Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[dman3474]

Bad enough to not deal a 23 year old stud D-man for a measly $2.5 mill in cap space. They'd need more than that to replace Serg.

Roy and walker (next season) to shore up their right side with Cernak and to complement Hedman and McD. Plus a first? Or a cost controlled player on an ELC? We could even take back Ruuta if we really needed to, opens up another 1+ in cap space.

 

[kingsfan]

Roy and walker (next season) to shore up their right side with Cernak and to complement Hedman and McD. Plus a first? Or a cost controlled player on an ELC? We could even take back Ruuta if we really needed to, opens up another 1+ in cap space.

They are going for the cup this year, not looking at next year and beyond, so Walker, a first and arguably even this player on an ELC -depending who you're talking about- do nothing for them these playoffs. So it'd effectively be Serg for Roy and 2.5 mill in cap space. They aren't doing that.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I've been a fan of Gabe's all along, so it's tough to watch right now. Totally get the fact that the Kings are very deep at forward, but I think they gotta reward him and get him in some games here soon. At the very least to see what they have with him again.

Guys have to get hurt or sent down if you want Vilardi up right now. The only guys possibly being sent down would be Byfield, Kaliyev, or Kupari, and Kupari isn't playing right now either.

Plus they're trying to make the playoffs, and at this point aren't even out of the running for this craptastic division, so it's about winning games today, not worrying about Vilardi.

Can you trade a player on LTIR during the season? or do you have to wait until after? Follow my train of thought here...

If we can, how about we look to a cap strapped team who will be in need of relief? Someone like Tampa, who have been known to make the cap work in their favor with LTIR.

What if Blake could pull something off around Sergachev for Walker +? They would need a D for now, is this something we could put roy into? It opens up the right side for any kids who may be able to step up, it gets us a high end 23 year old D that is a LHD but can play both sides and has plenty of big game experience.

Would that even be doable?

TB isn't trading Sergachev, and especially not in season. They're trying to win 3 in a row.

 

[kingsfan]

Problem there is that the Lightning's front office is intelligent and crafty; I doubt they'll ever have to move him as they'll just find some other way to dump salary.

Palat's $5.3 mill is coming off the books and the cap is supposedly going up $1 mill. Point's getting a raise by $2.75 so that'll eat a good chunk as will Palat's replacement but they should be able to save $2-$3 million there. After that they'll look for another Brent Seabrook contract. Shea Weber anyone?

 

[DoktorJeep]

To quote Vince Vaughn…

You know what you are? You're like a big bear with claws and with fangs...

Yeah, man just kinda... you know, you got these claws and you're staring at these claws and your thinking to yourself, and with these claws you're thinking, "How am I supposed to kill this bunny, how am I supposed to kill this bunny?

It feels like a sucker bet, but it’s not hard to see this team be one trade and some deployment changes away from a second round appearance. Selling a bunch of magic beans for Chycrun could solve the biggest current problem, lack of scoring depth most prominently on D.

Sending away Vilardi, Kupari and Turcotte or a 1st for Chycrun wouldn’t hurt this team for at least two years. Or sub in one / two of Faber, Spence or Grans. JAD, Thomas, Fagemo, or Madden should also be available if that’s part of the asking price. Basically any prospects not named Byfield and Kaliyev.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

A plus player that scores has earned his spot. Exactly when has he been poor? Why do people keep wanting to throw away a trusty cow for a handful of magic beans? AA is everything we hoped Austin Wagner would become. If he's just taking a spot in the lineup (being 4th in points per game) I'd like to order up more of those guys.

AA is a one sided, situational player that has to play on the top 6 because he doesn’t do anything average outside of go fast and shoot. He is the type of player that hinders those around him because he’s a cherry picking guy who leaves the zone, doesn’t pass and doesn’t wait for a teammate to get to the goalie before shooting. He goes full speed so everything is do or die with him. That’s losing hockey and bad for team dynamics.
I don’t like him and I don’t want him back.

 

[Kudelski37]

To quote Vince Vaughn…



It feels like a sucker bet, but it’s not hard to see this team be one trade and some deployment changes away from a second round appearance. Selling a bunch of magic beans for Chycrun could solve the biggest current problem, lack of scoring depth most prominently on D.

Sending away Vilardi, Kupari and Turcotte or a 1st for Chycrun wouldn’t hurt this team for at least two years. Or sub in one / two of Faber, Spence or Grans. JAD, Thomas, Fagemo, or Madden should also be available if that’s part of the asking price. Basically any prospects not named Byfield and Kaliyev.

