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Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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Sol said:
So there is two acceptable lines of thinking for this. I want to know which one you fall under.

Kings can take the chance and hope the prospects take a big step forward next year or if they don’t then the kings immediately rebuild again. That’s fine. Not delaying the inevitable and playing it safe with not making expensive ufa buys.

Logic #2 the kings sign someone like Forsberg not because he’s great but he’s young enough that the Kings can remain relatively competitive if the prospects fail. Which is likely. There’s nothing to suggest they wouldn’t, however you can’t build a contending team like this I believe. Because you’d be in the top 15-20 in standings and not really go anywhere else.

The only two good things about number one is that management would definitely get fired and the Kings can be building the correct way to a cup team.

The only good things about the second logic is that they are competitive, and will stave off a massive cratering. A good safety net.

The bad thing about number one is the chance they can never get out of rebuild phase by not doing it correctly so sucking for a while will blow

The bad thing about number two I don’t think you can build a contender this way and the management would stay
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If the Kings want to make a short-term signing where it's a legit good deal, sure. But we both know Forsberg will be asking for a lot, and in the latter half of his deal, you and many others will hate it and want to jettison him.

But the Kings need to lean on their prospects and do a better job integrating them sooner. They can't wait 8 years to break out like they did for Kempe.

Whatever choices they make, it can't come at the cost of developing from within. That's all I'm saying.
 
King'sPawn said:
If the Kings want to make a short-term signing where it's a legit good deal, sure. But we both know Forsberg will be asking for a lot, and in the latter half of his deal, you and many others will hate it and want to jettison him.

But the Kings need to lean on their prospects and do a better job integrating them sooner. They can't wait 8 years to break out like they did for Kempe.

Whatever choices they make, it can't come at the cost of developing from within. That's all I'm saying.
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I get it but there’s definitely a point to be made that there is an important question to ask what the hell are they developing into, and how far does it go ? If it’s not far then the Kings will be rebuilding soon.
 
Sol said:
Duality of Kings fan right there RJ. He’s a good player consistently. What move would you do on offense to stave off the possibility of cratering next season ?

9 million for 84 points. I’d do it. Unless you want to give significant assets for a player that makes you feel more comfortable. Either you have an unusual amount of hope in the prospects AND the coaching, or you’re being unreasonable about the situations and the available solutions.
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The thing is I partially agree with you, i just massively disagree about the player.

It's why I suggested Gaudreau instead, a guy who is likely to age like Kane, and is an automatic shot to the PP and offense while being a natural wing.
 
Sol said:
I get it but there’s definitely a point to be made that there is an important question to ask what the hell are they developing into, and how far does it go ? If it’s not far then the Kings will be rebuilding soon.
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Fair questions. But this is where I am more demanding. Some may call me unreasonable.

I expect the Kings to have at least one rookie from this season play in the top 6 next season, and at least two rookies from this season to score at least 35 points next season (putting them in the lower end of top-six forward scoring, but top-six nonetheless).

I expect them to make the playoffs while playing the rookies more and getting these numbers, as well as wholesale improvements in special teams.

Making the playoffs was the bare minimum of what I expected this season. I expect more next season.

If Blake and Co can't handle that, then I question Blake's ability to run the franchise.
 
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King'sPawn said:
Fair questions. But this is where I am more demanding. Some may call me unreasonable.

I expect the Kings to have at least one rookie from this season play in the top 6 next season, and at least two rookies from this season to score at least 35 points next season (putting them in the lower end of top-six forward scoring, but top-six nonetheless).

I expect them to make the playoffs while playing the rookies more and getting these numbers, as well as wholesale improvements in special teams.

Making the playoffs was the bare minimum of what I expected this season. I expect more next season.

If Blake and Co can't handle that, then I question Blake's ability to run the franchise.
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Expectations are the root of all fear and unhappiness.
 
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My thought on Forsberg is will the points translate? Nashville have a very Kings-esque focus on defense first, they always have. Arvidsson came in and his ppg skyrocket over his last couple of seasons. Would the same happen with Forsberg? If it did he'd be worth the cost.

I view him as similar risk to Chychrun. Great player when on, but has durability issues. Might work out great, might not. I don't think we are quite at the point where the risk is worth it.
 
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Forsberg would improve the team. Adding a LD & legit 3rd liner like Copp would also improve the team. Moore, Danault, Ardvidsson came out of nowhere. Don't always know what will work.

Was on the King's need another center train. Kopi was greatly helped with the defensive side by being paired with speedy wingers. Next year Byfield will hopefully have more than 20 games of experience. Add say Iafallo, Byfield & anything from Forsberg, Fiala, Trocheck, Copp, R. Strome, Zacha, Marchment, Nino... & The line should improve.

Replacing Maatta with a D that is good at offense so every time Maatta pinched you'd have a better chance to score, would help a ton.

Lots of ways to improve the team. I'd start with sign Edler for cheap. Long season there will be injuries. Then compile a list of players you want to target & order, free agent, trade, offersheet. Then go down that list until you find the one you like the best you can get. Kadri, Forsberg, Puljujarvi, Hoglander are near the top of my list. Marchment & Nino would be great. Barzal & Scheifele may be options too.

Option 1 high end player limits other moves. Kadri
Option 2, 4-5M more experienced, Trocheck, Nino
Option 3, 2-3M Cheaper allows for a better D & flexibility. Puljujarvi, Hoglander
 
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Herby said:
Could you imagine the kind of questions Blake would be getting in a Canadian market about the struggles of all his high picks?

Being the GM of the Kings has to be one of the least stressful GM jobs in American sports. No media pressure, your really good friend is the boss, your best friend from college works under you along with a bunch of your other buddies.
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I've lived in Canada my whole life and the media up here has never been softer on Canadian teams than now. The media up here have gone the cheerleader route. It's a shift I really noticed after SN took over from TSN
 
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Son of Craig Johnson, Kings development coach. Looks like he's going back to his 4th season at NCAA & rumored to be heading to LA after. Could also land on the Ducks I guess. Any info out there on this?
 
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Son of Craig Johnson, Kings development coach. Looks like he's going back to his 4th season at NCAA & rumored to be heading to LA after. Could also land on the Ducks I guess. Any info out there on this?
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Meh.
 
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Fishhead said:
My thought on Forsberg is will the points translate? Nashville have a very Kings-esque focus on defense first, they always have. Arvidsson came in and his ppg skyrocket over his last couple of seasons. Would the same happen with Forsberg? If it did he'd be worth the cost.

I view him as similar risk to Chychrun. Great player when on, but has durability issues. Might work out great, might not. I don't think we are quite at the point where the risk is worth it.
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Nashville fan here, Forsberg probably has twice as much talent as Arvidsson. He absolutely can be PPG winger who's above average defensively, BUT he always misses 10-15 games every season. take that for what it's worth.
 
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Matt13 said:
Do I remember correct a rumor that Sakic was willing to trade Landeskog but Lombardi was unwilling to trade LaDue in return?
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Allegedly, but the truth was that the Kings didn't have anything worthwhile to offer.


I guess that isn't the first time Kings fans highly overrated a prospect.
 
Matt13 said:
Do I remember correct a rumor that Sakic was willing to trade Landeskog but Lombardi was unwilling to trade LaDue in return?
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No, that meme has an origin from an Avs poster and became the bullshit fabled "LA WOULDNT TRADE LADUE FOR LANDESKOG" lie. I had the receipts at one point, it was all self-huffing from the Avs board.
 
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