King'sPawn
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Are you arguing that Kylington and Boqvist are some defensive stalwarts?
I provided comps Durzi would use and why.
If you think other comps are appropriate, please feel free to do so.
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I provided comps Durzi would use and why.
If you think other comps are appropriate, please feel free to do so.
I am not arguing that Kylington and Boqvist are some defensive stalwarts.
I am simply stating that Durzi is horrible defensive player.
King'sPawn
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KingsFan7824
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As we begin to see the worst in every situation again with the sky just beginning to fall, the Kings do have a couple defensemen that can fill in while the expensive guys legitimately withhold their services until they're rightly paid handsomely for their on ice efforts.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Yeah frankly Blake is in a great position. Mikey wants to hold out? Enjoy your 1st pairing minutes, Toby. Durzi wants to hold out? Welp, guess Spence is getting some love after all. Oh, and either guy has enough ability to take your job, so don't be a bitch.
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Best I can find is
Liljegren: 5-18-23 and +18 in 61 GP last season, 23 years old signed for 2x1.4 a month and a half ago.
Probably an outlier though.
Got to admit your comps do make me pause, however all of those player would have played more games in the NHL and that's what I go to. This feels like a 1 year show me type of deal, but I am not sure does that take him to UFA or RFA?
Is this a lightening can strike twice or who he is. I honestly have no clue, but I am guessing if the kings thought this is who he was then he would be locked up.
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2 for Mikey
1.5 for Durzi
Anything else requires people with salary to be moved. Sorry guys, we didn't want to deal with 10,000,000 on goal or deal out a forward.
At 4-5, King's would be better off with an established player.
1.5 for Durzi
Anything else requires people with salary to be moved. Sorry guys, we didn't want to deal with 10,000,000 on goal or deal out a forward.
At 4-5, King's would be better off with an established player.
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To be clear...
There is absolutely zero reason to belive that either player is "holding out" or that there are any hiccups, issues, snags or bumps in the negotiations.
At all.
Raccoon Jesus
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100% agree. I'm just saying I'd have no reason to worry even if they were. There's no leverage other than some irrationally hurt feelings or the extreme outside scenario of an offer sheet.
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My guess is that Durzi and Anderson have been tendered QOs and the ball is in their court. The Kings hold most of the leverage until Dec when unsigned RFAs are lost for the season.
The next real deadline is for the players, which is camp in around 6 weeks. If one or both come in above their QOs and all big money players are ready to start the season, the Kings will likely be over the cap.
Most likely RV is out to start, giving the Kings enough room to give Anderson $2.5 and Durzi $1.75. Both on short term deals.
The next real deadline is for the players, which is camp in around 6 weeks. If one or both come in above their QOs and all big money players are ready to start the season, the Kings will likely be over the cap.
Most likely RV is out to start, giving the Kings enough room to give Anderson $2.5 and Durzi $1.75. Both on short term deals.
King'sPawn
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That's a reasonable comp. Especially since the Muzzin trade was probably a choice between Liljegren and Durzi.
Totally reasonable to suggest a "show me" contract.
I just disagree that there's "no way" he gets $2. He has appropriate comps to ask more. Which may be contributing to delays.
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Don’t spoil the fun. It’s a new subject that everyone can fall out over
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If his agent isn’t using such comps then he’s not doing his job.
We’ve had a debate about whether we should trade another RD and this is the sort of scenario that ‘may’ lead to that but I think it’s unlikely. As has been said, the date to worry about is the start of camp so the agents have time to try to push the numbers up, but I expect both are signed in time.
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Im in the camp to trade Durzi well his value is high.
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Oliver Kylington: $2.5 just signed last week as an RFA) -- 168 career games
Adam Boqvist: $2.6 (RFA) -- 128 career games
Samuel Girard: $5 million (signed as an RFA) -- 155 career games when he signed his contract
Sean Durzi -- 64 career games
I would be shocked if Durzi gets anywhere near any of those players. As someone else pointed out, Liljegren and his 2x$1.4m is a much better comparable.
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You can’t rule it out. However it depends on a combination of how much money he wants and any potential offers on the table. If the best Blake gets offered is a 2nd round pick then I see no point in trading him. If it’s in a package to get the ‘Unicorn LHD’ them it makes sense. There’s too many moving parts and too much nuance to just say ‘trade him’. Don’t get me wrong I’m not against it, but not just for the sake of it.
KingsFan7824
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Come on, they're not even mad about playing time? Durzi isn't thinking, you guys didn't have me on the opening night roster last year? I would say that's probably all they think about, because it's certainly all we ever think about. Osmosis is a thing.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I just don't understand why anyone would think this is 'sell high' time on Durzi, or that this is his high-water mark.
Everyone in the NHL saw that while it was admirable that he played 20+ minutes in Doughty's absence that his 'true' role is far below that and that he'll excel in depth. They're not going to treat him like a 1st pairing dman in trade, they're going to treat him appropriately, like a depth-role PP specialist, a Colin Miller or Kevin Shattenkirk at best.
I think his best is yet to come and that last season surely seasoned him. The extra exposure was nice sure but that also means his warts were ALSO on display. And I say that as a guy who has become a big fan on his sheer guts.
Everyone in the NHL saw that while it was admirable that he played 20+ minutes in Doughty's absence that his 'true' role is far below that and that he'll excel in depth. They're not going to treat him like a 1st pairing dman in trade, they're going to treat him appropriately, like a depth-role PP specialist, a Colin Miller or Kevin Shattenkirk at best.
I think his best is yet to come and that last season surely seasoned him. The extra exposure was nice sure but that also means his warts were ALSO on display. And I say that as a guy who has become a big fan on his sheer guts.
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I already said Liljegren is a fair one, too.
What some appear to be ignoring is that Durzi has an agent who will be doing what he can to get the best deal he can that his client wants.
Durzi spent half a season filling in for Doughty as getting the most minutes for an RD. He put up better numbers than Liljegren and comparable numbers to the ones I listed.
Undoubtedly, the Kings would be wise using Liljegren as a comp. But as mentioned, these are negotiations. No player will just agree to a lower contract because of one comp that has a similar number of games played. Just like no team will agree to a higher contract because a player has produced similar to others.
To me, Durzi is worth $2 million. That's a good salary for what he does and brings. The biggest reason many are saying no is because of the Kings' salary cap situation. If the Kings had, say, $8 million in cap space, do you think the $600k difference we're discussing here would really be going on?
KingsFan7824
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Blake hasn't been a sell high guy. Maybe Muzzin? Although that season was more forced on him than anything else.
I doubt he'll start doing that with Durzi. He brings things the Kings don't have. Finished 2nd on the team in PIM's. He's fiesty. He's got some offensive talent that is different than Doughty's. Much more consistently creative.
Blake will take advantage of cap issues with other teams, but with the Kings roster he's overly patient if he's anything. He'll wait until there's not really another option. Or at least that's what he's done up to this point.
I doubt he'll start doing that with Durzi. He brings things the Kings don't have. Finished 2nd on the team in PIM's. He's fiesty. He's got some offensive talent that is different than Doughty's. Much more consistently creative.
Blake will take advantage of cap issues with other teams, but with the Kings roster he's overly patient if he's anything. He'll wait until there's not really another option. Or at least that's what he's done up to this point.
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It’s cause some people spend too much time on internet or playing video games and don’t understand this is real life.
You don’t trade players off that you’ve brought into the organization and they have then proven themselves to be the player you want them to be. It just doesn’t make sense in a variety of ways and his horrible look for the org.
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