Trading for Chychrun is like a millionaire spending $100 for a big Mac. You might be able to afford it, but it isn't a wise decision. Cheaper guys, trade wise, can be had that will get Maata out of the line up if Edler can't return. A bigger upgrade can wait till the summer with free agency or cap compliance trades.

 

[KingKempe9]

Can people stop mentioning Bjornfoot, Anderson, Clarke and Faber in trades. How many regular everyday Dmen are as young as Bjorn and Mikey. At 26 they will be so much better than they are now. Clarke is our only possible Drew replacement.

 

[RaymondReddington]

I'd want to hear that from Blake or a member of the scouting staff. I like Jim, but he's a homer and is going to tailor the message to make LA look smart in his eyes. I doubt very much anyone thought Turcotte was a 3rd line C. Like I said, there's countless mocks out there having him at 3-8, scouts quoted by THN and other publications have him as a top six forward -many call him things like "a top-end talent" - and I seen a few different comparisons to Toews in my brief look back down draft memory lane. I doubt they, or any NHL team, felt Turcotte was going to be a 3rd line C.

Turcotte is a top 6 C or W. He is very talented, does everything well, and is more of a facilitator than goal scorer.
His pass to Fagemo last night was incredible and Fagemo buried it.

 

[Trash Panda]

Turcotte is a top 6 C or W. He is very talented, does everything well, and is more of a facilitator than goal scorer.
His pass to Fagemo last night was incredible and Fagemo buried it.

Exactly.

Turcotte is a high speed, high event, high energy player whose game is based off of puck pursuit and funneling the play towards high danger areas of the ice with hard work & heady plays.

The higher skill you pair him with, the higher production you will see from both sides of that pair. He is that Justin Williams/Mike Richards without the belligerence mould of player.

An absolute keeper.

 

[HookKing]

AA is a one sided, situational player that has to play on the top 6 because he doesn’t do anything average outside of go fast and shoot. He is the type of player that hinders those around him because he’s a cherry picking guy who leaves the zone, doesn’t pass and doesn’t wait for a teammate to get to the goalie before shooting. He goes full speed so everything is do or die with him. That’s losing hockey and bad for team dynamics.
I don’t like him and I don’t want him back.

LOL. If you think his "go fast" is average you need to get your eyes checked. And since when are we looking for "average"? I didn't see last nights game but I don't think he was in a top six role. So, with no facts in your statement it really comes down to him flunking your eye test. You really should get your eyes checked.

 

[cyclones22]

AA is a one sided, situational player that has to play on the top 6 because he doesn’t do anything average outside of go fast and shoot. He is the type of player that hinders those around him because he’s a cherry picking guy who leaves the zone, doesn’t pass and doesn’t wait for a teammate to get to the goalie before shooting. He goes full speed so everything is do or die with him. That’s losing hockey and bad for team dynamics.
I don’t like him and I don’t want him back.

I've gone over these numbers before, but I'm not doing other people's homework this time. AA is good for the occasional flashy goal, but he does nothing for possession and he drags down his linemates. He's a 52% CF player with Danault. Danault with other options is over 60%. QB has been a CF% monster until last night, even though he scored. His line was consistently out-chanced and chasing pucks. The only change was adding AA and removing Grundstrom. I don't like his game either and hope that he's gone after the season. There's a reason why he was available to the Kings for a bargain the season before. Blake completed overpaid to keep him for another season and I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

 

[Trash Panda]

I've gone over these numbers before, but I'm not doing other people's homework this time. AA is good for the occasional flashy goal, but he does nothing for possession and he drags down his linemates. He's a 52% CF player with Danault. Danault with other options is over 60%. QB has been a CF% monster until last night, even though he scored. His line was consistently out-chanced and chasing pucks. The only change was adding AA and removing Grundstrom. I don't like his game either and hope that he's gone after the season. There's a reason why he was available to the Kings for a bargain the season before. Blake completed overpaid to keep him for another season and I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

That change was doubled-down as well, considering what a great possession player Grundstrom is.

 

[HookKing]

I've gone over these numbers before, but I'm not doing other people's homework this time. AA is good for the occasional flashy goal, but he does nothing for possession and he drags down his linemates. He's a 52% CF player with Danault. Danault with other options is over 60%. QB has been a CF% monster until last night, even though he scored. His line was consistently out-chanced and chasing pucks. The only change was adding AA and removing Grundstrom. I don't like his game either and hope that he's gone after the season. There's a reason why he was available to the Kings for a bargain the season before. Blake completed overpaid to keep him for another season and I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

And all this time I thought the winning team was the one that put the puck in the net the most. Now I've learned its not goals at all but CF%!

 

[All The Kings Men]

And all this time I thought the winning team was the one that put the puck in the net the most. Now I've learned its not goals at all but CF%!

