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Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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FSL KINGS said:
I'm just being irrational thinking they would staple Brown to Byfield for the whole year if he's re-signed. No way that could happen.
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No, you're right, that is exactly what is likely to happen, but I don't know if there is anything anyone can do about it, and while there may be better options out there for Byfield, he could also do worse than Brown...
 
Telos said:
No, you're right, that is exactly what is likely to happen, but I don't know if there is anything anyone can do about it, and while there may be better options out there for Byfield, he could also do worse than Brown...
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Who would be worse to have on his line than Brown?
 
I bet Blake was probably talking about how the Kings have the worst goals scored above expected in the entire league. By a wide margin. It’s like -28 goals below expected.

Why is this blood boiling? It simply means the Kings can’t finish, worse than every team in the league, given their opportunities. We all know this. Eye test and analytics match. Not rocket science, just information. Simply crazy that people get mad at the IDEA of information.
 
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Telos said:
Brown is a tough call and obviously, this board is going to go crazy when he re-signs, but as long as they are 1-year deals for like $1 million or something I don't think you can say no. It's not Brown's fault that he is being misutilized. He is the longest-tenured King in team history, a pretty big leader for the kids, and isn't the reason that much of a liability on the bottom 6.
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But we need to start slotting in some players who are stuck in the AHL. We simply have too many players ready to come up to keep Brown.
 
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Schmooley said:
Who would be worse to have on his line than Brown?
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It's debatable on the Kings roster, but fair to say there are worse players and situations in the NHL that Byfield could be in. That being said, obviously, I wish he was with better wingers and given a greater opportunity to grow, but at the least, he is on the roster and it sounds like he won't be sent back to the AHL.

YAYSAy said:
But we need to start slotting in some players who are stuck in the AHL. We simply have too many players ready to come up to keep Brown.
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We aren't going to have room for everyone, I don't think we are going to even have room to give everyone a cup of coffee at this point. Some players already need to be traded and moved.
 
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Telos said:
It's debatable on the Kings roster, but fair to say there are worse players and situations in the NHL that Byfield could be in. That being said, obviously, I wish he was with better wingers and given a greater opportunity to grow, but at the least, he is on the roster and it sounds like he won't be sent back to the AHL.



We aren't going to have room for everyone, I don't think we are going to even have room to give everyone a cup of coffee at this point. Some players already need to be traded and moved.
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I have a feeling some will be moved and do better than others that are kept....I see any or all of these 4 possibly moving and going on to do better than others that are kept: JAD, Kupari, Vilardi, Madden. Worse, the possible returns will probably not be so good. JAD had several good games last year and has now really improved his goal scoring and can play wing now as well. I know he was a little lackluster last stint, but that happens with most...especially, if one gets 9 minutes on the dreaded line 3 black hole. I think Kupari takes more time, like Kempe did. Kempe had early success, but part of that was he got 15 minutes with Toffoli and Pearson. I hope Gabe gets another shot. I'm okay if 2 of those were packaged for a Chychrun, or high caliber type...that is under 28 and has some term.
 
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terrorinthebang said:


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You can retire a King, but it has to be after this year, not next.
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Dustin you can most certainly stick around in LA....the CITY just not the team!!! We love you and what you have done for this franchise, but time to hang em up big guy. Heck you can help with the development camp. There ya go!!!
 
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What about Turcotte + 1st for Hertl? I'd be willing to give that up for Hertl. What do you guys think? I don't know. I've been drinking. Excuse me.
 
tbrown33 said:
I bet Blake was probably talking about how the Kings have the worst goals scored above expected in the entire league. By a wide margin. It’s like -28 goals below expected.

Why is this blood boiling? It simply means the Kings can’t finish, worse than every team in the league, given their opportunities. We all know this. Eye test and analytics match. Not rocket science, just information. Simply crazy that people get mad at the IDEA of information.
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OK but information isn't exactly information...

Could this team stat not be broken down into individuals?

Rhetorical question... it absolutely can. It can also be looked at over separate periods of time.

A quick glance on MoneyPuck shows that you can't separate into periods of time but Trevor Moore leads the team on the whole season with -7.5

I don't know if some other site lets you change time periods for that stat BUT...
by checking naturalstattrick I can see Trevor Moore's shooting %

at even strength Trevor Moore's SH%

from January 1st to today is 8.12%
from Oct 14 to December 31st 2.22%

I'm willing to bet his goals above expected has improved dramatically since being moved onto the Nice Line.

