Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Raccoon Jesus]

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I don't think Kopi has declined significantly, I still think he is our best forward talent wise, I just think the minutes are finally catching up with him. Over the past decade he has played nearly 100 more minutes than any other forward in the league. Those minutes have been tough as well, he has over 1,500 minutes on the PK over that stretch. If you look at the rest of the top 10 forwards in TOI over that time frame only one(O'reilly) has over 1,000 minutes of shorthanded time.

I agree with that. That's why I'm saying reduce his minutes like they suggested they would when Danault came aboard. Can you imagine a 16-ish minute Kopitar + PP time?

Like, how often does this happen these does, where the puck just goes right thru his stick?

 

[crassbonanza]

I agree with that. That's why I'm saying reduce his minutes like they suggested they would when Danault came aboard. Can you imagine a 16-ish minute Kopitar + PP time?

Like, how often does this happen these does, where the puck just goes right thru his stick?

Oh, I fully agree with you, pull his minutes back just a little bit and I think we would see a much better player. Crosby is a critical part of the Penguins who seem to be legit contenders and he is logging 19 minutes per game. It seems that Sulli recognizes the importance of keeping Crosby fresh. Beyond just this season though, the Kings had a prime opportunity to lighten the minutes these past 3 seasons when they were tanking and blew it.

 

[Statto]

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I don't think Kopi has declined significantly, I still think he is our best forward talent wise, I just think the minutes are finally catching up with him. Over the past decade he has played nearly 100 more minutes than any other forward in the league. Those minutes have been tough as well, he has over 1,500 minutes on the PK over that stretch. If you look at the rest of the top 10 forwards in TOI over that time frame only one(O'reilly) has over 1,000 minutes of shorthanded time.

I agree with both you and RJ. His minutes are a huge problem and that’s before getting into giving more time to the prospects.

The stats used by RJ are very significant because they have appropriate context. They are definitely numbers I’d be highlighting to my coach if I were his stats guy. However you can see from his most basic numbers and they eye test that he plays better with fewer minutes.

Kopitar is still our best player but it’s soon going to become a case of flogging the dead horse. I’d like to see an argument FOR his minutes being what they are because I just don’t see one.

 

[FSL KINGS]

NYR 3rd, 5th goals go off Chychrun's stick & end up in net. One is a turnover passing to NYR one is breaking up a pass & chipping it to the wrong guy. Neither are great plays.

 

[kingsfan]

Yeah it “feels” wrong. That and he’s playing like shit and obviously worn out.

Only he's not playing like shit and he's worn out according to who?

Sorry, I call BS on the 'eye test' in today's NHL. Teams have entire segments of their staff devoted to ensuring a player is capable and playing at as close to 100% as possible. Us sitting in the stands aren't going to see what they see and unlike us, their livelihood depends on it. I'll trust their opinions over a subjective eye test.

 

[YP44]

So Faust said Blake was at the Rangers-Coyotes game the night before. Probably mainly looking at Chychrun.

sounds like alot of the kings brass are on this trip, and would have taken in that rangers game regardless of who they were playing. Chycrhun definitely did not show case himself in that stinker though.

 

[Mats26]

I'll pass on Chychrun with that ridiculous price, and get McNabb when he hits UFA. We need to start bruising people in front of the net.

 

[bland]

Only he's not playing like shit and he's worn out according to who?

Sorry, I call BS on the 'eye test' in today's NHL. Teams have entire segments of their staff devoted to ensuring a player is capable and playing at as close to 100% as possible. Us sitting in the stands aren't going to see what they see and unlike us, their livelihood depends on it. I'll trust their opinions over a subjective eye test.

Good grief. Seriously, that's your argument? That he hasn't played WELL below his ability and that nothing is a concern... because the team has people that make sure it doesn't happen?

If you can't, though it sounds more like don't want, to see it, that is entirely on you.

 

[YP44]

I'll pass on Chychrun with that ridiculous price, and get McNabb when he hits UFA. We need to start bruising people in front of the net.

I would go to Vegas about A-Mart. They are going to be in cap hell with Eichel and him are good to go. I imagine the cost will be very cheap.

I am starting to sway on how much I want LA to get Chrycrhun. i know the Coyotes team is gutted, but he has just looked so shit all year.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Only he's not playing like shit and he's worn out according to who?

Sorry, I call BS on the 'eye test' in today's NHL. Teams have entire segments of their staff devoted to ensuring a player is capable and playing at as close to 100% as possible. Us sitting in the stands aren't going to see what they see and unlike us, their livelihood depends on it. I'll trust their opinions over a subjective eye test.

Matt Luff. 170 lb Nico Hischier. Basically anyone he's playing against. Hell the other night vs. Seattle he couldn't handle Gourde and broke even with Jarnkrok and Ryan Donato.

He's the only regular C to have been on the ice for more goals against--more than ANY other King by the way--than goals for. And the rest are SIGNIFICANTLY in the black. That's not eye test--that's statistical results.

And just so we're clear we're not saying he sucks. Just cut his minutes, it's a VERY direct relationship between time and performance with Kopitar especially when it comes to special teams and game ending situations.

 

[cyclones22]

Typical appeal to authority response. Hand wave any dissent away. Just because there are folks who are hired to do a job doesn't mean they're doing it right or are even listened to. Just as there were many sitting on their couches yesterday saying the Buffalo Bills should really squib kick this kick-off because there's only 13 seconds left, yet they didn't do it. I mean, that had to be the right decision because SOMEONE was getting paid to make that decision and those people are always right. I highly doubt TMc is Dave Roberts in terms of analytical dependence. If he were he would've cut Kopi's minutes a long time ago.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Matt Luff. 170 lb Nico Hischier. Basically anyone he's playing against. Hell the other night vs. Seattle he couldn't handle Gourde and broke even with Jarnkrok and Ryan Donato.

