Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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He’s NOT the flavor of the week. He’s had a GREAT start of his career and a bad year currently. Many people are dumbing him down due to this season, which is understandable but watch his clips to remind yourself of what you are getting. He’s got crazy wiggle and is a solid defender.
Over 321 games played, he has strung together one “Great” season of 51 games. The rest of it is unspectacular, if not solid while being somewhat injury riddled.

Like I said, he is a good NHL defensemen, but he absolutely not worth the asking price, as is usually the case with the hot commodity around each seasons trade deadline. Nothing new there.
 
I remember when people were blasting Doughty for taking a step backwards circa late 2011/beginning of 2012.

Chrychrun is not Doughty but I feel he's in that same spot--responsible for the future of a struggling team.
 
I remember when people were blasting Doughty for taking a step backwards circa late 2011/beginning of 2012.

Chrychrun is not Doughty but I feel he's in that same spot--responsible for the future of a struggling team.
I think Fox said it best. The Kings don’t have offensive personnel on the LD. Better to tame a wild cat than pretend a domestic cat is one.
 
I think Fox said it best. The Kings don’t have offensive personnel on the LD. Better to tame a wild cat than pretend a domestic cat is one.

I still think there's a lot to like about a Chychrun trade including the natural transition from Doughty/Chychrun to Chychrun/Clarke but the longer this drags out the less I care and the more I'd like to see a mini-move for someone like Gostisbehere, who could play excellent with Roy, but Maatta would never get benched so :dunno:
 
I still think there's a lot to like about a Chychrun trade including the natural transition from Doughty/Chychrun to Chychrun/Clarke but the longer this drags out the less I care and the more I'd like to see a mini-move for someone like Gostisbehere, who could play excellent with Roy, but Maatta would never get benched so :dunno:
Thought about that too. I still think JC goes East. Kings likely make a smaller move. Ghost would fit the bill.
 
I think Fox said it best. The Kings don’t have offensive personnel on the LD. Better to tame a wild cat than pretend a domestic cat is one.

129 points in 321 games isn’t a “wildcat” by any measure. Especially coupled with propensity for injury.

He is a good LD, he isn’t an organizational stalwart worth three first round picks.

The kings have internally developed help coming on the left side, if they just stay the course and wait to see what this roster looks like after a few of the kids take over more prominent roles.

I’ve said it many times, but a big trade right now would be ill timed.
 
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this knock on Chychrun is minor imo we have a history of mending player with injury history Williams Hunsious Vilardi come to mind right off. i trust our trainers to heal whatever is wrong with him.
 
You're right, the Eichel trade. To be fair, that's a unicorn of a deal that has some extenuating circumstances that wouldn't come about very often, such as disagreeing on a surgery procedure. I don't think that illustrates a likelihood of this type of player you refer to moving often or even again in the coming years. Eichel also carries a cap hit above what you were concerned Chychrun would get.

No player is a guarantee to resign, but those are the risks that come with any trade. If that's a barrier to a deal we wouldn't be making very many major trades at all. It's also a two-way street, we don't have to resign him. You see what UFA defensemen fetch at the deadline, we could recoup a 1st+ of our investment if we wanted to flip him instead of resigning him.

I don't see the value to being frozen looking for unicorn trades for guys we can control for five+ years.
Young star players traded in their prime is always rare.

I'm just saying Chychrun's contractual status is not ideal and it's something that has to be taken into account.


Some trades for young defenseman that I can think of:

25 year old RFA Trouba for a 1st and Poink. Rangers were able to sign him to a 7 year deal.

19 year old Sergachev was traded straight up for Drouin.

20 year old Seth Jones to CBJ for Johansen

21 year old Dougie Hamilton to Calgary for a 1st and two 2nds.


I'd rather trade an equivalent asset for someone like Broberg than trade 4 quality assets for Chychrun.
 
129 points in 321 games isn’t a “wildcat” by any measure. Especially coupled with propensity for injury.

He is a good LD, he isn’t an organizational stalwart worth three first round picks.

The kings have internally developed help coming on the left side, if they just stay the course and wait to see what this roster looks like after a few of the kids take over more prominent roles.

I’ve said it many times, but a big trade right now would be ill timed.
Who is coming on the left side?

LA frequently identifies LHD as a priority upgrade.

Fox indicated JC as a wild cat not me.
 
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129 points in 321 games isn’t a “wildcat” by any measure. Especially coupled with propensity for injury.

He is a good LD, he isn’t an organizational stalwart worth three first round picks.

The kings have internally developed help coming on the left side, if they just stay the course and wait to see what this roster looks like after a few of the kids take over more prominent roles.

I’ve said it many times, but a big trade right now would be ill timed.
What about an excess in prospects that may never see the light of day? Do we continue to let them depreciate and head to waivers?

centers:
Kopitar
Danault
Byfield
Lizotte
JAD
Turcotte
Helenius

RHD:
Doughty
Roy
Walker
Durzi
Clarke
Faber
Spence
Grans
 
I remember when people were blasting Doughty for taking a step backwards circa late 2011/beginning of 2012.

Chrychrun is not Doughty but I feel he's in that same spot--responsible for the future of a struggling team.

Chrychrun has never had to be "the guy" in the NHL. He's always had OEL to take the harder shifts. This is the first year without OEL and Chrychrun is struggling. He isn't a Doughty level player. More like Voynov or a young JMFJ. Good player but not an Elite Dman.

