Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Raccoon Jesus]

My thought on Forsberg is will the points translate? Nashville have a very Kings-esque focus on defense first, they always have. Arvidsson came in and his ppg skyrocket over his last couple of seasons. Would the same happen with Forsberg? If it did he'd be worth the cost.

I view him as similar risk to Chychrun. Great player when on, but has durability issues. Might work out great, might not. I don't think we are quite at the point where the risk is worth it.

I just think he'll get 9 million and not be worth that.

If we could get him for 7-8, I'd be on board, I guess. I just feel like 9 million goes towards the Gaudreaus and NEXT years UFAs other than Forsberg's peak season.

THAT being said, Kempe-Kopitar-Forsberg looks really really nice.

 

[BringTheReign]

My thought on Forsberg is will the points translate? Nashville have a very Kings-esque focus on defense first, they always have. Arvidsson came in and his ppg skyrocket over his last couple of seasons. Would the same happen with Forsberg? If it did he'd be worth the cost.

I view him as similar risk to Chychrun. Great player when on, but has durability issues. Might work out great, might not. I don't think we are quite at the point where the risk is worth it.

They don't do that anymore. Hynes is not that type of coach. They were an offense-focused team, but didn't have the scoring depth to push legit contenders.

 

[Kudelski37]

The Kings definitely need a right handed forward. It would help open up some plays on the power play. When Kempe and the D at the point are the only players in a position for a one timer, it is easier to defend and for a goalie to anticipate when/where there will be a shot.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Kings definitely need a right handed forward. It would help open up some plays on the power play. When Kempe and the D at the point are the only players in a position for a one timer, it is easier to defend and for a goalie to anticipate when/where there will be a shot.

That's Sammy Fagemo's music!

 

[BringTheReign]

I can't remember a recent market as great as this one for top 6 wingers. Fiala, Tkachuk or Gaudreau, Forsberg, Miller, etc. They don't all fit our timeline or cap plans, but that's quite a bundle of great players. I'd prefer Fiala or Tkachuk for sure, but we'll see.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I can't remember a recent market as great as this one for top 6 wingers. Fiala, Tkachuk or Gaudreau, Forsberg, Miller, etc. They don't all fit our timeline or cap plans, but that's quite a bundle of great players. I'd prefer Fiala or Tkachuk for sure, but we'll see.

Next season's so far is even better, which is why I advocate NOT overpaying this year if so

Sign me up for Pastrnak
but Kane, Tarasenko, Patches, Meier, Huberdeau...

Sure some will get signed but wow

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Next season's so far is even better, which is why I advocate NOT overpaying this year if so

Sign me up for Pastrnak
but Kane, Tarasenko, Patches, Meier, Huberdeau...

Sure some will get signed but wow

Out of those, Tarasenko, Pacioretty and Meier MAYBE the ones that get to the open market, assuming no one trades for them and resigns them.

Not advocating go blow it all now on UFA, but not sure if forecasting what UFAs there might be 2 years ahead is a wise management move....sorry, cant sign Forsberg because Huberdeau MIGHT be available, somehow I don't see that as optimal.

 

[Master Yoda]

Next season's so far is even better, which is why I advocate NOT overpaying this year if so

Sign me up for Pastrnak
but Kane, Tarasenko, Patches, Meier, Huberdeau...

Sure some will get signed but wow

The real question is, would any of them sign with LA?
Going by history, none of them would, but perhaps Blake has built enough bridges for these types of UFAs to come sign like Danault did.
But then again, those guys you listed are on another level and the Kings have never been able to sign one of those types.
The attraction to Forsberg is that he has connections with Arvidsson and the thought is that he may be willing to sign with LA.
There's no reason any of those other elite UFAs would sign with LA except for a vast overpayment.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Out of those, Tarasenko, Pacioretty and Meier MAYBE the ones that get to the open market, assuming no one trades for them and resigns them.

Not advocating go blow it all now on UFA, but not sure if forecasting what UFAs there might be 2 years ahead is a wise management move....sorry, cant sign Forsberg because Huberdeau MIGHT be available, somehow I don't see that as optimal.

It's not how GMs work. DL got Ryan Smyth, because at the time, it made the Kings better. With of course no thought of, it's cool, we'll get Richards in a couple years. No, he was fine continuing with Smyth. If he didn't want to go back to Canada, and the Flyers didn't clean house as they usually don't, really no reason Smyth isn't back in 11-12. Penner, no need for Gagne, Simmonds is still there, and Schenn would've gotten into games.

There was no, now we're ready to win, so we must do this or that. You're not getting Richards for Schenn and Simmonds unless the Flyers were willing to trade him. You don't seek out a franchise player to acquire. There's no forcing the Flyers to trade him just because you want to win.

