Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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Updated from a previous post now that Vilardi and JAD have signed. Anderson & Durzi to go.

They currently have 3,959,166 in cap space asuming they waive Kupari, Lias, Moverare and Spence. They could gain another 130k by sending Bjornfoot down rather than Moverare.

On a 23 man lineup of

Kempe-Kopitar-Fiala
Arvidsson-Danault-Moore
Iaffalo-Byfield-Grundstrom
Lemieux-Lizotte-Kayilev
Extra: JAD, Vilardi

Waive Kupari, Anderson


Anderson-Doughty
Edler-Durzi
Walker-Roy
Extra: Bjornfoot

Waive Spence, Moverare

Quick, Peterson
 
The moment he asked for 10 mill, was the moment he had to be traded especially with the length of the contract requested.

Those pieces in return would have served us way better than many years bottom of the league hockey
Like how those peices we traded away to EDM for Gretzky sure served them well and they didnt even have a cap to contend with. Bottom of the leauge comes for everyone eventually, as far as 10mil players go you pay Kopitar that contract every day of the week. Still leading the team in scoring at 35
 
Like how those peices we traded away to EDM for Gretzky sure served them well and they didnt even have a cap to contend with. Bottom of the leauge comes for everyone eventually, as far as 10mil players go you pay Kopitar that contract every day of the week. Still leading the team in scoring at 35

Kopitar leading the team in scoring is the reason why we were in the basement for years.
This is not something good, if any it paints a picture of a horrible team.

I rather have any upside regardless how unrealistic or small than guaranteed bottom of the league with 30+ year old blocking any kind of progress.
 
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He’s also completely ignoring Doughty’s return to form last season, every time it is pointed out it just gets side stepped.

Even without that, if a 28, soon to be 29 year old Doughty wants to sign with your organization, any team with the first crack at that is going to hand him whatever contract he wants, and hope it works out.

If anyone can offer up the multitude of teams in the NHL, or any of the other 3 leagues in the US, that are as smart as fans want them to be, that would be great. If a top player wants to sign with you, and you're willing to spend money, there are simply an exceedingly small number of teams that will say, you know what, thank you, but we don't really want you here because you're closing in on 30.

Kopitar leading the team in scoring is the reason why we were in the basement for years.
This is not something good, if any it paints a picture of a horrible team.

I rather have any upside regardless how unrealistic or small than guaranteed bottom of the league with 30+ year old blocking any kind of progress.

No it isn't.

If you want to say the raise he got ultimately cost them Williams/Lucic/another winger, that makes sense. If you want to say they were never really all that great at drafting and developing talent, and the Kings teams that won were mostly comprised of Taylor picks, reclamation projects, and big future killing trades, that makes sense. If you want to say very few teams could survive losing their big cost 2C as his body broke down quickly and he wilted into nothing, losing a top 3/4 D-man for nothing, and their big power winger disappeared offensively for years, that makes sense.

To say Kopitar leading the team in scoring is why they sucked though, is just ridiculous.
 
Kopitar leading the team in scoring is the reason why we were in the basement for years.
This is not something good, if any it paints a picture of a horrible team.

I rather have any upside regardless how unrealistic or small than guaranteed bottom of the league with 30+ year old blocking any kind of progress.
I’m confused, we just came off 99 point season, but we are now guaranteed to be ‘bottom of the league’ because Kopitar is still our #1 center?

Someone please translate for me.
 
This is another thing I keep hearing some specific people repeat over and over again with confidence despite the fact that all I keep hearing from the league office and "reputable sources" is that the cap WON'T go up significantly and if it does it'll be somewhat falsely inflated due to union concerns over escrow and blah blah blah it's complicated and boring and I don't get it anyway.

I think some people out there saw the NBA deal (which was worth like $25 Billion) and saw their cap skyrocket and so just started saying "Well the NHL has a new TV deal and it's on ESPN for gosh sake so that means THAT cap will go up" ignoring the fact that the NHL deal is worth like $1 Billion and the NHL doesn't get nearly the ratings that the NBA gets.

The NHL gets something like $400 Million per year while the NBA is clearing something like $2.7 Billion per year.

Sorry to be a buzzkill yet again but this is one of those things where I don't blame the average fan for repeating with confidence what they heard some guy on a podcast say but...

I'm just not sure it's based in anything other than that dude's enthusiasm for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.

I meant at the time when Kane, Toews, Doughty and Kopitar were all inked. The cap constantly increased year over year, and with a new TV deal on the horizon that was going to go up even more. The % of cap would be high during the first years of those deal when the players were at their best, but less over time. Covid hit and changed everything. No one saw a flat cap coming let alone one for numerous seasons.

