does not seem like it would go over well. Blake and Luc are basically tied to Kopitar and Doughty.

I am well aware of what BLuc said at their introductory press conference. Reason #1 why Robitaille should be fired.

 

[johnjm22]

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Dreger:
Senators, Leafs, Oilers, Kings, Blues, Jackets Interested

Coyotes may have softened on their expected return.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

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Dreger:
Senators, Leafs, Oilers, Kings, Blues, Jackets Interested

Coyotes may have softened on their expected return.

I’d have to think the emergence of Clarke would be a deterrent to the idea of the Kings acquiring Chych.

 

[johnjm22]

I’d have think the emergence of Clarke would be a deterrent to the idea of the Kings acquiring Chych.

I would think it's the opposite.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I would think it's the opposite.

Yah? Why

 

[johnjm22]

Yah? Why

Because Clarke is another RHD. So that increases the log jam on the right side. If Clarke is good, that makes one of Durzi/Spence/Grans more expendable.

Chychrun is a left shooting D.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Because Clarke is another RHD. So that increases the log jam on the right side. If Clarke is good, that makes one of Durzi/Spence/Grans more expendable.

Chychrun is a left shooting D.

Ok, but what kind of cap would be needed to move out to get him?

 

[johnjm22]

1st
Turcotte
Durzi
Walker (cap dump)

People may not like it, but that's the kind of package it would take.



Anderson-Doughty
Chychrun-Roy
Edler-Clarke

Everyone on their correct side. One offensive guy on each pair, one defensive guy on each pair. Plus the farm still has D depth (Bjornfot, Spence, Grans).

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

1st
Turcotte
Durzi
Walker (cap dump)

People may not like it, but that's the kind of package it would take.



Anderson-Doughty
Chychrun-Roy
Edler-Clarke

Everyone on their correct side. One offensive guy on each pair, one defensive guy on each pair. Plus the farm still has D depth (Bjornfot, Spence, Grans).

Interesting, but I don’t like it — don’t think we need it.

(Plus, I’m rooting for Turc — still believe the kid will be a stud for us)

 

[KingLB]

Honest question what value does JC offer that Durzi doesn’t already at significant reduced cost, let alone the assets. (Besides being left handed)

 

[FSL KINGS]

Ok, but what kind of cap would be needed to move out to get him?

Chychrun makes 4.6.
Walker is at 2.65. You could scratch by with no buffer swapping out Durzi for Bjorn or Lizotte for JAD. Run a short roster all year.

More likely cash needs to be retained on Chychrun or an Iafallo 4, Roy 3.15, Cal 5 Needs go out.

Edit: I'd rather keep this year's 1st & Turcotte, Vilardi & guys on roster at this point. Just go for a Sanheim or Soucy next summer.

 

[Herby]

I would think it's the opposite.

Agreed. And as I mentioned so many times before, it’s the benefit of having potential impact players on ELC’s, something the Kings haven’t had in awhile. If Clarke is pretty good this year, even better next year and a star in his third year while making under a mill it’s just massive advantage.

Something like Iafallo, Durzi, 2023 1st and a prospect


Your defense is

1. Doughty
2. JC
3. Roy
4. Anderson
5. Clarke
6. Walker (wish he would be traded to open up a spot for TB)
7. Edler

That is a pretty strong defense with a booming PP shooter which addresses a huge area of weakness that exists on the roster.

Once again, everyone against this still minimizes the importance of having a great PP. Having DD and JC on the points would be nice.

 

[johnjm22]

More likely cash needs to be retained on Chychrun or an Iafallo 4, Roy 3.15, Cal 5 Needs go out.

That wouldn't be necessary at all. If Durzi and Walker are included in the deal, Kings have the cap space with no issues.

 

[Schmooley]

Chychrun makes 4.6.
Walker is at 2.65. You could scratch by with no buffer swapping out Durzi for Bjorn or Lizotte for JAD. Run a short roster all year.

More likely cash needs to be retained on Chychrun or an Iafallo 4, Roy 3.15, Cal 5 Needs go out.

If they are bullish on giving up Iaffalo/Roy maybe they could include Peterson and Vejmelka in a deal. Walker may have to be included also. They can make it work but it may sting a bit for both sides.

 

[Herby]

Honest question what value does JC offer that Durzi doesn’t already at significant reduced cost, let alone the assets. (Besides being left handed)

The injuries are a concern. But this is a guy who has proven in the past that he is one of the best d-man shooters of the puck in the entire league. You put this guy on the #1 PP unit and put him on a pairing with a strong defensive guy like Roy and it’s an ideal 2nd pairing.

There is risk involved for sure, but you really aren’t giving up anything massive unless the 2023 season went off the rails and the pick was high like the EK trade (that’s so unlikely).

Eventually there comes a time where the dice has to be rolled and you have to add players with high potential at the expense of your huge collection of middling players and prospects.

 

[FSL KINGS]

That wouldn't be necessary at all. If Durzi and Walker are included in the deal, Kings have the cap space with no issues.

