Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[KINGS17]

So then, the same argument can be applied to McDavid, Draisatl, Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Barzal, Barkov, shit...tell me when I go to far and and on and on and on......Wait, Gaudreau, Tkcachuk? Huberdeau?

LOL, you want to compare Kopitar at his age to McDavid and Draisaitl. Okay.

I think I will just go back to ignoring your posts, which have such meager thoughts behind them.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

LOL, you want to compare Kopitar at his age to McDavid and Draisaitl. Okay.

I think I will just go back to ignoring your posts, which have such meager thoughts behind them.

Your argument was that Kopitar blah blah blah because he hasn't done anything since he signed the contract....in the playoffs.......

THAT was your argument, so if THAT's the argument, can I not use the same goddamn argument against other players who haven't done anything in the playoffs?

Or was there another argument there that you thought you made, but didn't?

Again, who cares about the best player on a crap team. That's the Michael Cammalleri argument that Dean rejected when Cammalleri wanted big money.

Kopitar is the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the length of the entire deal. When the deal is done, he will still be the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the entire length of his contract. I don't care about him being the best player on the team.

Again, in case you forgot, I know we are getting old, THATs the argument you made.....so again, McDavid is the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the length of the entire deal. When the deal is done, he will still be the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the entire length of his contract. I don't care about him being the best player on the team....


Tell me where I am wrong

 

[redcard]

Again, who cares about the best player on a crap team. That's the Michael Cammalleri argument that Dean rejected when Cammalleri wanted big money.

Kopitar is the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the length of the entire deal. When the deal is done, he will still be the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the entire length of his contract. I don't care about him being the best player on the team.

And the then 26 year old Cammalleri was traded for Colton Teubert.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I like Zach Dooley and responds to direct messages.

Dooley sucks bring back Rosen who at least allowed you to comment with an opinion.
Dooley is part of the big media censorship racket , especially if the sheep posting there get mad because you mention all the hoaxes being perpetrated by globalists and how it cost us hockey games and development of our prospects at a critical juncture. I would say more but they seem to be running a little scared over here too but not half as bad. At least they are somewhat reasonable.

 

[Telos]

Again, who cares about the best player on a crap team. That's the Michael Cammalleri argument that Dean rejected when Cammalleri wanted big money.

Kopitar is the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the length of the entire deal. When the deal is done, he will still be the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the entire length of his contract. I don't care about him being the best player on the team.

That argument doesn't hold water as it is just an omniscient, consequentialist, statement that anyone can make about any player in the NHL when they know exactly what happens and coulda shoulda woulda. There's no way the Kings are turning around from two Stanley Cups and trading Kopitar while he is putting up stellar numbers and is the franchise player when they are trying to get back there and compete with the core.

The odds are against a team trying to replace that kind of player and production with futures. Kopitar wasn't at any time the player that needed to be dealt. The team is prospect rich right now from not having to deal such key players and it still isn't clear whether or not the plan will even work...

 

[KINGS17]

That argument doesn't hold water as it is just an omniscient, consequentialist, statement that anyone can make about any player in the NHL when they know exactly what happens and coulda shoulda woulda. There's no way the Kings are turning around from two Stanley Cups and trading Kopitar while he is putting up stellar numbers and is the franchise player when they are trying to get back there and compete with the core.

The odds are against a team trying to replace that kind of player and production with futures. Kopitar wasn't at any time the player that needed to be dealt. The team is prospect rich right now from not having to deal such key players and it still isn't clear whether or not the plan will even work...

You would have a leg to stand on, if I wasn't saying it before Kopitar signed his current deal, and it had not turned out almost exactly as I said it would. Kopitar was exactly to the player to be dealt because the Kings were done contending, and he would have brought the highest return.

 

[Telos]

You would have a leg to stand on, if I wasn't saying it before Kopitar signed his current deal, and it had not turned out almost exactly as I said it would. Kopitar was exactly to the player to be dealt because the Kings were done contending, and he would have brought the highest return.

Well, clearly Blake should hire you now as you can predict every contract and their relative performance on our books before they happen. The fact remains that that is bullshit, no GM on the planet would have turned around and traded Kopitar prior to signing this deal, he was guaranteed to sign such a deal, and in all likeliness, you would have just squandered the asset as you trade him for Kale Clauge 2.0 and hoping to Christ Jeff Carter can replace Anze Kopitar...

Honestly, he's been worth his deal, has been one of the pinnacle two-way centers in the game this past decade. You can hang management or the team's failures around his neck and his contract all you want, but you'd be laughed out of the room with any NHL personnel trying to tell them how that is Kopitar's fault.

 

[Docgonzo]

Can’t wait till it’s 2035, Kopitar is finally retired he lead the Kings to 1 more cup final. He’s getting his jersey and statue and we’re still arguing about his damn contract.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Can’t wait till it’s 2035, Kopitar is finally retired he lead the Kings to 1 more cup final. He’s getting his jersey and statue and we’re still arguing about his damn contract.

And those same people will still be booing Rob Blake.

