Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[No Name The Nameless]

Next season's so far is even better, which is why I advocate NOT overpaying this year if so

Sign me up for Pastrnak
but Kane, Tarasenko, Patches, Meier, Huberdeau...

Sure some will get signed but wow

Those are some oldies in there.

 

[Little Psycho]

The amount he was hit I'm not surprised

 

[Schmooley]

The amount he was hit I'm not surprised

If he was playing with a separated shoulder you gotta give him even more respect. He was leaving it all on the ice.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

The amount he was hit I'm not surprised

Not enough people here talking about Durzi with the constant whining about development and the need for some of the kids to ‘pop’.

Durzi f***ing popped, kid is a stud.

 

[kilowatt]

Not enough people here talking about Durzi with the constant whining about development and the need for some of the kids to ‘pop’.

Durzi f***ing popped, kid is a stud.

I think pretty much everyone is excited about our young defense, it’s the forwards that are concerning!

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I think pretty much everyone is excited about our young defense, it’s the forwards that are concerning!

If we have an abundance of studs on D, then we trade them for forwards.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Not enough people here talking about Durzi with the constant whining about development and the need for some of the kids to ‘pop’.

Durzi f***ing popped, kid is a stud.

That's because Durzi f***ing popped on accident, not organizational genius of design.

He was literally called up as like the 10th d-man. Without a near-historic run of injuries, he likely wouldn't even have sniffed NHL ice.

He's gotten tons of accolades as he should, dude compensates for ANYTHING missing in his game with balls bigger than the rest of the team combined and just sheer heart and desire. I feel really good about our future with character guys like him and Mikey in the lineup, those guys HATE to lose and it shows, and that's exactly the kind of character needed to take over.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

That's because Durzi f***ing popped on accident, not organizational genius of design.

He was literally called up as like the 10th d-man. Without a near-historic run of injuries, he likely wouldn't even have sniffed NHL

lol, ok dude.

 

[kilowatt]

If we have an abundance of studs on D, then we trade them for forwards.

You don’t have to tell me. I’ve advocated for trading all of our young forwards. I don’t think Todd will put them in positions to succeed.

That's because Durzi f***ing popped on accident, not organizational genius of design.

He was literally called up as like the 10th d-man. Without a near-historic run of injuries, he likely wouldn't even have sniffed NHL ice.

He's gotten tons of accolades as he should, dude compensates for ANYTHING missing in his game with balls bigger than the rest of the team combined and just sheer heart and desire. I feel really good about our future with character guys like him and Mikey in the lineup, those guys HATE to lose and it shows, and that's exactly the kind of character needed to take over.

Was he actually though? Doughty went down in game 5 against Dallas and Maatta came in. Walker went down in game seven and Strand came in. Clague swapped in for Strand the next game and played about 10 games as the 6D, and then Durzi came up in late November.

I agree that without injuries, Durzi likely doesn’t play until next season (if at all), but it’s not like Clague wasn’t ahead on the depth chart, and I know both of us were upset losing Clague. That’s a miss on our part.

If anything, it was a pretty damn bold choice to waive Clague and call up Durzi. It probably didn’t happen sooner because LA was on a Canadian road trip to be honest.

Our forward prospects and defense prospects are given night and day treatment though, I’ll die on that hill.

 

[unicornpig]

crazy that the only people i've put on ignore are kings fans.

 

[King'sPawn]

That's because Durzi f***ing popped on accident, not organizational genius of design.

He was literally called up as like the 10th d-man. Without a near-historic run of injuries, he likely wouldn't even have sniffed NHL ice.

He's gotten tons of accolades as he should, dude compensates for ANYTHING missing in his game with balls bigger than the rest of the team combined and just sheer heart and desire. I feel really good about our future with character guys like him and Mikey in the lineup, those guys HATE to lose and it shows, and that's exactly the kind of character needed to take over.

Oh... are we talking about a defenseman when we keep talking about forwards?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You don’t have to tell me. I’ve advocated for trading all of our young forwards. I don’t think Todd will put them in positions to succeed.

Was he actually though? Doughty went down in game 5 against Dallas and Maatta came in. Walker went down in game seven and Strand came in. Clague swapped in for Strand the next game and played about 10 games as the 6D, and then Durzi came up in late November.

I agree that without injuries, Durzi likely doesn’t play until next season (if at all), but it’s not like Clague wasn’t ahead on the depth chart, and I know both of us were upset losing Clague. That’s a miss on our part.