With Chychrun in, Durzi & Roy out King's are at 114,999 cap space with a 23 man roster. It is really tight & probably results in running a short roster once injuries pop.

If they are bullish on giving up Iaffalo/Roy maybe they could include Peterson and Vejmelka in a deal. Walker may have to be included also. They can make it work but it may sting a bit for both sides.

Cal for Vejmelka would be great.

 

[lumbergh]

With Chychrun in, Durzi & Roy out King's are at 114,999 cap space with a 23 man roster. It is really tight & probably results in running a short roster once injuries pop.

Cal for Vejmelka would be great.

I think Roy is a better defenseman than Chychrun.

 

[crassbonanza]

Honest question what value does JC offer that Durzi doesn’t already at significant reduced cost, let alone the assets. (Besides being left handed)

Chychrun had 7 goals in 47 games last season and had 18 and 12 the two seasons prior. This year Doughty led the blue line with 7 goals, with Durzi and Edler following with 3 goals a piece. The Kings blue line sorely lacks offense outside of Doughty, he led the blue line in scoring despite only playing 39 games. Mikey Anderson, who we are slotting in on the top pair had 8 points in 57 games.

 

[KingLB]

The injuries are a concern. But this is a guy who has proven in the past that he is one of the best d-man shooters of the puck in the entire league. You put this guy on the #1 PP unit and put him on a pairing with a strong defensive guy like Roy and it’s an ideal 2nd pairing.

There is risk involved for sure, but you really aren’t giving up anything massive unless the 2023 season went off the rails and the pick was high like the EK trade (that’s so unlikely).

Eventually there comes a time where the dice has to be rolled and you have to add players with high potential at the expense of your huge collection of middling players and prospects.

Except, we know he won’t be on PP one? Doughty is playing there, and when given the opportunity, Durzi numbers were not far off what JC produces let alone it wasn’t sporadic like his time is.

I agree with high potential and I agree it’s time. But seems like forward is where the Kings need to invest unfortunately. If you could get another Fiala level player or close to it, that is the move for me. (Or a goalie next summer if Cal proves to not be it)

 

[kingsfan28]

I am well aware of what BLuc said at their introductory press conference. Reason #1 why Robitaille should be fired.

Refresh my memory...

 

[KingLB]

Chychrun had 7 goals in 47 games last season and had 18 and 12 the two seasons prior. This year Doughty led the blue line with 7 goals, with Durzi and Edler following with 3 goals a piece. The Kings blue line sorely lacks offense outside of Doughty, he led the blue line in scoring despite only playing 39 games. Mikey Anderson, who we are slotting in on the top pair had 8 points in 57 games.

Huh? Durzi’s rookie season, was literally better than all Chychrun’s seasons point totals except one? How is that an upgrade? If anything with DD/Durzi/Spence/Clarke and maybe Grans in a year or 2. Offensive defenseman are not what the Kings should be spending assets on.

 

[crassbonanza]

Huh? Durzi’s rookie season, was literally better than all Chychrun’s seasons point totals except one? How is that an upgrade? If anything with DD/Durzi/Spence/Clarke and maybe Grans in a year or 2. Offensive defenseman are not what the Kings should be spending assets on.

Chychrun and Durzi are the same age and Durzi has a career 3 goals and Chychrun has never had that few in a season. The Kings should absolutely be spending assets on an offensive defensemen, the blue line had a combined 19 goals in 355 games last year. Chychrun had 18 in just 56 games the season before last.

 

[kings11]

Agreed. And as I mentioned so many times before, it’s the benefit of having potential impact players on ELC’s, something the Kings haven’t had in awhile. If Clarke is pretty good this year, even better next year and a star in his third year while making under a mill it’s just massive advantage.

Something like Iafallo, Durzi, 2023 1st and a prospect


Your defense is

1. Doughty
2. JC
3. Roy
4. Anderson
5. Clarke
6. Walker (wish he would be traded to open up a spot for TB)
7. Edler

That is a pretty strong defense with a booming PP shooter which addresses a huge area of weakness that exists on the roster.

Once again, everyone against this still minimizes the importance of having a great PP. Having DD and JC on the points would be nice.

The problem with your assessment is that JC isn’t a top pairing Dman, he’s not a #2 but rather a borderline #3 since he’s had one awesome year.
Also, if you’re moving the package JJ22 recommended it better be for a guy that can actually finish the season and play like an elite Dman against top tier competition which he has trouble doing…
Annnnd, of course this also would include ignoring the fact that the guy has had significant injuries to his lower extremities, which kinda come in handy when you skate

 

[unicornpig]

1st
Turcotte
Durzi
Walker (cap dump)

People may not like it, but that's the kind of package it would take.



Anderson-Doughty
Chychrun-Roy
Edler-Clarke

Everyone on their correct side. One offensive guy on each pair, one defensive guy on each pair. Plus the farm still has D depth (Bjornfot, Spence, Grans).

easy pass