He's the only regular C to have been on the ice for more goals against--more than ANY other King by the way--than goals for. And the rest are SIGNIFICANTLY in the black. That's not eye test--that's statistical results.

And just so we're clear we're not saying he sucks. Just cut his minutes, it's a VERY direct relationship between time and performance with Kopitar especially when it comes to special teams and game ending situations.

I'm expecting 19, 11, 9 to struggle a little. 19 has looked a bit slow since coming back from covid & 9 was not at the same level after clearing protocols. Kopi is helped by the speed of both those players. It may take them a bit to get their stamina & timing back.

Just have to grind this season out. It's going to be hectic.

 

[YP44]

I'm expecting 19, 11, 9 to struggle a little. 19 has looked a bit slow since coming back from covid & 9 was not at the same level after clearing protocols. Kopi is helped by the speed of both those players. It may take them a bit to get their stamina & timing back.

Just have to grind this season out. It's going to be hectic.

anyone notice how pale Kempe looked compared to before his covid bought. looked pretty damn sick last night still haha.

 

[Fat Elvis]

anyone notice how pale Kempe looked compared to before his covid bought. looked pretty damn sick last night still haha.

TM is feeling desperate. Kempe probably should of waited to play until Thursday. But LA shit the bed the last few games in LA and were trending backwards a tad. Needed to change up their mojo and forced Kempe in a few days early IMO. They got the win, so it worked...

 

[Trash Panda]

With the way this season has played out with player performances, there is absolutely no reason for Kopitar to be taking more minutes than Danault.

Danaults line (in whatever iteration that it has taken) has consistently outperformed Kopitars line throughout the season.

As it’s been said, throttle back the volume of minutes played by Doughty & Kopitar alike in exchange for a (hopefully) higher quality of ice time. It’s that simple.

 

[King'sPawn]

Only he's not playing like shit and he's worn out according to who?

Sorry, I call BS on the 'eye test' in today's NHL. Teams have entire segments of their staff devoted to ensuring a player is capable and playing at as close to 100% as possible. Us sitting in the stands aren't going to see what they see and unlike us, their livelihood depends on it. I'll trust their opinions over a subjective eye test.

So you ask, several answer, you pick one and call BS, and provide a nebulous justification of "there are metrics that are used to ensure peak performance." But of course provide no specifics of your own to discuss how he's playing well, relative to his past performances.

Did I miss anything?

 

[YP44]

With the way this season has played out with player performances, there is absolutely no reason for Kopitar to be taking more minutes than Danault.

Danaults line (in whatever iteration that it has taken) has consistently outperformed Kopitars line throughout the season.

As it’s been said, throttle back the volume of minutes played by Doughty & Kopitar alike in exchange for a (hopefully) higher quality of ice time. It’s that simple.

Right now I think LA has two high end 2nd lines (when Kempe is going) .

 

[deaderhead28]

Shoulda been traded in 2015, I tell you man, everyone knew it, everyone knew 7 years down the road this was coming, shoulda been traded along with Doughty for whatever we could get, future considerations, 7th round pick.....then they wouldn't be blocking the youth that isn't ready yet.

Doughty isn't blocking anyone and neither is Brown or Kopi.You need to have have veterans to teach the kids.I am just thankful you don't manage this team.This team isn't winning a Stanley Cup any time soon, get used to it.

 

[deaderhead28]

I think Kopi just needs a change of scenery. Anyone think he should be traded?

No.

 

[Matt13]

Doughty isn't blocking anyone and neither is Brown or Kopi.You need to have have veterans to teach the kids.I am just thankful you don't manage this team.This team isn't winning a Stanley Cup any time soon, get used to it.

I could be wrong, but I think you are missing the sarcasm.

 

[deaderhead28]

This board cracks me up.Just say I sleep well knowing Blake is our GM and not a HFBOARDS poster.

 

[deaderhead28]

I could be wrong, but I think you are missing the sarcasm.

Being in this group for a long time, it's hard to tell jokes from actual bad takes on the team.

 

[deaderhead28]

Typical appeal to authority response. Hand wave any dissent away. Just because there are folks who are hired to do a job doesn't mean they're doing it right or are even listened to. Just as there were many sitting on their couches yesterday saying the Buffalo Bills should really squib kick this kick-off because there's only 13 seconds left, yet they didn't do it. I mean, that had to be the right decision because SOMEONE was getting paid to make that decision and those people are always right. I highly doubt TMc is Dave Roberts in terms of analytical dependence. If he were he would've cut Kopi's minutes a long time ago.

I will take the experience of Blake over some random poster on a message board.

 

[Mats26]

With the way this season has played out with player performances, there is absolutely no reason for Kopitar to be taking more minutes than Danault.

Danaults line (in whatever iteration that it has taken) has consistently outperformed Kopitars line throughout the season.

As it’s been said, throttle back the volume of minutes played by Doughty & Kopitar alike in exchange for a (hopefully) higher quality of ice time. It’s that simple.

But it's not that simple.
If you reduce Kopitar's ice time it means Kempe and Iafallo are also off the ice. So we keep our 2 best wingers on the bench more often?

The problem is deployment and the lines. If you want Kopi's ice time to be reduced, don't make him play the special teams either PK or PP, again the coaching staff will not do this.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Doughty isn't blocking anyone and neither is Brown or Kopi.You need to have have veterans to teach the kids.I am just thankful you don't manage this team.This team isn't winning a Stanley Cup any time soon, get used to it.

Yes....I was being facetious.....for all the people who claim they saw this way back in 2015.