I don't think this is something I have just made up, or hear once and stuck onto. I think it is what happened.

Updated from a previous post now that Vilardi and JAD have signed. Anderson & Durzi to go.

They currently have 3,959,166 in cap space asuming they waive Kupari, Lias, Moverare and Spence. They could gain another 130k by sending Bjornfoot down rather than Moverare.

On a 23 man lineup of

Kempe-Kopitar-Fiala
Arvidsson-Danault-Moore
Iaffalo-Byfield-Grundstrom
Lemieux-Lizotte-Kayilev
Extra: JAD, Vilardi

Waive Kupari, Anderson


Anderson-Doughty
Edler-Durzi
Walker-Roy
Extra: Bjornfoot

Waive Spence, Moverare

Quick, Peterson
I know Spence does not require waivers, I didn't think Kupari did.
 
Like how those peices we traded away to EDM for Gretzky sure served them well and they didnt even have a cap to contend with. Bottom of the leauge comes for everyone eventually, as far as 10mil players go you pay Kopitar that contract every day of the week. Still leading the team in scoring at 35
Yup, Kopitar has been the best player on a team that up until last season hadn't made the playoffs over the entire length of his contract. That is extremely Cammalleri-esqe, and definitely worth $10M a season while tying up the 1C roster spot for eight seasons.

Colonel Nathan Jessup for GM!
 
No it isn't.

If you want to say the raise he got ultimately cost them Williams/Lucic/another winger, that makes sense. If you want to say they were never really all that great at drafting and developing talent, and the Kings teams that won were mostly comprised of Taylor picks, reclamation projects, and big future killing trades, that makes sense. If you want to say very few teams could survive losing their big cost 2C as his body broke down quickly and he wilted into nothing, losing a top 3/4 D-man for nothing, and their big power winger disappeared offensively for years, that makes sense.

To say Kopitar leading the team in scoring is why they sucked though, is just ridiculous.
This is not what i tried to say.

If i rephrase it, it makes more sense

If your 1st line center is a 60 point player, you will find yourself at the bottom of the league.
Especially if nobody else on the team is close to his point production

This is more a general approach to the top 6, regardless the player name.
It's just a bad mix, that our 60 point player asks for $10 mill per year
 
If i rephrase it, it makes more sense

If your 1st line center is a 60 point player, you will find yourself at the bottom of the league.
Especially if nobody else on the team is close to his point production
But...but...the Kings weren't at the bottom of the league last season and their 1st line center was a 67 point player (tops on the team), and the next player below him had only 54.

Can you rephrase again so it makes even more sense?
 
I meant at the time when Kane, Toews, Doughty and Kopitar were all inked. The cap constantly increased year over year, and with a new TV deal on the horizon that was going to go up even more. The % of cap would be high during the first years of those deal when the players were at their best, but less over time. Covid hit and changed everything. No one saw a flat cap coming let alone one for numerous seasons.

I don't think this is something I have just made up, or hear once and stuck onto. I think it is what happened.
Ah. I misread. Apologies.
 
But...but...the Kings weren't at the bottom of the league last season and their 1st line center was a 67 point player (tops on the team), and the next player below him had only 54.

Can you rephrase again so it makes even more sense?
We made the playoff because the 2nd line carried us and we only have 3 teams in the division who are remotely NHL level.

We wouldn't make the playoff in any other division
 
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Yup, Kopitar has been the best player on a team that up until last season hadn't made the playoffs over the entire length of his contract. That is extremely Cammalleri-esqe, and definitely worth $10M a season while tying up the 1C roster spot for eight seasons.

Colonel Nathan Jessup for GM!

They also got 1 and 0 winning seasons with the Quick and Brown deals. Since re-signing Quick to a 10 year contract, not one significant extension has resulted in playoff success. It's not just Kopitar. It was also Deano's brilliant idea of giving Gaborik a 7 year deal too.

Nobody, no team, is letting their 2 time Cup winning 1C get away, when on the day he re-signed, the team was 1st in the division, and top 5 overall. To keep harping on the worthiness of $10m a year is missing the point. Nothing else was going to happen in that scenario. Obviously DL had no plans to trade him in the summer of 2015 either, so, nothing else was going to happen.

Complain about Kopitar's ice time today, absolutely. Why he's still playing 29min every game, when you bring in Danault, and have at least one top 5 pick at C to pick from, it's a decent mystery.

No team or GM would've not re-signed Kopitar in 2016 under the conditions that existed at the time though. He wanted to stay. The owner was willing to spend money. He had had success. The team was good. That people still go on about, wow, that $10m sure was well spent money, is as big of a stubborn mystery as to why TM still plays him 37min a night. I don't get either stance.

This is not what i tried to say.

