Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[No Name The Nameless]

I think we're buyers at the deadline. I just wonder what it would take to get Keller out of ARI. Would Kupari, JAD, 1st be enough to land Keller? We could really use him on the wing. Or maybe go after the likes of Olofsson in BUF or Batherson in OTT?

I don’t think it’s enough. He’s 23 year old 2 time all star who has 5 more years of control. Kupari and JAD doesn’t move the needle. That’s why I was hoping to expand the trade and add JC to the return. Keller and JC for Clark, Kupari, JAD and a first.

 

[apocalypse]

I don’t think it’s enough. He’s 23 year old 2 time all star who has 5 more years of control. Kupari and JAD doesn’t move the needle. That’s why I was hoping to expand the trade and add JC to the return. Keller and JC for Clark, Kupari, JAD and a first.

I wouldn't add Clarke. He'll take over for Doughty in a couple years.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think the Kings are buyers at the deadline and possibly before the deadline. Because they have played hard, succeeded and shown they can beat any team and in any building.
They have been resilient and playing for each other. And the other reason being, this team can make the playoffs, but give them 1 or 2 more top level players; ideally a top 4 LHD
and / or 1 more goal scoring winger, they will push their way into the playoffs...not a rental player, but someone under 30 that has some term. (preferably younger, but do not see them afraid of getting someone upwards of 30-31 with some term and playoff experience)

With over 15 top assets, why not? Would it be more ideal to wait until Summer? Maybe. You do not always have perfect timing and when a certain player you covet can be had,
you make the move. Can keep all untouchables as well. QB, Clarke, Kaliyev and more than likely the next group of untouchables: Turcotte, Chromiak, Faber.
That still leaves a massive pool: Vilardi, Kupari, Grans, Fagemo, Spence, Thomas, JAD, Madden, Andersson, Pinelli, Simontaival, Strand the 2022 1st rounder. ATM would want
to hang onto Moverare and Helenius. Need LHD depth. I would not call Helenius untouchable, but since they signed him and want his size and toughness, think they would
not move him.

It's kind of like my hiring philosophy at work--I'd rather take the 'right player' at the 'wrong time' than wait for exactly the right time and have no qualified candidates available.


I'm sure they're still doing their homework on chychrun. But value is important.

 

[kingsfan]

I think we're buyers at the deadline. I just wonder what it would take to get Keller out of ARI. Would Kupari, JAD, 1st be enough to land Keller? We could really use him on the wing. Or maybe go after the likes of Olofsson in BUF or Batherson in OTT?

I think the first question to determine is salary cap hit. Even if Arizona retained 50% -and I see no reason why they would on a contract running that many years, that'd just be poor planning even for them- we'd still need to clear cap space, especially if Edler returns. LTIR cap space is always a headache for me to figure out but I think if I'm reading capfriendly right we'd have about $6.3 mill in cap room at the trade deadline under LTIR, which wouldn't be enough for Keller. If Elder returns that number obviously drops significantly.

Anathasiou would likely go back the other way as would Maatta, but I'd wager we'd need to pay them a fair bit to take both. It's been reported a few times that most contenders are at the cap or in the LTIR area and very few teams have cap space to burn, so most of those contenders are going to paying Arizona to take on bad contracts.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Keller cost at least solid young player like Kupari, another solid youngster like Fagemo/Chromiak, a 1st, a 2nd and another 1st to eat AA and Maatta. I'd bet it'd be more because the Coyotes have zero motivation to trade Keller until the 24-25 season when his cap hit goes below his actual salary and his NTC kicks in.

Olofsson would be a nice get and possible, at a better price. Batherson, I just can't see why Ottawa would ever move him.

 

[tbrown33]

Might as well take Chych with him. Clark, Turcotte, Kupari, JAD and a first rounder.

this would be one of those trades we'd look back on as historically bad

 

[Fishhead]

AA and Maatta are up at the end of the year, so they would only have them for a couple of months. Probably wouldn't cost them a first, maybe a 2nd. I also don't see them trading Keller at all, but they've done weirder things. They are pretty desperate there right now, so who knows how they will proceed.

 

[kingsfan]

AA and Maatta are up at the end of the year, so they would only have them for a couple of months. Probably wouldn't cost them a first, maybe a 2nd. I also don't see them trading Keller at all, but they've done weirder things. They are pretty desperate there right now, so who knows how they will proceed.

