Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Fishhead]

Why would you want to give up that much? That's really mortaging the farm.

Well, it's a lot, but I probably would trade that much for a 24-year-old Doughty, which is what McAvoy is. The only difference is McAvoy is a bit more creative and a passer who is steady and consistent, while Drew has a better shot and is streaky. Like Drew he plays stellar defense. He's a #1D in every sense of the word.

If Clarke comes close to McAvoy I will be very happy.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Pastrnak is my target from Bos. One more season before he's UFA. Bos is trending down hard. Krejci gone. Bergeron retiring in near future. Same with Rask. Soon 1C looks like Coyle. Will Pastrnak resign on a Bos team headed for a rebuild? Will BOS, who has traded guys like D. Hamilton in the past, pay Pastrnak's UFA money?

Got to prove Kings are serious about making the post season & competing to attract a big UFA.

 

[kingsfan28]

This forum has gone full LGK

Not even close, more like a 2 day bender. We haven't reached the "passed out Vegas hooker on the bed, why do I have this ring on" point yet.

 

[kingsfan28]

I don’t think it’s enough. He’s 23 year old 2 time all star who has 5 more years of control. Kupari and JAD doesn’t move the needle. That’s why I was hoping to expand the trade and add JC to the return. Keller and JC for Clark, Kupari, JAD and a first.

I don't think they'll move Clarke for anybody, especially Chychrun. Clarke could be the next Chychrun, with a cost certain contract for 4 plus years.

 

[kingsfan28]

It really does make you wonder exactly what management was looking for when they reached out to make that hire.

Thought it was made pretty clear. MB has no control in any way, shape, or form on this team. He's just another voice in the room and was given the job to stay involved in hockey while waiting for his next gig. Lots of guys do it, Hextal ring a bell a few years ago?

 

[kinghock]

I don't think they'll move Clarke for anybody, especially Chychrun. Clarke could be the next Chychrun, with a cost certain contract for 4 plus years.

Clarke could be >> Chychrun

 

[Statto]

Dude, someone explain to me how I’m missing the point….the guy basically said that Turcotte should play over Brown if the playoffs started today. My point was, how can you even come to that conclusion when Turcotte has proven nothing at the NHL level…yet. So, someone tell me where I got it wrong….pretty please.

Turcotte and/or Vilardi should definitely play to get experience because this is about building towards a cup and we need these guys to learn and develop. This team isn’t winning a cup even if we make a big move at the deadline.

So there’s an argument for them playing over Brown (even if you don’t agree) but his experience means I sit AA and make sure they play in a couple of games over him. Most likely injuries will create additional opportunities to get younger guys into the lineup anyway. Long term getting these guys into playoff games is better for the franchise.

 

[kingsfan]

I trade Clarke for McAvoy 10 times out of 10 it's not even a question

That's fair and I can see why. Guy is a great defenseman for sure.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Turcotte and/or Vilardi should definitely play to get experience because this is about building towards a cup and we need these guys to learn and develop. This team isn’t winning a cup even if we make a big move at the deadline.

So there’s an argument for them playing over Brown (even if you don’t agree) but his experience means I sit AA and make sure they play in a couple of games over him. Most likely injuries will create additional opportunities to get younger guys into the lineup anyway. Long term getting these guys into playoff games is better for the franchise.

Getting these guys 'experience' wasn't really the discussion or the argument...and Vilardi was never brought up, but thanks.

With that said, I'm ready for GV to get another shot, see what's he learned from his demotion.

 

[YP44]

I really hope Vilardi is back up and either on Kopitar or QB's wing ASAP. Having a right shot guy who can take faceoffs could be really nice. Kinda like when Carter would take the draw on his strong side when paired with Richards, and then move to wing when the flow of game allowed. That could be what Vilardi does, just not sure if he can read the game like that yet.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Is there a All-Star break freeze on trades?

 

[Matt13]

I really hope Vilardi is back up and either on Kopitar or QB's wing ASAP. Having a right shot guy who can take faceoffs could be really nice. Kinda like when Carter would take the draw on his strong side when paired with Richards, and then move to wing when the flow of game allowed. That could be what Vilardi does, just not sure if he can read the game like that yet.

I don't think you want to touch the top two lines unless of course we see an injury as they all seem to be clicking pretty well. And of course unless of injury they aren't touching the 4th line. Which leaves only the 3rd.

As far as the 3rd line goes though, its probably stuck with Dustin Brown for the remainder of the season. Vilardi's only hope of making the team right now is if AA gets traded which I just don't see happening.

 

[YP44]

Is there a All-Star break freeze on trades?

Don't think so. I forget what player was dealt from the Avs to Panthers (I think) right before the allstar game and actually was an allstar.

 

[YP44]

I don't think you want to touch the top two lines unless of course we see an injury as they all seem to be clicking pretty well. And of course unless of injury they aren't touching the 4th line. Which leaves only the 3rd.

As far as the 3rd line goes though, its probably stuck with Dustin Brown for the remainder of the season. Vilardi's only hope of making the team right now is if AA gets traded which I just don't see happening.

The line of Moore-Danault-Arvidson I would not touch. I would keep Kempe and Kopitar together, but Iafallo could play with QB and Brown and I think it owuld help that line, and then create a spot for Vilardi on the top line (the Fagemo treatment). Plus I like Kempe and Iafallo both as LW instead of one playing the right side.

 

[kings11]

I don’t think it’s good or bad if Vilardi spends the rest of the season in Ontario.. it’s development, considering he’s missed so much time
He’ll get use to his new position, he’ll be instrumental in their playoff push or championship and he’ll be primed to succeed next season..