 

[Sol]

Dooley sucks bring back Rosen who at least allowed you to comment with an opinion.
Dooley is part of the big media censorship racket , especially if the sheep posting there get mad because you mention all the hoaxes being perpetrated by globalists and how it cost us hockey games and development of our prospects at a critical juncture. I would say more but they seem to be running a little scared over here too but not half as bad. At least they are somewhat reasonable.

Dooley is pretty tame to be honest

 

[KINGS17]

Well, clearly Blake should hire you now as you can predict every contract and their relative performance on our books before they happen. The fact remains that that is bullshit, no GM on the planet would have turned around and traded Kopitar prior to signing this deal, he was guaranteed to sign such a deal, and in all likeliness, you would have just squandered the asset as you trade him for Kale Clauge 2.0 and hoping to Christ Jeff Carter can replace Anze Kopitar...

Honestly, he's been worth his deal, has been one of the pinnacle two-way centers in the game this past decade. You can hang management or the team's failures around his neck and his contract all you want, but you'd be laughed out of the room with any NHL personnel trying to tell them how that is Kopitar's fault.

Despite all the BS you posted about what might have happened and what I would have done with assets never acquired, it is clear I was correct about what would happen if the Kings signed Kopitar to the ridiculous 8-year $80 million dollar deal, because it is what has happened.

 

[Minor Boarding]

And those same people will still be booing Rob Blake.

Yup. The same people that wanted Kopitar and Brown traded in 2012, the same people who love the Al Murray Kings (that didn't do shit all), the same people who are bitching about aquiring Gretzky (and won't acknowledge that without 99, the Kings would be irrelevant). Oh and those are the same troll posters who hail Lombardi and hate on Taylor/Al Murray, even though Lombardi stunk at drafting and developing top talent and Taylor/Murray gifted him the heart and core of the two cup runs.

I mean "cap space" and "fantasy league ideas" would be the most common names on the Stanley Cup if you believed any ideas the LGK trolls spew here now.

I wonder of we can find the old thread about not resigning Quick after the cup run, because Bernier was the future...

 

[Sol]

The same people who were moaning about Richards being a triple GOLD player “omg HAVE YOU SEEN THE SHIFT??”

Kings haven’t been great with contracts and giving contracts based on deserving it and ignoring the future is stupid. No matter how you cut it or try to justify it.

People were still bending over for Richards until he was finally demoted to the fourth line and even then they still cried about his history like it effected his present and future.

There was many blind Richards lovers because this site was pretty much Herby and a few vs the entire kings board

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Despite all the BS you posted about what might have happened and what I would have done with assets never acquired, it is clear I was correct about what would happen if the Kings signed Kopitar to the ridiculous 8-year $80 million dollar deal, because it is what has happened.

Except he's not wrong.....but yes...you are correct......you are the ONLY PERSON ON THE GODDAMN PLANET...that would make that move.....you can't name ONE franchise in PRO SPORTS...who has made a move like that, without financial constraints or player wishes.....but f*** it...you were right....about something that no one would ever do.....ever....wow....I'm....not that impressed still.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kopitar's legacy will be one of being so underrated that he is overrated.

He has been a consistently very good player whose role has been just as much of a detriment as a positive. It is very, very difficult to succeed with a pessimistic #1 center who consistently left 20-30 points on the table nearly every year to play it safe when.the team has so desperately needed more offense.

He has clearly been the teams most talented player, an absolute workhorse, since day one. That will be missed for as long as we are all still around. But the days when the Kings have a number one, TEAM driving center who takes responsibility for the team's offensive output instead of just being the guy who happens to collect the most points will be welcomed warmly.

I don't have a problem with Kopitar, he is who he is and that is a definite Hall of Famer. But the problem is that he has been too good to replace, and the team has only ever succeeded with him when the roster was packed to the rafters with talent and aggression. On his own, he isn't the type of player or personality to lead any team anywhere other than exactly where they would be without him. His legacy is a supremely talented supporting player, not a driver, who favored safety over maximizing his potential.

Kopitar has consistently led the team by 20-30 points for nearly 15 f***ing years. Who's been feeding him all these freebie points?

People completely ignore the 200-ft. Selke play to complain about his offense and then ignore how stellar his offense had been in context.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

The same people who were moaning about Richards being a triple GOLD player “omg HAVE YOU SEEN THE SHIFT??”

Kings haven’t been great with contracts and giving contracts based on deserving it and ignoring the future is stupid. No matter how you cut it or try to justify it.

People were still bending over for Richards until he was finally demoted to the fourth line and even then they still cried about his history like it effected his present and future.

There was many blind Richards lovers because this site was pretty much Herby and a few vs the entire kings board

How about the same people who shit on the Danault signing....Sol, take it away.

 

[King'sPawn]

Kopitar has consistently led the team by 20-30 points for nearly 15 f***ing years. Who's been feeding him all these freebie points?

People completely ignore the 200-ft. Selke play to complain about his offense and then ignore how stellar his offense had been in context.

But if the Kings had TRADED him, think of how many more playoff appearances and wins the Kings would have had with the picks and prospects they would have received from an overrated, overpaid passenger who needed a new contract. They would have been so much better off without him.