It's not the length of time that's the issue. Arizona is going to have a number of teams looking to them to eat cap space for them, so it's going to be a bidding war to bribe them to do it. I doubt Florida, Tampa, Colorado, etc would bat an eye at throwing a 1st to Arizona to eat $6 million in cap space, even prorated.

 

[Fishhead]

It's not the length of time that's the issue. Arizona is going to have a number of teams looking to them to eat cap space for them, so it's going to be a bidding war to bribe them to do it. I doubt Florida, Tampa, Colorado, etc would bat an eye at throwing a 1st to Arizona to eat $6 million in cap space, even prorated.

Yeah they are a dumping ground for sure. It's all going to come down to how desperate teams are this year. Our picks certainly don't hold as much weight as they did the past few years as the team is improving.

 

[Kurrilino]

Kupari + 1st for Clayton Keller. We need help on the wing.

You seriously want to trade a 1st + Kupari for an undersized guy who barely cracked the 20 goals once in his career?

I do not think so and am happy that Blakes didn't do anything like that so far

 

[Kurrilino]

For two 23 year old stars that are locked in contract? Hell yeah I include Clark for Keller and Chych

And hell to the no is the answer

 

[Kurrilino]

I think the Kings are buyers at the deadline and possibly before the deadline. Because they have played hard, succeeded and shown they can beat any team and in any building.
They have been resilient and playing for each other. And the other reason being, this team can make the playoffs, but give them 1 or 2 more top level players; ideally a top 4 LHD
and / or 1 more goal scoring winger, they will push their way into the playoffs...not a rental player, but someone under 30 that has some term. (preferably younger, but do not see them afraid of getting someone upwards of 30-31 with some term and playoff experience)

With over 15 top assets, why not? Would it be more ideal to wait until Summer? Maybe. You do not always have perfect timing and when a certain player you covet can be had,
you make the move. Can keep all untouchables as well. QB, Clarke, Kaliyev and more than likely the next group of untouchables: Turcotte, Chromiak, Faber.
That still leaves a massive pool: Vilardi, Kupari, Grans, Fagemo, Spence, Thomas, JAD, Madden, Andersson, Pinelli, Simontaival, Strand the 2022 1st rounder. ATM would want
to hang onto Moverare and Helenius. Need LHD depth. I would not call Helenius untouchable, but since they signed him and want his size and toughness, think they would
not move him.

The Kings are absolutely not buyers at the deadline.
We are absolutely overperforming and no trade in any kind or shape will make us a contender.
To be honest, we should be closer bot not even be in the playoff

 

[Kurrilino]

I think we're buyers at the deadline. I just wonder what it would take to get Keller out of ARI. Would Kupari, JAD, 1st be enough to land Keller? We could really use him on the wing. Or maybe go after the likes of Olofsson in BUF or Batherson in OTT?

May i ask why you are so obsessed with Keller?
We already have Arvidson which is a slightly better Keller clone

 

[Kurrilino]

Until Turcotte can accomplish 1/4 of what Brown has accomplished in his career in the NHL,this is a waste of time.This is just the usual need for some to complain about Brown. I will admit,I hope Brown plays on the team for another 2 years, so I can continue to read the Dustin Browns hate clubs entertaining posts. Once Brown retires,the Kings board will never be the same.

Brown has 2 Stanley Cups. 1/4 would be 25% of a Stanley Cup which Turcotte already has until proven otherwise
Beside that Turcotte already has a Gold Medal in international Hockey
So Turcotte is already far ahead of your asking performance

I am one of the biggest Brown supporters, i nerver wore another number than 23 since he started.
We here at home still love him for all he did for the KIngs andall kinds of charity.
But the purpose of a NHL team is to win a Stanley Cup every year, not once.
His time has come and just watching him decay very rapidly is more and more painful

 

[KingsFan7824]

I wouldn't add Clarke. He'll take over for Doughty in a couple years.

I'm not talking about anyone specifically, but I think the Kings are done thinking about a couple years into the future. Whether it's investing in late 20's players like Danault, Arvidsson, Iafallo, and Petersen, the veteran veterans, or soon to be Kempe, that's a lot of money.

Not like the Kings were ready in 2011. They gave up a bunch of future assets before getting out of the 1st rd of the playoffs. You can wait forever.

Not saying trade Clarke at the drop of a hat, or at all, but they're not a rebuilding team anymore. Get some vets, sprinkle in some ELC production, and that's about all you can hope for.