 

[kingsfan]

The line of Moore-Danault-Arvidson I would not touch. I would keep Kempe and Kopitar together, but Iafallo could play with QB and Brown and I think it owuld help that line, and then create a spot for Vilardi on the top line (the Fagemo treatment). Plus I like Kempe and Iafallo both as LW instead of one playing the right side.

I'm happy Vilardi is doing well on the Reign but I don't get why he should be automatically slotted onto the top line. He was not good at all in seven games this year, he needs to start from scratch and work his way up the line up. The rest of these guys are the ones that have us as one of the leagues best teams since that 1-5-1 start, I'd rather see them moved up along side KK. Put Kaliyev there if you want to make a shuffle, he's slowly improved as the year went along and has earned it far more than Vilardi.

 

[bland]

Dude, someone explain to me how I’m missing the point….the guy basically said that Turcotte should play over Brown if the playoffs started today. My point was, how can you even come to that conclusion when Turcotte has proven nothing at the NHL level…yet. So, someone tell me where I got it wrong….pretty please.

No, I didn't say that. You took 2 and 2 and came up with 6400 then went into full lil bitch mode.

Nowhere does it say that Turcotte would be "better" than anybody - it says only that Turcotte's style of game is built for the playoffs. Its compared to Brown only because that's what the post I responded to suggested. I pointed out that Brown no longer plays the style of game that y'all romanticize about.

I never said that Turcotte would turn into your ridiculous "playoff monster". You made that up in your head and then used it to be insulting and weakly sarcastic.

If you hadn't wrongly assumed that and instead asked what I was talking about the answer would be the same damn thing I have been saying for two years. The Kings aren't winning anything until the kids are ready and that giving them the experience now is far more important than a futile chase at the playoffs now just to sooth the vets.

I don't expect ANY of the kids to produce now or in the playoffs. I wouldn't expect any of them to produce more than Brown this year and I wouldn't take Brown out of the lineup - just the PP. I definitely wouldn't re-sign him.

Brown isn't the same guy he was 8 years ago. He doesn't forecheck, he always sets up as the F3. He doesn't backcheck anymore because he is too slow to react. He rarely hits now because he doesn't put himself in those aggressive situations. The big hits he does have are when the opposition gets in his path.

Make sense yet?

 

[kovacro]

Is there a All-Star break freeze on trades?

Don't believe so.

Still remember when the Kings traded Bernie Nicholls on the eve of the 1990 All-Star game to the Rangers for Sandstrom and Gronato. That was a shocker.

I think that was the first year the NHL had the All-Star Weekend skills competition.

 

[kinghock]

I'm happy Vilardi is doing well on the Reign but I don't get why he should be automatically slotted onto the top line. He was not good at all in seven games this year, he needs to start from scratch and work his way up the line up. The rest of these guys are the ones that have us as one of the leagues best teams since that 1-5-1 start, I'd rather see them moved up along side KK. Put Kaliyev there if you want to make a shuffle, he's slowly improved as the year went along and has earned it far more than Vilardi.

I think Vilardi will be doing great on Kings PP1 along with Kempe, Kopitar, Kaliev and Doughty/Durzi.

 

[Schrute farms]

I trade Clarke for McAvoy 10 times out of 10 it's not even a question

Well of course, we all would...that's a no brainer.
But it wouldn't be a 1-for-1 trade. It would be Clarke + 1st + another very good piece or (likely) two.

 

[cyclones22]

I'm not going to get into the trading for McAvoy discussion, but a 24 year old Doughty vs a 24 year old McAvoy isn't a comparison. At 24 Drew was the best defenseman on the planet. I like McAvoy, but no.

 

[Matt13]

The line of Moore-Danault-Arvidson I would not touch. I would keep Kempe and Kopitar together, but Iafallo could play with QB and Brown and I think it owuld help that line, and then create a spot for Vilardi on the top line (the Fagemo treatment). Plus I like Kempe and Iafallo both as LW instead of one playing the right side.

Against Detroit, QB played 11 minutes, DB played 13 minutes and AI played 18 minutes.

From the stand point of being an offensive weapon, why would you take the player with the 4th highest points on the team and cut his minutes by 5?

 

[Statto]

Against Detroit, QB played 11 minutes, DB played 13 minutes and AI played 18 minutes.

From the stand point of being an offensive weapon, why would you take the player with the 4th highest points on the team and cut his minutes by 5?

His minutes include PK and PP and his presence would allow you to increase Byfields 5/5 minutes. Remember Byfield is inexplicably not getting enough PP time.

 

[kilowatt]

Well of course, we all would...that's a no brainer.
But it wouldn't be a 1-for-1 trade. It would be Clarke + 1st + another very good piece or (likely) two.

I'd probably do that too

 

[Fishhead]

I'm not going to get into the trading for McAvoy discussion, but a 24 year old Doughty vs a 24 year old McAvoy isn't a comparison. At 24 Drew was the best defenseman on the planet. I like McAvoy, but no.

I actually like McAvoy's defensive game a little better than Drew's. He's better positionally while Drew makes ridiculous recovery plays, but both are effective. He also has a slightly higher ppg than Drew at the same point in their careers. He plays in all situations, gets just as much ice time, etc. Getting those kinds of minutes and being a +84 in your first five seasons is absolutely fantastic. In his first 5 years, Doughty was in the mix for the Norris twice, coming in 3rd and 9th. McAvoy as well, coming in 10th a couple of years ago and 5th last year. I watch him quite a bit, he's almost a Drew clone. Neither of them put up gaudy offensive numbers because they play top defense, which goes right over the head of voters when it's trophy time. I can't think of a player more like Doughty, actually.

The one worry I have about McAvoy would be his durability, Drew rarely misses time while McAvoy picks up a lot of dings here and there. On the other hand McAvoy is a nastier player.