Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Schrute farms]

No on Zucker.
Nic D -- I see what you are doing there, but i think we should higher (a bit younger with a bit more scoring skill). But not a bad idea if you are saving assets for a LHD trade.

If we bring a winger in, he needs to either have some elite scoring ability or be big/tough with some skill. Also needs to be on the right (younger) side of 30.

We have too many p***ys on this team. Yes, it's the modern game and all. But you can't have a full team of small guys who don't take the body and are afraid to give retribution. One big guy with skill would make a huge impact on this team. Whether that's LHD or a winger. Need to change the mindset. Theoretically, we need both a winger and LHD (via trade) -- one big mean guy with skill and the other skill-based who is willing & able to get physical & muck it up. I don't mean pure goons whose only skill is fighting. But we do need some guys who won't turtle and simply love hug a guy after they scramble a teammate's brains.

 

[johnjm22]

If we want size/toughness than Marchment makes the most sense out of all the UFA's. And he's actually a good hockey player.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

If we want size/toughness than Marchment makes the most sense out of all the UFA's. And he's actually a good hockey player.

I did a small amount of digging on the Panthers board a couple weeks back because he looks like a very appealing target. Not 100% but he might be more sizzle than whatever the good part of the saying is. Steak?

 

[johnjm22]

Friedman: - Miller extension unlikely with Canucks, timeline doesnt fit, and trade offers are going to be too good to pass up

Friedman with a radio hit on the Don and Dhaliwal show. - Extension looking unlikely with the Canucks and Miller as Canucks doesnt see Miller's age fitting their core competitive window. - Trade offers have started and this is playing a role in the Canucks decision as Friedman believes there...

hfboards.mandatory.com

Friedman thinks Canucks will likely trade JT Miller.

 

[Sol]

Friedman: - Miller extension unlikely with Canucks, timeline doesnt fit, and trade offers are going to be too good to pass up

Friedman with a radio hit on the Don and Dhaliwal show. - Extension looking unlikely with the Canucks and Miller as Canucks doesnt see Miller's age fitting their core competitive window. - Trade offers have started and this is playing a role in the Canucks decision as Friedman believes there...

hfboards.mandatory.com

Friedman thinks Canucks will likely trade JT Miller.

not interested. Would rather get Boeser.

 

[kinghock]

not interested. Would rather get Boeser.

I do not want either of them

 

[The Butcher]

Hey is Connor McDavid available? I think he'd be a great pick up.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I did a small amount of digging on the Panthers board a couple weeks back because he looks like a very appealing target. Not 100% but he might be more sizzle than whatever the good part of the saying is. Steak?

The problem with Marchment is you're banking almost entirely on a breakout year in a year when offense was up altogether.

But he does have all the tools. You just don't know for sure if you're getting the next Marchessault or the next Frattin.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Hey is Connor McDavid available? I think he'd be a great pick up.

But then he'd take a spot from one of the kids.

 

[johnjm22]

The problem with Marchment is you're banking almost entirely on a breakout year in a year when offense was up altogether.

But he does have all the tools. You just don't know for sure if you're getting the next Marchessault or the next Frattin.

That's precisely why he'd be cheaper though.

It' less risky than signing someone like Forsberg to a boat anchor contract IMO.

All the underlying metrics on him look good.

Moneyball Blake is always looking for value.

Kings have to have an actual 3rd line next season.

 

[Sol]

Duality of kings fans on here

Good player, expensive to trade for. Pass.
Good player , bad season, low value. Pass.
Mediocre player, mediocre season, mediocre value. Trade for him now !!!

Or my personal favorite

We aren’t going to trade our unproven prospects for a proven good player.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's precisely why he'd be cheaper though.

It' less risky than signing someone like Forsberg to a boat anchor contract IMO.

All the underlying metrics on him look good.

Moneyball Blake is always looking for value.

Kings have to have an actual 3rd line next season.