Especially since the same people also seem to agree that the Kings struggle with developing (forward) prospects.

 

[kilowatt]

You can’t just treat players like shit and ship them off when they deserve to be paid though. Otherwise no one will want to sign with or be traded to the team. Will we just have a rotating cast of rookies that never reach their prime with the team?

 

[unicornpig]

the good old kopitar sucks argument, sign for me to come back in october.

 

[Sol]

How about the same people who shit on the Danault signing....Sol, take it away.

I don’t think the Danault signing was bad since it’s not a massive contract.

All I’m saying is essentially too many people here defend bad contracts and view them in a bizarre way. Kings have been too lenient with their vets some could make the case for it.

 

[johnjm22]

The same people who were moaning about Richards being a triple GOLD player “omg HAVE YOU SEEN THE SHIFT??”

Kings haven’t been great with contracts and giving contracts based on deserving it and ignoring the future is stupid. No matter how you cut it or try to justify it.

People were still bending over for Richards until he was finally demoted to the fourth line and even then they still cried about his history like it effected his present and future.

There was many blind Richards lovers because this site was pretty much Herby and a few vs the entire kings board

Most of the people who were Richards apologists were people who tended to be critical of Kopitar and Brown.

The Richards trade, and his subsequent falling apart after 1.5 years did more damage to the franchise long term than the Kopitar contract did. It's not even close really.

 

[Statto]

Again, who cares about the best player on a crap team. That's the Michael Cammalleri argument that Dean rejected when Cammalleri wanted big money.

Kopitar is the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the length of the entire deal. When the deal is done, he will still be the 1C on a team that hasn't done jack in the playoffs over the entire length of his contract. I don't care about him being the best player on the team.

The argument for keeping him and DD (and to a lesser degree Quick/Brown) for the full contracts is that they provide scaffolding/a platform for the rebuild to create an environment for development and growth for the new core and the rookies coming in. The idea is to smooth that transition and ensure we don’t become the Buffalo Sabres. To a degree that has worked and had injuries been kinder we’d probably have gotten to the second round at least (but no guarantees).

Has that process worked brilliantly? No. There are some extenuating circumstances with COVID, a few injury hiccups to key pieces and some development decisions that can certainly be questioned. If DD continues his form from last year then keeping him will have definitely been a good call and if Byfield takes a step this year and they then manage Kopitars minutes better we can then have a run in the final year of his contract. It’s still a work in progress and yes there are lots of ‘ifs’ but things change quickly in this game.

I also think it’s unfair to criticise Kopi for his style of play as that’s clearly how the Kings chose to develop him. Given it was the basis of 2 cups I can’t complain even though there’s no doubt that he did not hit his offensive ceiling.

 

[Statto]

I don’t think the Danault signing was bad since it’s not a massive contract.

All I’m saying is essentially too many people here defend bad contracts and view them in a bizarre way. Kings have been too lenient with their vets some could make the case for it.

I don’t have an issue with any individual contract because there’s a case for each of them. However as a group of contracts (Doughty, Kopitar, Brown, Gaborik, Quick) it wasn’t smart cap management. Even though the cap being so stagnant couldn’t have been predicted it still wasn’t smart. However everyone signs #11 and #8… every GM in the league signs those deals.

 

[Telos]

Despite all the BS you posted about what might have happened and what I would have done with assets never acquired, it is clear I was correct about what would happen if the Kings signed Kopitar to the ridiculous 8-year $80 million dollar deal, because it is what has happened.

What? Being one of the most complete, dominant, and hardest to play against centers in the league? Yeah, the Kings really blew it on that one. If only they had another 1st++ instead of that for 8 years...

 

[Herby]

I'm convinced Kopitar's legacy is he will be ignorantly dumped on his entire career until he retires, then those same people will wish the Kings had a player like Kopitar.

I remember watching guys like Modano, Fedorov, Forsberg, Yzerman, Sundin etc. and just wishing the Kings had a guy like that. And then we got a guy like that, for a decade and a half now, a 1-3 player on two Stanley Cup teams, the best offensive player on the team every year, the best defensive forward on the team every year. And all of this without ever having a winger anywhere close to the same level or a young center developed to help him.

People on here talk about "well he is a $10m player, he should be a high-end 1C", but that is not the way it works for contracts. When Dean signed Kopitar you can bet the expectation wasn't that he'd be a $10m caliber first-line player at 35 and 36, and that by then they'd have drafted and developed (or somehow acquired) a center to at least help the offensive burden. And that contract part is not a criticism of Dean, many teams do the same thing, when MacKinnon gets extended the last couple of years will not bring great value to the team.

They were going to draft Barzal in 2015 (if you believe Futa) and chose to flush the pick down the toilet. They drafted centers very high in 2017, 2019 and 2020 and still no Kopitar replacement. They did at least address replacing his defensive game with Danault, but Danault isn't going to replace Kopitar's offense, that is still the area they seem a long way from replacing. Unfortunately I think far to many here place the blame on Kopitar when it should be with two different GM's who really let him down in the second half of his career.