If anything, it was a pretty damn bold choice to waive Clague and call up Durzi. It probably didn’t happen sooner because LA was on a Canadian road trip to be honest.

Our forward prospects and defense prospects are given night and day treatment though, I’ll die on that hill.

I mean I pulled that number out of my butt but it appears right

Doughty
Anderson
Maatta
Roy
Walker
Edler
Strand
Clague
Wolanin

All played before Durzi this year.

Don't tell me that's the residue of design, not when you see how all the other prospects had been treated as well. This is as consistent as it is with the Fs. "welp we're all out of options" isn't genius.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Very few of the young guys were supposed to be in the lineup. That was the design.

1 way contracts. Career GP. We'll find out how many young guys they expect to be on the roster come October by the time the first few days of free agency are over.

 

[unicornpig]

I mean I pulled that number out of my butt but it appears right

Doughty
Anderson
Maatta
Roy
Walker
Edler
Strand
Clague
Wolanin

All played before Durzi this year.

Don't tell me that's the residue of design, not when you see how all the other prospects had been treated as well. This is as consistent as it is with the Fs. "welp we're all out of options" isn't genius.

it was a blessing that the kings were hit with injuries. mcllelan and co. would never have given durzi or sepence time.

 

[KingsFan7824]

it was a blessing that the kings were hit with injuries. mcllelan and co. would never have given durzi or sepence time.

Blame Blake for signing too many players. If the vet isn't there, TM has no choice but to play young guys.

 

[All The Kings Men]

I mean I pulled that number out of my butt but it appears right

Doughty
Anderson
Maatta
Roy
Walker
Edler
Strand
Clague
Wolanin

All played before Durzi this year.

Don't tell me that's the residue of design, not when you see how all the other prospects had been treated as well. This is as consistent as it is with the Fs. "welp we're all out of options" isn't genius.

I might have the timeline wrong in my head but didn't Clague also play first?

EDIT : Yes. He did.

Clague played 10/30 - 11/21

Durzi's first game was 11/24

Clague was claimed on waivers in early December

 

[Fishhead]

To be fair here, Durzi left a lot to be desired defensively. I personally thought he would be a tire fire out there, and he was for the first game or so. After that it just clicked in and he improved rapidly.

That list would have been even longer if I was in charge, I would have brought up Spence before Durzi as well. No way did I think Sean was ready, based on his AHL play. Shows how much I know, I guess.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I might have the timeline wrong in my head but didn't Clague also play first?

EDIT : Yes. He did.

Clague played 10/30 - 11/21

Durzi's first game was 11/24

Clague was claimed on waivers in early December

My memory may not be great, but I think Durzi got the shot because the King's badly needed to replace Doughty on the PP & Clague wasn't cutting it there.

 

[Fishhead]

My memory may not be great, but I think Durzi got the shot because the King's badly needed to replace Doughty on the PP & Clague wasn't cutting it there.

That probably was it, and credit Blake for moving Clague out. I don't think he got the fairest of shots here, but they realized he wasn't cutting it quickly and moved him out which was best for both parties. Considering Clague has done even less for Montreal in a much looser system and environment, they were spot on.

It's obvious Durzi wasn't their prime choice to step in, and objectively he shouldn't have been. But they were open enough to give him a shot and it worked out. I've always been a proponent of giving every young guy we could some games with the big club this year, and it's at least identified one guy everyone had pretty much written off. Mass props to Durzi for having confidence, balls, and not playing scared and shitting the bed like a lot of the guys coming up have done.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Wasn’t Bergevin the GM who claimed Clague? Or was he working from home in Newport Beach for the Kings at that point?

 

[kilowatt]

I mean I pulled that number out of my butt but it appears right

Doughty
Anderson
Maatta
Roy
Walker
Edler
Strand
Clague
Wolanin

All played before Durzi this year.

Don't tell me that's the residue of design, not when you see how all the other prospects had been treated as well. This is as consistent as it is with the Fs. "welp we're all out of options" isn't genius.

Wolanin didn’t play until after Durzi debuted. I still think we signed a lot of depth this year as a response to COVID, no one really knew at the beginning of the year how the season or the virus would play out. Durzi didn’t have to clear waivers so we used Clague as our 7D until injuries opened a spot. I mean, given the opening night roster, who sits for Durzi? Walker? Roy?

Durzi beat Walker’s career high last year by three points, but in fairness to Walker, he didn’t get the power play time Durzi did by having Doughty out all season.