 

[dman3474]

I think it would be a boost to the morale of the team if Blake went out and got someone to help and fill a weak roster spot. A "you guys are working hard and on the cusp of making the playoffs, here is (insert player hopefully on a contract with term) to help make the playoffs this year and going forward" type of move to show faith in the team.

Definitely doesnt need to be a superstar, but more than a temporary filler player

 

[bmr]

The Kings are absolutely not buyers at the deadline.
We are absolutely overperforming and no trade in any kind or shape will make us a contender.
To be honest, we should be closer bot not even be in the playoff

Disagree completely. The advanced statistics show this. The only reason we aren't higher in the standings is special teams. With the emergence of Durzi, return of Edler (hopefully) and additions of Arvidsson and Danault...we are absolutely in a position to contend. We have too much forward depth and a smart asset move for Blake would be to look for one more impact LHD.

AA and Grundstrom look like odd men out at some point. They just don't seem to fit the team dynamic. Let's look realistically at the Kings lineup and see where the holes are:

Iafallo-Kopitar-Kempe
Arvidsson-Danault-Moore
Brown-Byfield-AA
Lemieux-Lizotte-Kaliyev

You could make the argument that Kaliyev deserves to be higher up in the lineup, but I don't think that happens until next year. We will either sign Brown back for 1-yr on a smaller deal or he's done. Byfield still needs some seasoning, but he already has the toolset. Who in this lineup are you going to take out? Kupari, Grundstrom, Fagemo, Turcotte, etc.. aren't better options. You could give Vilardi another chance at some point depending on injuries/COVID. JAD absolutely looks ready. Some players will need to go.

Defensively:

Doughty, Durzi, Roy, Anderson, Bjornfot, Edler (assuming all healthy)

How could you not see this team as a contender? Are we better than Colorado? No...but this team is definitely good enough to make the playoffs and potentially win a round.

 

[eleventy]

remember pre-season Tkachev-Vilardi-Andersson? That was fun.

 

[bmr]

remember pre-season Tkachev-Vilardi-Andersson? That was fun.

Just goes to show that pre-season doesn't mean diddly dick. Kopitar looked like ass all pre-season and then he lit it up in the first game. Those 3 disappeared.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Just goes to show that pre-season doesn't mean diddly dick. Kopitar looked like ass all pre-season and then he lit it up in the first game. Those 3 disappeared.

Byfield looked pretty damn good too....not that he doesn't look good now, he's fine....but whole different level when the games count.

 

[Schmooley]

remember pre-season Tkachev-Vilardi-Andersson? That was fun.

I think Anderrson got hurt before the first game and it put a wrench in that line

 

[Schmooley]

Just goes to show that pre-season doesn't mean diddly dick. Kopitar looked like ass all pre-season and then he lit it up in the first game. Those 3 disappeared.

Kopitar had a good first game and looks about the same right now as he did in the preseason

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Jeez, I forgot Andersson was still around.

 

[apocalypse]

I'm not talking about anyone specifically, but I think the Kings are done thinking about a couple years into the future. Whether it's investing in late 20's players like Danault, Arvidsson, Iafallo, and Petersen, the veteran veterans, or soon to be Kempe, that's a lot of money.

Not like the Kings were ready in 2011. They gave up a bunch of future assets before getting out of the 1st rd of the playoffs. You can wait forever.

Not saying trade Clarke at the drop of a hat, or at all, but they're not a rebuilding team anymore. Get some vets, sprinkle in some ELC production, and that's about all you can hope for.

What are we gonna do when Doughty retires? Count on some 3rd round pick to take over top pairing duties? You have to somewhat plan for the future. I'm not against dealing Kupari, Madden or one of our other top forward prospects, but you have to plan for the future. Which is why I see Turcotte as being such a valued member of our prospect core and I would never trade him. I would deal someone else besides him. For me, our untouchables are Byfield, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Vilardi and Clarke.

 

[bmr]

Kopitar had a good first game and looks about the same right now as he did in the preseason

He's still leading the team in points...and it's not really that close.

 

[bland]

yes, sir.



And you are basing this on what exactly? Watching him in the WJC? His play in Ontario? Sounds like you got Turc all figured out and the coaching staff for the Kings missed the memo.

Oh, okay, I get it now.

Turns out we need a starter forum for folks with reading comprehesion issues.