Definitely a 1st + A-level prospect (not blue chip) and a small plus (B-level/2nd round pick). Never three 1st round level picks
 
How good are Bjornfot, Anderson, Faber, Grans or Spence in the next four years? I doubt any of them score a combined 18 goals in a season. Even Clarke, what’s his projection on the Kings in the next 5 seasons. Does he even get to 60 points by then? It’s not a slam dunk yes. All these guys minus Clarke project to be #5/6 level defenseman on a contender.
 
Chrychrun has never had to be "the guy" in the NHL. He's always had OEL to take the harder shifts. This is the first year without OEL and Chrychrun is struggling. He isn't a Doughty level player. More like Voynov or a young JMFJ. Good player but not an Elite Dman.

Definitely a 1st + A-level prospect (not blue chip) and a small plus (B-level/2nd round pick). Never three 1st round level picks


Come on. I literally said he's not Doughty. i went out of my way to say that because I knew someone would do this.

But Doughty was also in the same boat. you think Doughty was eating the shutdown minutes? Did we forget about Willie Mitchell, Scuderi, Greene? Doughty didn't start getting truly beefy deployment until after the first Cup. That's a similar situation, similar growing pains.

Chychrun can, and will, be 'the guy' on some team. Don't get so caught up in thinking Drew Doughty is the standard, an arguably generational two-way d-man. Most #1 guys are 'just' Giordano. That's Chychrun.
 
How good are Bjornfot, Anderson, Faber, Grans or Spence in the next four years? I doubt any of them score a combined 18 goals in a season. Even Clarke, what’s his projection on the Kings in the next 5 seasons. Does he even get to 60 points by then? It’s not a slam dunk yes. All these guys minus Clarke project to be #5/6 level defenseman on a contender.

I wouldn't say Anderson or Bjornfot project to be bottom pairing. They are already mid-pairing guys, and Anderson is facing top quality every night and putting up fantastic metrics. That's almost unheard of at his age. If those two are your bottom pairing you'd have the best defense in the league, bar none. Grans I project as a #7. Spence looks like a bottom pairing PP specialist, although his upside is hard to ignore. Faber I think tops out at middle pairing, but more likely 5/6.

Also 18 goals is a lot for defense, especially considering 3 of those would be in the lineup at most. . Doughty/Voynov only hit that one year. Even on the cup winning teams the entire back end was in the mid-30's for all defensemen. Muzzin had a good shot and could chip in on offense, and he's only hit double digits once in his career.
 
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I wouldn't say Anderson or Bjornfot project to be bottom pairing. They are already mid-pairing guys, and Anderson is facing top quality every night and putting up fantastic metrics. That's almost unheard of at his age. If those two are your bottom pairing you'd have the best defense in the league, bar none. Grans I project as a #7. Spence looks like a bottom pairing PP specialist, although his upside is hard to ignore. Faber I think tops out at middle pairing, but more likely 5/6.

Also 18 goals is a lot for defense, especially considering 3 of those would be in the lineup at most. . Doughty/Voynov only hit that one year. Even on the cup winning teams the entire back end was in the mid-30's for all defensemen. Muzzin had a good shot and could chip in on offense, and he's only hit double digits once in his career.

Multiple 10 point defenseman in the top four is no recipe to be a contender. If one of those guys hits 20 points before they’re 27 years old I’ll be surprised.
 
Over 321 games played, he has strung together one “Great” season of 51 games. The rest of it is unspectacular, if not solid while being somewhat injury riddled.

Like I said, he is a good NHL defensemen, but he absolutely not worth the asking price, as is usually the case with the hot commodity around each seasons trade deadline. Nothing new there.
He’s 23 and broke into the nhl at age 18. Since then he’s been good and great. .5 ppg defenseman in his early career. 12 and 18 goals the last two years while not being leaky on defense. What do you want out of a young dman?
 
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Multiple 10 point defenseman in the top four is no recipe to be a contender. If one of those guys hits 20 points before they’re 27 years old I’ll be surprised.
Scuderi-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene.

That is definitely 2 10 point guys in the top 4 of the best d corps this team has ever iced.

D being mobile, hard on pucks, and able to make good breakout plays is much more important that most give it credit for.
 
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He’s 23 and broke into the nhl at age 18. Since then he’s been good and great. .5 ppg defenseman in his early career. 12 and 18 goals the last two years while not being leaky on defense. What do you want out of a young dman?
I would like to not cough up the reported 3 first round pick asking price for a .4ppg defenseman that is going to be a part of a large bidding process this year. It’s the wrong price, for the wrong piece, at the wrong time.
 
Scuderi-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene.

That is definitely 2 10 point guys in the top 4 of the best d corps this team has ever iced.

D being mobile, hard on pucks, and able to make good breakout plays is much more important that most give it credit for.

Find me the 10 point guys.

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I would like to not cough up the reported 3 first round pick asking price for a .4ppg defenseman that is going to be a part of a large bidding process this year. It’s the wrong price, for the wrong piece, at the wrong time.
It sounds like you are penalizing the kid for breaking in early (by using his lack of multiple great years) but I’ll bow out here.
 
Find me the 10 point guys.

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A high water mark from Mitchell that particular year doesn’t negate the fact that his time with LA was spent much closer to the 10 point mark than the 20 point mark, and it doesn’t change the player he is.

He was a Defensive first defenseman, and one of two in the top 4 of a dominant team.
 
Hey guys - just curious more than anything. I was looking at the Kings capfriendly.com page and it showed dead space for Jeff Carter for this season and the next two. Didn't LA trade him to Pitt with only this year remaining on his contract?

I know he extended another two years but how is it possible LA has dead space into his new contract? Is it an error on the website or is something going completely over my head?
 
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