If there's a guy Blake thinks makes the team better today, he'll try to get him. If he can't, then it's, well we'll see about next summer. But, in the meantime, if there's another Arvidsson to get, while not a game changer, if he can get the team a couple extra win, it's a plus.

 

[BigKing]

The real question is, would any of them sign with LA?
Going by history, none of them would, but perhaps Blake has built enough bridges for these types of UFAs to come sign like Danault did.
But then again, those guys you listed are on another level and the Kings have never been able to sign one of those types.
The attraction to Forsberg is that he has connections with Arvidsson and the thought is that he may be willing to sign with LA.
There's no reason any of those other elite UFAs would sign with LA except for a vast overpayment.

The tax situation and the travel are two giant negatives but the fact that the franchise proved you could actually win here probably changes the UFA outlook moving forward. These UFAs are all guys that--for the most part--were in pro hockey during the 2012-16 stretch when the Kings were either winning or thought to be winners.

Blake has also pretty much done right by every vet that was sold-off during the rebuild and is apparently riding the "Core Four" all the way into retirement. I imagine that has to resonate with current players.

Danault could have gone to a "better" team in a tax-free state but still chose a team that had won only one playoff game in seven seasons.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The real question is, would any of them sign with LA?
Going by history, none of them would, but perhaps Blake has built enough bridges for these types of UFAs to come sign like Danault did.
But then again, those guys you listed are on another level and the Kings have never been able to sign one of those types.
The attraction to Forsberg is that he has connections with Arvidsson and the thought is that he may be willing to sign with LA.
There's no reason any of those other elite UFAs would sign with LA except for a vast overpayment.

Which is the case with most teams. Unless you're the Rangers, Leafs, and maybe the Habs, money is all that matters. Again, unless you're an old Cupless vet who will attach himself to any top 5 team for a couple bucks.

 

[Docgonzo]

If the Kings are doing the waiting game for big UFAs then they might as well wait for Matthews. He’s the only big free agent I can see possibly coming here since we’re close to Arizona and in a better position franchise wise. But that’s still a long shot. No free agents sign with west coast teams unless it’s an overpayment.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The tax situation and the travel are two giant negatives but the fact that the franchise proved you could actually win here probably changes the UFA outlook moving forward. These UFAs are all guys that--for the most part--were in pro hockey during the 2012-16 stretch when the Kings were either winning or thought to be winners.

Blake has also pretty much done right by every vet that was sold-off during the rebuild and is apparently riding the "Core Four" all the way into retirement. I imagine that has to resonate with current players.

Danault could have gone to a "better" team in a tax-free state but still chose a team that had won only one playoff game in seven seasons.

They gave him $33m over 6 years for 55g in 392GP, or 11.5 per 82 games. That's why he's here. Money is far more guaranteed than any win, and certainly a Cup.

And I don't think it matters who the GM is with the Cup core. They were all getting contracts after 2012, and none of them were going to go anywhere if they didn't want to. That's what happens with franchise guys when they win.

 

[BigKing]

They gave him $33m over 6 years for 55g in 392GP, or 11.5 per 82 games. That's why he's here. Money is far more guaranteed than any win, and certainly a Cup.

And I don't think it matters who the GM is with the Cup core. They were all getting contracts after 2012, and none of them were going to go anywhere if they didn't want to. That's what happens with franchise guys when they win.

Pretty sure the Vegas offer was similar so this was not a Kovalchuk case. Think it was the same money as Montreal as well.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Pretty sure the Vegas offer was similar so this was not a Kovalchuk case. Think it was the same money as Montreal as well.

I doubt Danault cares about 2012 or 2014. That guy thinks his team can win whoever is on it. If you want to say they promised him a greater offensive role here, that I can buy. It isn't it like they hasn't signed in demand veteran free agents before they won. Duchesne, Galley, Schneider, Conroy, Demitra.

 

[kingsfan28]

I doubt Danault cares about 2012 or 2014. That guy thinks his team can win whoever is on it. If you want to say they promised him a greater offensive role here, that I can buy. It isn't it like they hasn't signed in demand veteran free agents before they won. Duchesne, Galley, Schneider, Conroy, Demitra.

I think in one of his first interviews after signing he said Blake told him exactly how he going to be used, in a more offensive role and not just a shut down guy. The guy could score goals all along and MTL never used him in that role. Absolute home run for Blake here.

 

[BigKing]

I doubt Danault cares about 2012 or 2014. That guy thinks his team can win whoever is on it. If you want to say they promised him a greater offensive role here, that I can buy. It isn't it like they hasn't signed in demand veteran free agents before they won. Duchesne, Galley, Schneider, Conroy, Demitra.

