Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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The Stutzle cult is real, formerly the "Karlsson is better than Doughty AINEC" cult.

Anyone writing off a 19 year old with 13 professional games played should never be considered a serious person.

Don't forget Sanderson - they worship him as much as prime Karlsson.
 
Not writing Byfield off, but at this moment Stutzle is the better player.


There was a point earlier this season when he had 1 goal and 7 points in 21 games and everyone rightfully kept their mouths shut.

Just like the other players mentioned, one heater and the guy is suddenly better than everyone else AINEC AND the other draftees are busts regardless.

It's not about the proper and timely evaluations, it's about the sudden hyperbolic bullshit where you're actively rooting against the other guys' success, in this case ESPECIALLY when you were assigning 'your guy' to the other team at one point!

Look how bitter a certain subgroup still is with Doughty over this stuff.
 
There is no circumstance, in any manner, where the kings should spend dollars, assets or a roster spot on a 37 year old player of any caliber at this time.

This simply isn’t that point of the rebuild. Not yet, at least.

We can think that, because I guess there's some specific timeline to rebuilds, but they've already invested heavily into a very soon to be 29 year old Danault. Arvidsson isn't far behind. Gave Iafallo and Petersen, two more guys in their later 20's, big contracts. Likely going to hand Kempe something significant. Kopitar and Doughty aren't going anywhere, and they've clearly listened to Doughty.

Whether it's Pavelski or whoever else, it doesn't seem like they're waiting anymore. If any young guys come along and produce, great, but they're leaning on vets.

They're not following any DL models. He had Kopitar, got Doughty, then sprinkled in long term veterans. Blake inherited a different reality than that, and is bringing in the longer term vets, and sprinkling in the young guys.

They're talented young guys, not just 3rd or 4th rd picks, but they just don't seem to be waiting for them to show they're top of the lineup players before adding to the roster anymore.

For good or bad, it doesn't seem as though they've chosen to ignore Doughty. Again, I don't expect anything insanely crazy from management, but closer to going for it than not? Yeah. You don't invest in a guy who will be 29 during the season, well two guys, to wait 2 or 3 more years.
 
Regarding Pavelski, there is always the one vet who's like "OMG, he's so old and still producing, this is amazing". I think at one point Brown led the pacific in goals last year and people were saying the same thing. Then they inevitably fall off, whether its later in the year, or next year, etc.
 
Regarding Pavelski, there is always the one vet who's like "OMG, he's so old and still producing, this is amazing". I think at one point Brown led the pacific in goals last year and people were saying the same thing. Then they inevitably fall off, whether its later in the year, or next year, etc.
On a 1 year deal I’d take a chance in Pavelski…
Vocal Leadership, toughness and yes, old as shit but scoring like a top 6 should… though I’d slot him with Byfield
 


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You can retire a King, but it has to be after this year, not next.
 


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You can retire a King, but it has to be after this year, not next.


NO NO NO NO NO. NO.
1. he's already the weakest link on the team. he was terrible on line 1. he's terrible on line 3. The last 2 games, did not get the puck ONCE to Byfield.
2. he has the worst PP numbers in the history of the NHL. 1 PP point in 42 games.
3. he will be 38 and ONLY be worse. There is no getting better, period.
4. ALL of these players are improving, week by week and MOST of these will surpass 'a down trending' Brown by the start of next season >>> JAD, Vilardi, Kupari, Turcotte, Fagemo, Madden, Thomas, Chromiak.

Honestly, as it stands, MORE than Brown must be gone, as each year the Kings are adding good NHL players: Danault, Arviddson. And 1-3 within rise and get better: Moore, Lizotte, Lemieux.
So, not only is there no room for Brown, there is no room for AA and probably one to two others as well: Grunstrom? Andersson? If Blake gets another top 6 forward and Kaliyev is in the top 6 next year,
fugetaboutit, Brown.
 
Regarding Pavelski, there is always the one vet who's like "OMG, he's so old and still producing, this is amazing". I think at one point Brown led the pacific in goals last year and people were saying the same thing. Then they inevitably fall off, whether its later in the year, or next year, etc.

Pavelski has never really fallen off though. He had 1 disappointing regular season but really turned it on that playoffs. Brown has been all over the place in his career offensively. Brown gets by or doesn't get by on physical skill, he is not really a thinking type player, kind of a bull in a china shop type. In the 2012 playoffs he was a Top 10 player in the league and then followed it up by averaging about 30 points a season for the next 5 seasons. Pavelski is more like a Luc Robitaille type player, his game sense in the offensive zone is off the charts, he consistently ends up with the puck in high scoring areas and his hands are still as great as ever.

I think he is someone the Kings should really take a look at if Dallas falls off and is out at the TDL. He can play anywhere in the Top 9 and he immediately makes our PP better as someone who can either shoot one-timers from the left side or collect garbage in front of the net. I know he turns 38 this year, but again I think he continues to age pretty well, if you extend him for 2 years I don't think its a problem.

The Stutzle cult is real, formerly the "Karlsson is better than Doughty AINEC" cult.

Anyone writing off a 19 year old with 13 professional games played should never be considered a serious person.

I agree completely on the second part, anyone writing off Byfield is doing so at their own risk of looking foolish.

That being said, you have been on this board for awhile, you mean to tell me if the Kings had taken Stutzle that this board is not collectively stroking itself if he is wearing a crown on his jersey? Come on man, you know that would 100% be the case. When Kopitar and Doughty came in guns blazing as rookies there was no modesty or pumping the brakes saying "Let's see how Bobby Ryan or Zach Bogosian look in 2 years", everyone was beyond excited and hyping them up all over these forums (and rightfully so) so it's not really fair to be critical of that aspect of their fanbase when we'd be doing the same. He is an insanely talented and exciting young player and they should be excited, we would be.
 