If i rephrase it, it makes more sense

If your 1st line center is a 60 point player, you will find yourself at the bottom of the league.
Especially if nobody else on the team is close to his point production

This is more a general approach to the top 6, regardless the player name.
It's just a bad mix, that our 60 point player asks for $10 mill per year

He had exactly 70pts in 13-14, and didn't score a goal after Game 7 against Anaheim.

But again, Kopitar leading in scoring isn't why they sucked. Everyone began crapping the bed after June 2014. Even before then, considering how close they were to not winning the Cup that year.

But you pin it on Kopitar, because he got $10m. Sure, in a hard cap league that number contributes, but it's far from the only reason. It's $3.2m more than his previous deal. If he had signed for $8m, would that $2m have prevented the Kings from falling apart? I highly doubt it. Know how much cap space was being wasted on Penner during the vast majority of his time here? Or Gagne? What did they get for that $3.5m?
 
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We made the playoff because the 2nd line carried us and we only have 3 teams in the division who are remotely NHL level.

We wouldn't make the playoff in any other division.

They had a pretty decent record against the East last year.

I'm sure there's some sad Kings reason for it though. Like nobody took them seriously with an old 1C and TM as coach. The Atlantic had a whole 4 legit NHL teams in it, and the Caps are older than the Kings, but those divisions were just too good.
 
They had a pretty decent record against the East last year.

I'm sure there's some sad Kings reason for it though. Like nobody took them seriously with an old 1C and TM as coach. The Atlantic had a whole 4 legit NHL teams in it, and the Caps are older than the Kings, but those divisions were just too good.
They did, but does not change the pacific was trash and LA took advantage.
 
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I'm convinced Kopitar's legacy is he will be ignorantly dumped on his entire career until he retires, then those same people will wish the Kings had a player like Kopitar.
Kopitar's legacy will be one of being so underrated that he is overrated.

He has been a consistently very good player whose role has been just as much of a detriment as a positive. It is very, very difficult to succeed with a pessimistic #1 center who consistently left 20-30 points on the table nearly every year to play it safe when.the team has so desperately needed more offense.

He has clearly been the teams most talented player, an absolute workhorse, since day one. That will be missed for as long as we are all still around. But the days when the Kings have a number one, TEAM driving center who takes responsibility for the team's offensive output instead of just being the guy who happens to collect the most points will be welcomed warmly.

I don't have a problem with Kopitar, he is who he is and that is a definite Hall of Famer. But the problem is that he has been too good to replace, and the team has only ever succeeded with him when the roster was packed to the rafters with talent and aggression. On his own, he isn't the type of player or personality to lead any team anywhere other than exactly where they would be without him. His legacy is a supremely talented supporting player, not a driver, who favored safety over maximizing his potential.
 
I'm convinced Kopitar's legacy is he will be ignorantly dumped on his entire career until he retires, then those same people will wish the Kings had a player like Kopitar.
I always wish the Kings have a player like Kopitar up until about age 28 or 29. I hope the Kings never again have a contract like Kopitar's current deal.
 
Kopitar's legacy will be one of being so underrated that he is overrated.

He has been a consistently very good player whose role has been just as much of a detriment as a positive. It is very, very difficult to succeed with a pessimistic #1 center who consistently left 20-30 points on the table nearly every year to play it safe when.the team has so desperately needed more offense.

He has clearly been the teams most talented player, an absolute workhorse, since day one. That will be missed for as long as we are all still around. But the days when the Kings have a number one, TEAM driving center who takes responsibility for the team's offensive output instead of just being the guy who happens to collect the most points will be welcomed warmly.

I don't have a problem with Kopitar, he is who he is and that is a definite Hall of Famer. But the problem is that he has been too good to replace, and the team has only ever succeeded with him when the roster was packed to the rafters with talent and aggression. On his own, he isn't the type of player or personality to lead any team anywhere other than exactly where they would be without him. His legacy is a supremely talented supporting player, not a driver, who favored safety over maximizing his potential.
It's hard to understand why some cannot see how obvious your points are now that we are six years into the current Kopitar contract.

Only two more years to go, and there is no way the Kings are getting back to the promised land in two seasons. The current deal, along with several others were nothing more than retirement contracts that accomplished nothing in terms of moving the organization forward toward contention.

If the Kings are given the opportunity to trade Kopitar, Quick, or possibly Doughty this season, they should be all over it.
 
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I'm convinced Kopitar's legacy is he will be ignorantly dumped on his entire career until he retires, then those same people will wish the Kings had a player like Kopitar.
When the PP gets a lot better because he stops slowing it down and develops movement as well as never seeing the can opener in the shootout. I can tell you comfortably, I’ll be “chilling” once Kopitar hangs it up.
 
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