I don't disagree at all. I think he's got a lot in common with Trevor Moore, where if he doesn't give you full top-six value, at the very least he's a fantastic bottom sixer. I said a bit ago he's basically the quintessential Blake target between the metrics, the connections, the breakout, and the likely risk/value-to-money. All I'm saying is he's far less of a 'proven solution' than a Forsberg-type signing and we likely need one of those (not that I'm all in on Forsberg by any means, I actually dont want that signing).

 

[kinghock]

Duality of kings fans on here

Good player, expensive to trade for. Pass.
Good player , bad season, low value. Pass.
Mediocre player, mediocre season, mediocre value. Trade for him now !!!

Or my personal favorite

We aren’t going to trade our unproven prospects for a proven good player.

What about this statement?
We aren’t going to trade our unproven but very talented prospects for a proven 30-year-old good not great player

 

[Sol]

What about this statement?
We aren’t going to trade our unproven but very talented prospects for a proven 30-year-old good not great player

Then you stay in Succ Land for eternity.

None of our current prospects could fondle Filip Forsbergs balls because their ceiling isn’t close to it. so id trade for him easily.

 

[Sol]

That's precisely why he'd be cheaper though.

It' less risky than signing someone like Forsberg to a boat anchor contract IMO.

All the underlying metrics on him look good.

Moneyball Blake is always looking for value.

Kings have to have an actual 3rd line next season.

You actually sign Forsberg for whatever he wants because Kings are right at this pivotal moment of cratering if the prospects won’t pan out which is likely . And vets too old.

Signing Forsberg and putting Kopitar down. And rocking with Forsberg and Danault as the new core is something I can easily live with

 

[johnjm22]

You actually sign Forsberg for whatever he wants because Kings are right at this pivotal moment of cratering if the prospects won’t pan out which is likely . And vets too old.

Signing Forsberg and putting Kopitar down. And rocking with Forsberg and Danault as the new core is something I can easily live with

You'd be signing him right on the precipice of his decline. He's a 25 goal scorer you're going to spend 10M on.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Can someone help me understand what I'm missing with this insane Forsberg hype train?

The guy is a career 60 point scorer who typically misses almost a quarter of a season and rumored to be chasing 9 million a year with term. he doesn't give you much outside of scoring, either, and is a major reason that Nashville hasn't gone anywhere (not that it's his fault, just that he's typically their best offensive player).

I don't think his game ages well and given he just had his best year in a year when offense was WAY up in a contract year i'm more than a little wary of giving this guy the brinks truck, I think it's a year or two too early for this particular move anyway, but this particular player should come with a warning label. Outside of this year, he's basically just Viktor Arvidsson with an insane hype train.

 

[Sol]

Duality of Kings fan right there RJ. He’s a good player consistently. What move would you do on offense to stave off the possibility of cratering next season ?

9 million for 84 points. I’d do it. Unless you want to give significant assets for a player that makes you feel more comfortable. Either you have an unusual amount of hope in the prospects AND the coaching, or you’re being unreasonable about the situations and the available solutions.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You actually sign Forsberg for whatever he wants because Kings are right at this pivotal moment of cratering if the prospects won’t pan out which is likely . And vets too old.

This is really, really unnecessarily desperate.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Duality of Kings fan right there RJ. He’s a good player consistently. What move would you do on offense to stave off the possibility of cratering next season ?

9 million for 84 points. I’d do it. Unless you want to give significant assets for a player that makes you feel more comfortable. Either you have an unusual amount of hope in the prospects AND the coaching, or you’re being unreasonable about the situations and the available solutions.

If it were that simple.

Take away last year and you're left with 9 million for 63 points.

If I'm throwing that kind of money at anyone, it's Gaudreau or keep the powder dry and be patient.

Next year's UFA crop includes Kane, Tarasenko, Pastrnak, Meier, Huberdeau, JT Miller...

No rush or reason to pay inflated prices this offseason due to scarcity and artificially inflated offensive numbers.

 

[King'sPawn]

Holy... people want to shitcan Kopitar for getting $11 million while averaging .86 pts/gm the past 10 years, but want to open their checkbook for Forsberg who averages .83 pts/gm the past 10 years?