The three highest volume shooters on the Kings (at even strength for the full season) are Arvidsson, Roy and Brown.
Surprise surprise they join Moore at the top (bottom?) of the list of goals vs expected.

Roy has zero goals. Moore is scoring now. Arvidsson is a volume shooter and leads the team in on ice goal differential and Dustin Brown doesn't shoot the puck anywhere near as much now as he did when he started the season on the top line.

So... the rest of the team is pretty close to even and I'd be really curious to see what that stat looks like when you start correcting for little details like time and individual performances.

Stats always need context.

EDIT: I said Arvidsson lead the team in goal differential because he had recently but I just double checked it and he doesn't anymore but the point is that he's unquestionably a possitive presence on the ice regardless of what one specific stat might suggest.
 
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Sadly, Blake is wanting to make the playoffs, so I don't think there will be any major call ups. He is going to roll with what he has right now and hope they make the playoffs. If they were going to call up players it should have been done closer to the start of the season.
 
Telos said:
It's debatable on the Kings roster, but fair to say there are worse players and situations in the NHL that Byfield could be in. That being said, obviously, I wish he was with better wingers and given a greater opportunity to grow, but at the least, he is on the roster and it sounds like he won't be sent back to the AHL.
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Its not debatable at all on the Kings roster. Who would be worse? Looking at the Reign there are probably better options there even.
Cant think of a single player or winger lines around the league that would be worse. Zero pp time for QB also. Hes gettin the shaft but at least he doesnt have pressure to be the guy yet.
 
ru4reals said:
Dustin you can most certainly stick around in LA....the CITY just not the team!!! We love you and what you have done for this franchise, but time to hang em up big guy. Heck you can help with the development camp. There ya go!!!
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Well dream is over per Blake,they've mutual interest in Brown staying.
 
YAYSAy said:
But we need to start slotting in some players who are stuck in the AHL. We simply have too many players ready to come up to keep Brown.
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Blake has said Brown and the team have mutual interest in him staying. Propects will probably be used in trades to make more room for up coming drafts and trade pieces for a LHD.
 
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bland said:
"Expected Goals".

Blood boiling. You cannot use fancy stats to build a roster, good lord I cannot believe I read that garbage. Using stats as a metric is 100% purely reactive. A GM MUST be proactive. This just cements my opinion that this front office must go - no wonder they can't find room for kids, their play is based on trying to achieve certain statistical goals instead of growing an organization whil under the assumption that those stats actually mean something. Goddam joke of a franchise.

Fancy stats are opium for the unwashed masses. They remove the personal responsibility of decision making in favor of copying a statistical blueprint that is devoid of what makes hockey special from other sports.
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I really don’t see the issue with the article. The stat in this case just gives a tangible metric for how badly the team is struggling to score goals. It give a number showing that the system is working but they aren’t putting the puck away. We can see that easily with the eye test but it’s a more specific reply than something wooly like ‘we need to score more goals’, which is exactly the criticism he’d get if he did just that. It just smacks of ‘I don’t like Rob Blake’.

There is zero things wrong with using advanced stats, it’s only a problem if you only use advanced stats. It’s been made clear on multiple occasions that they use all the information available to them, not just the advanced numbers. So I don’t understand the issue. The success of recent acquisitions and the fact they’ve got so many prospects that have demonstrated they are ready to break into the NHL shows they are perfectly capable of assessing talent. It just remains to be seen if they can unlock the full offensive potential in the high skilled prospects but that’s still a work in progress, it’s too early to judge.
 
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Statto said:
I really don’t see the issue with the article. The stat in this case just gives a tangible metric for how badly the team is struggling to score goals. It give a number showing that the system is working but they aren’t putting the puck away. We can see that easily with the eye test but it’s a more specific reply than something wooly like ‘we need to score more goals’, which is exactly the criticism he’d get if he did just that. It just smacks of ‘I don’t like Rob Blake’.

There is zero things wrong with using advanced stats, it’s only a problem if you only use advanced stats. It’s been made clear on multiple occasions that they use all the information available to them, not just the advanced numbers. So I don’t understand the issue. The success of recent acquisitions and the fact they’ve got so many prospects that have demonstrated they are ready to break into the NHL shows they are perfectly capable of assessing talent. It just remains to be seen if they can unlock the full offensive potential in the high skilled prospects but that’s still a work in progress, it’s too early to judge.
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If anything, their deployment proves they don't just look at advanced stats :laugh:
 
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