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Out of respect, if Brown doesn't want to be traded, I'd dress him half the games after the break.

Maybe.


He is only getting benched if they start losing and falling from a playoff spot. This also has to include TM actually being able to identify that its Brown's fault. Otherwise, I think he continues his role on what may be his Farewell Tour.
 
I agree completely on the second part, anyone writing off Byfield is doing so at their own risk of looking foolish.

That being said, you have been on this board for awhile, you mean to tell me if the Kings had taken Stutzle that this board is not collectively stroking itself if he is wearing a crown on his jersey? Come on man, you know that would 100% be the case. When Kopitar and Doughty came in guns blazing as rookies there was no modesty or pumping the brakes saying "Let's see how Bobby Ryan or Zach Bogosian look in 2 years", everyone was beyond excited and hyping them up all over these forums (and rightfully so) so it's not really fair to be critical of that aspect of their fanbase when we'd be doing the same. He is an insanely talented and exciting young player and they should be excited, we would be.


no because stutzle absolutely did not come in 'guns blazing,' he put up numbers that have gotten people absolutely eviscerated on this forum. There would be the same blowback there is here on Byfield, about looking good but low production. And the difference is no one has taken it to the main forum to parade Byfield's excellence while shitting on every other top 10 pick, which is the real issue people are looking at. You can barely find another Kings fan on other sections of this site anyway.
 
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2. he has the worst PP numbers in the history of the NHL. 1 PP point in 42 games.

Let's put more context to this. 1 powerplay point in 105 minutes on the powerplay. That is more time on the powerplay than total time on ice this season for:
Vilardi
Turcotte
Byfield
Strand
Tkachev
Fagemo
Moverare
Frk
JAD
Tynan

Tynan, Turcotte, Fagemo, and JAD are the only ones without a point.

So his production on the powerplay is worse than a chunk of players sent down to the AHL to improve their game, who have had less time to show they belong.
 
no because stutzle absolutely did not come in 'guns blazing,' he put up numbers that have gotten people absolutely eviscerated on this forum. There would be the same blowback there is here on Byfield, about looking good but low production. And the difference is no one has taken it to the main forum to parade Byfield's excellence while shitting on every other top 10 pick, which is the real issue people are looking at. You can barely find another Kings fan on other sections of this site anyway.

Can you cite a single example of anyone "eviscerating" a 45 point year by a player in his D+1 season? Doughty put up 27 points in his D+1 and I remember everyone being rightfully beyond excited.

I also remember lots of love for Doughty in his D+1 year from members here, and rightfully so.
 
Can you cite a single example of anyone "eviscerating" a 45 point year by a player in his D+1 season? Doughty put up 27 points in his D+1 and I remember everyone being rightfully beyond excited.

I also remember lots of love for Doughty in his D+1 year from members here, and rightfully so.


I just gave you Byfield.

And look no further than Vilardi, too. Not strictly D+1 obviously but similar idea.

And don't forget most of that production happened in garbage time at the end of the year, and he started this year similarly slow as pointed out above. You criticized Turcotte in the past for similar phenomena, don't let TS off the hook for it.

It happens nonstop, my friend. This forum compares our guy to another guy without realizing they're almost exactly the same.
 
Stutzle would also be seeing similar time and situations to Byfield, he wasn't going to be dropped on the top lines like he was in Ottawa. He's not as good as Iafallo or Arvidsson right now on either side of the puck, but particularly on the defensive/checking side. As dynamic and exciting as he is, his numbers would be lower here as he would be asked to contribute on both sides, which is the opposite of what the Senators do traditionally. He's a fantastic player and I'd love to have him, but the reality is he's in a perfect spot to maximize his numbers. Even though his numbers would suffer I would wager that he'd become an even better player with a different organization who would bring out his best in all facets of the game. Ottawa has been terrible at development for some time, they are further removed from the playoffs than the Kings and are still absolute bottom dwellers.
 
I just gave you Byfield.

And look no further than Vilardi, too. Not strictly D+1 obviously but similar idea.

And don't forget most of that production happened in garbage time at the end of the year, and he started this year similarly slow as pointed out above. You criticized Turcotte in the past for similar phenomena, don't let TS off the hook for it.

It happens nonstop, my friend. This forum compares our guy to another guy without realizing they're almost exactly the same.

You gave my Byfield? He played 6 games with 1 assist in his D+1, how is it similar?

Vilardi? He didn't even make his NHL debut until his D+3.

D+3 is not similar idea to D+1. Comparing guys in the NHL at 18/19 to guys in the NHL at 20/21 is just not fair.

Stutzle played 53 games last year, his production was no way skewed towards "garbage time" at the end of the year, you are just making things up and I don't know why for the life of me you would.

Games 1-13 : 6 points
Games 14-26: 9 points
Games 27-39: 7 points
Games 40-53: 7 points

Yes I criticized Turcotte's production as a freshman as well as his overall offensive ceiling in comparison to what others players taken high in the draft showed against the same competition, it was underwhelming. You called me a stat watcher and blamed a viral infection for his lack of production in the toughest part of his season (21GP, 1-8-9 in Conference play) Has my analysis from two years ago about his offensive ability (low end 2nd, high end 3rd liner) been more or less correct than yours (Jonathan Toews or Mike Richards). Hell, even the biggest homer within the Kings organization is calling him a 3rd liner. Again for the 199998th time for people like you and kings11 it doesn't mean bust, just poor value pick.
 
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Keep in mind that Stützle's offense really took off once they moved him to the middle. That would not be happening here.
 
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