We’ll know a lot more this summer obviously, all we can do is speculate. But yeah, it’s hard to know when to move guys. We were all saying “Durzi’s good offensively, but his defense is a tire fire!” in the prospect rankings before the season! He was what, our 10th best-voted defenseman? We’re all just as big of idiots as management in that case

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Wolanin didn’t play until after Durzi debuted. I still think we signed a lot of depth this year as a response to COVID, no one really knew at the beginning of the year how the season or the virus would play out. Durzi didn’t have to clear waivers so we used Clague as our 7D until injuries opened a spot. I mean, given the opening night roster, who sits for Durzi? Walker? Roy?

Durzi beat Walker’s career high last year by three points, but in fairness to Walker, he didn’t get the power play time Durzi did by having Doughty out all season.

We’ll know a lot more this summer obviously, all we can do is speculate. But yeah, it’s hard to know when to move guys. We were all saying “Durzi’s good offensively, but his defense is a tire fire!” in the prospect rankings before the season! He was what, our 10th best-voted defenseman? We’re all just as big of idiots as management in that case

Wolanin debuted Nov. 8th, Durzi not until the 24th.

Oh I for sure thought he wouldn't be an NHLer. I was harder on Durzi's NHL future than anyone but maybe @bland and I was all in on Clague getting opportunity (funny enough in retrospect my complaints about Clague echo those about the forwards). I'm not pretending I'm a better manager by any means. but this myth that the Kings front office was geniuses on the D is insane when difference-making guys weren't getting minutes until everyone in front of them died.

Hell even when we were going 15 d-men deep, they were benching Spence. And you saw how the forwards were treated.

Call me a pessimist but looking at the body of work doesn't tell me "they couldn't wait to call up Durzi because they knew what they had." That's all. The only person who gets props in this case is Durzi himself for balling out and keeping a death grip on the job even with a shoulder needing surgery, playing Drew's minutes, and going up vs. the best in the world night in and night out.

 

[kilowatt]

Wolanin debuted Nov. 8th, Durzi not until the 24th.

Oh I for sure thought he wouldn't be an NHLer. I was harder on Durzi's NHL future than anyone but maybe @bland and I was all in on Clague getting opportunity (funny enough in retrospect my complaints about Clague echo those about the forwards). I'm not pretending I'm a better manager by any means. but this myth that the Kings front office was geniuses on the D is insane when difference-making guys weren't getting minutes until everyone in front of them died.

Hell even when we were going 15 d-men deep, they were benching Spence. And you saw how the forwards were treated.

Call me a pessimist but looking at the body of work doesn't tell me "they couldn't wait to call up Durzi because they knew what they had." That's all. The only person who gets props in this case is Durzi himself for balling out and keeping a death grip on the job even with a shoulder needing surgery, playing Drew's minutes, and going up vs. the best in the world night in and night out.

Wolanin debuted November 8… for Buffalo. He didn’t make his debut in LA until December.

 

[kilowatt]

Wolanin debuted Nov. 8th, Durzi not until the 24th.

Oh I for sure thought he wouldn't be an NHLer. I was harder on Durzi's NHL future than anyone but maybe @bland and I was all in on Clague getting opportunity (funny enough in retrospect my complaints about Clague echo those about the forwards). I'm not pretending I'm a better manager by any means. but this myth that the Kings front office was geniuses on the D is insane when difference-making guys weren't getting minutes until everyone in front of them died.

Hell even when we were going 15 d-men deep, they were benching Spence. And you saw how the forwards were treated.

Call me a pessimist but looking at the body of work doesn't tell me "they couldn't wait to call up Durzi because they knew what they had." That's all. The only person who gets props in this case is Durzi himself for balling out and keeping a death grip on the job even with a shoulder needing surgery, playing Drew's minutes, and going up vs. the best in the world night in and night out.

I didn’t say the front office were geniuses. I don’t think they were particularly smart in any facet this season except signing Danault. I just don’t think they did anything egregious on defense either.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I didn’t say the front office were geniuses. I don’t think they were particularly smart in any facet this season except signing Danault. I just don’t think they did anything egregious on defense either.

For sure, I'm just tracing this all back to the initial comment, which was the idea that no one should be whining about development because Durzi as if he disproves a mountain of other evidence...he doesn't even disprove his own handling in any respect other than giving everyone the middle finger when given the chance. He's not even an exception and was being used as the rule!