The belief is that they miss out on big-ticket free agents all of the time. You just had to go back to the late 90's and pull some aging vets to help make your point. Classic Lombardi "get to play at the beach" guys.

Vegas has been a perennial playoff team and just lost in the conference finals in large part to Danault's defensive play. Maybe Danault liked the long-term winning potential over five years v. the "right now" potential but nobody would look at the two rosters and think LA was better. If the money is the same--and then better taxes in Vegas--then it wasn't all about money.

Whatever Blake sold, Danault bought. My point is that the Kings were able to nab a top-flight free agent--for apparently the first time since Demitra--without having to simply overpay in dollars or years.

Sure, Danault could be an exception but I'm trying to give Blake credit--something I don't go out of my way to do--and you're telling me that the reputation of the franchise and anything Blake has done means nothing to potential UFAs: it's just the money.

 

[kingsfan28]

I just think he'll get 9 million and not be worth that.

If we could get him for 7-8, I'd be on board, I guess. I just feel like 9 million goes towards the Gaudreaus and NEXT years UFAs other than Forsberg's peak season.

THAT being said, Kempe-Kopitar-Forsberg looks really really nice.

Pretty spot on . 9-10 mil at least. I also have some issues with his injuries, is this going to be like Gaborik, who only plays 60 games a year? He hasn't played a full season since 2016.

 

[Master Yoda]

I doubt Danault cares about 2012 or 2014. That guy thinks his team can win whoever is on it. If you want to say they promised him a greater offensive role here, that I can buy. It isn't it like they hasn't signed in demand veteran free agents before they won. Duchesne, Galley, Schneider, Conroy, Demitra.

Demitra might be the only one that could be maybe considered a top level guy at the time. None of the others compare to guys we were talking about like Gaudreau, Pastrnak, Kane, Huberdeau, etc.

These guys just don't sign with west coast teams (except maybe Vancouver) unless they have special/personal connections (Niedermeyer).

Which is the case with most teams. Unless you're the Rangers, Leafs, and maybe the Habs, money is all that matters. Again, unless you're an old Cupless vet who will attach himself to any top 5 team for a couple bucks.

In most cases, money is all that matters, but if many teams are offering the same money, they're not going to be choosing LA, or most other Western teams.
I think that's why you don't see top level guys coming, because you can overpay for second tier or mid-level guys, but everybody offers top money for the top guys.
Like I said and the point BigKing is making, perhaps Blake and co has done something to make LA a place players, even the elite ones, want to come. That's still to be determined though.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There's a lot of people thinking they're arguing with me but actually agreeing with me.

I'm not saying let's wait around and hope.

I'm saying now may NOT be the time and if we're going to OVERspend on a guy, out of that entire list, Forsberg is by far the least of the difference-makers yet will somehow command within a million of the same price tag.

Miss on Forsberg and Gaudreau and it's not the end of the world is all, we're likely not one player away from a Cup. Stay patient, a window will open, and with a little luck, you can land a better player. See: Carter, Richards. Again, not 'hope' for that, but keep the powder dry, you'll know when it's time. Maybe Boston decides they want to move Pasta and rebuild in full, for example.

 

[BigKing]

I'd like Tkachuk, even with the salary, but I am hopelessly biased since Keith is my favorite all-time player.

If we can't have Matthew, maybe bring Keith out of retirement but stick him in net at his current size.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Want to add a value player with good play driving stats that may break out soon.

Would go for Kadri. Not because his points will stay where they are or because he is elite, but because he is destroying the Blues. Knocked out the goalie without a penalty & scored a hat trick the next game while drawing penalties.

If you get a chance to sign a Forsberg it would be hard to pass on even though this might not be the best time to add that piece.

The King's should be a good destination this year. They are a playoff team with the cap space to add a free agent. How many good teams have the money to add with the flat cap?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Want to add a value player with good play driving stats that may break out soon.

Would go for Kadri. Not because his points will stay where they are or because he is elite, but because he is destroying the Blues. Knocked out the goalie without a penalty & scored a hat trick the next game while drawing penalties.

If you get a chance to sign a Forsberg it would be hard to pass on even though this might not be the best time to add that piece.

The King's should be a good destination this year. They are a playoff team with the cap space to add a free agent. How many good teams have the money to add with the flat cap?

Kadri def. makes the Kings harder to play against and fits that Schenn/Turcotte mold the org seems to be going for

but based on his point totals, he gets paiiiiiiid even more than Forsberg imo

But scumbag or not I'd love him here,

 

[BigKing]

Would welcome a scumbag to this team but Kadri will be 32 at next season's puck drop.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Stay young. Believe in Byfield and Vilardi. Add a LD with toughness. Add a KW with toughness and can contribute offensively.

LW

Do you believe in Byfield and Vilardi? It sure doesn’t look like the Kings do.