 

[Sol]

This is really, really unnecessarily desperate.

If it were that simple.

Take away last year and you're left with 9 million for 63 points.

If I'm throwing that kind of money at anyone, it's Gaudreau or keep the powder dry and be patient.

Next year's UFA crop includes Kane, Tarasenko, Pastrnak, Meier, Huberdeau, JT Miller...

No rush or reason to pay inflated prices this offseason due to scarcity and artificially inflated offensive numbers.

How is having a safety net, desperation?

Turcotte is always injured, Vilardi hasn’t taken any steps forward, and Byfield has been very underwhelming.

Kings are f***ing up with high end forward talent. Coaching isn’t playing them.

Kopitar is older and his contract is finishing. Having Forsberg and Danault as a safety net is a good idea on the strong likelihood that the prospects again crater next year in forward. Doughty said the Kings need to add a scorer. I’d like to add a 27 year old for sure who has a history of being productive. And not giving up assets.

This year will be extremely telling if the Kings are progressing or heading into another rebuild. If the forwards don’t make a dramatic leap forward next year then it’s rebuild for sure. How do you insulate.

If a player like doughty and even the brass thinks they need to add a scorer then that should tell you what they think of the prospects. This conversation wouldn’t even be an idea if there was A good reason to believe the kids are making progress. That simply isn’t the case. I don’t know about you but I’m not a person who makes decisions based on hope, the kings need a safety net at center and I think Forsberg fills it. I don’t think the organization wants to go through another rebuild either so I’m sure they aren’t going to be blindly hopeful that everything will be okay next season. Kopitar is old and Quick is old. The Kings can’t afford to wait and not take action.

The only way they don’t do something big this off-season is if they’re going to stick the course and not make adjustments and pray hard that the rookies do better. Also, I doubt they survive another rebuild so I’m sure they will try to avoid that by any cost. Unless they have the full support of ownership and are willing to see it fail or succeed. And if it fails the Kings will be at the bottom of the league because they had nothing to stop them from bottoming out. However you can make a case that if the prospects end up sucking then rebuilding asap is the right move. But I don’t think the management group will survive it so I don’t think they will do that. If history has shown anything is that Blake is very keen on making this team competitive asap

Holy... people want to shitcan Kopitar for getting $11 million while averaging .86 pts/gm the past 10 years, but want to open their checkbook for Forsberg who averages .83 pts/gm the past 10 years?

If this is an indirect response to me then the least you can do is address the context of why I said it rather than get dramatic.

 

[King'sPawn]

If this is an indirect response to me then the least you can do is address the context of why I said it rather than get dramatic.

You're not the only one who wants Forsberg atcany cost.

Minor moves and culture changes, like the Danault signing/Arvidsson trade, are key until the Kings address their developmental infrastructure.

Signing big names and not effectively building from within will just lead to mediocrity.

 

[johnjm22]

1 year, 10M.

 

[Sol]

You're not the only one who wants Forsberg atcany cost.

Minor moves and culture changes, like the Danault signing/Arvidsson trade, are key until the Kings address their developmental infrastructure.

Signing big names and not effectively building from within will just lead to mediocrity.

So there is two acceptable lines of thinking for this. I want to know which one you fall under.

Kings can take the chance and hope the prospects take a big step forward next year or if they don’t then the kings immediately rebuild again. That’s fine. Not delaying the inevitable and playing it safe with not making expensive ufa buys.

Logic #2 the kings sign someone like Forsberg not because he’s great but he’s young enough that the Kings can remain relatively competitive if the prospects fail. Which is likely. There’s nothing to suggest they wouldn’t, however you can’t build a contending team like this I believe. Because you’d be in the top 15-20 in standings and not really go anywhere else.

The only two good things about number one is that management would definitely get fired and the Kings can be building the correct way to a cup team.

The only good things about the second logic is that they are competitive, and will stave off a massive cratering. A good safety net.

The bad thing about number one is the chance they can never get out of rebuild phase by not doing it correctly so sucking for a while will blow

The bad thing about number two I don’t think you can build a contender this way and the management would stay