ACTUALLY....

It's about putting the puck in the net MORE than your opponent.

EDIT 3 (maybe 4?) I just shouldn't have said anything. I don't care anymore.

 

[All The Kings Men]

why am I terrible at message boards I used to be so good at them

 

[HookKing]

ACTUALLY....

It's about putting the puck in the net MORE than your opponent.

EDIT 3 (maybe 4?) I just shouldn't have said anything. I don't care anymore.

Of course, that's what "most" means.

 

[cyclones22]

It's not a coincidence when the Kupari/Brown line added Turcotte they finally started controlling the ice. He was carrying that line. I think he would kill it with Byfield. Hell, bring Gabe back and put him on QB's other wing next season.

 

[BigKing]

To quote Vince Vaughn…



It feels like a sucker bet, but it’s not hard to see this team be one trade and some deployment changes away from a second round appearance. Selling a bunch of magic beans for Chycrun could solve the biggest current problem, lack of scoring depth most prominently on D.

Sending away Vilardi, Kupari and Turcotte or a 1st for Chycrun wouldn’t hurt this team for at least two years. Or sub in one / two of Faber, Spence or Grans. JAD, Thomas, Fagemo, or Madden should also be available if that’s part of the asking price. Basically any prospects not named Byfield and Kaliyev.

Yep. Blake has had five drafts now and he's also added additional prospects during this time. These prospects can quickly become depreciating assets so it is up to him and his staff to identify realistic expectations for the future v. the ones that were believed on draft day.

I'm not sure Chychrun is the guy to do it for but all of these prospects are not going to hit their draft day potential. As most of us said since Blake pushed the ejector button during the 2019 season, this past off-season was where he was going to have to start proving to be a real GM v. a guy that just loses on purpose and trades legit NHL players for "magic beans".

He can do something like the O'Sullivan trade (which was shocking) or he can hold on to Hickey forever until he is lost for nothing in return. You definitely need to have patience--and Blake has mostly shown that he has that--but you also can't hold on to the dream for too long. Going to be interesting to see how he handles it.

 

[tbrown33]

It's not a coincidence when the Kupari/Brown line added Turcotte they finally started controlling the ice. He was carrying that line. I think he would kill it with Byfield. Hell, bring Gabe back and put him on QB's other wing next season.

100%

 

[lumbergh]

I've gone over these numbers before, but I'm not doing other people's homework this time. AA is good for the occasional flashy goal, but he does nothing for possession and he drags down his linemates. He's a 52% CF player with Danault. Danault with other options is over 60%. QB has been a CF% monster until last night, even though he scored. His line was consistently out-chanced and chasing pucks. The only change was adding AA and removing Grundstrom. I don't like his game either and hope that he's gone after the season. There's a reason why he was available to the Kings for a bargain the season before. Blake completed overpaid to keep him for another season and I hope he doesn't make that mistake again.

I’ll let you in on a little counter-intuitive secret. You know what hurts QB’s Corsi? His line scoring. That’s right, scoring goals is bad for your corsi! QB’s line scored two goals off of zone entries. Let’s say instead Byfield and Athanasiou shoot off the pads or off a post and the puck goes into a corner. On the ensuing possession the Kings recover and get one or two more shot attempts. There’s your one game difference in corsi right there.

it’s the same thing when at the end of a PP Faust mentions that the Kings put 4 or 5 shots on net. Meaningless. Better if you score on your first shot. I hardly ever look at Corsi, because it’s just not a very good advanced stat.

 

[johnjm22]

If you're going to trade away a massive package for a player, you want that player to be a major contributor to your team for the better part of a decade.

Chychrun is only signed for 3 more years after this season. Then he's a UFA.

 

[Fishhead]

ACTUALLY....

It's about putting the puck in the net MORE than your opponent.

EDIT 3 (maybe 4?) I just shouldn't have said anything. I don't care anymore.

If this is the case then AA should be a darling, he's got the best GF% on the team this year. Small sample size, yeah, but he's been on the ice for 6 goals, only 2 against. Even more impressive is against elite competition it's 5-0.

Last season he was one of the few forwards around 50%, most forwards had more GA than GF while on the ice

AA is getting results regardless of how it may appear to some. He certainly is high event, lots of things happen when he is on the ice, and more good than bad. That might rub some the wrong way as we associate winning with the controlled, lower event hockey the kings played while they were winning cups.

 

[Kingspiracy]

If you're going to trade away a massive package for a player, you want that player to be a major contributor to your team for the better part of a decade.

Chychrun is only signed for 3 more years after this season. Then he's a UFA.

Are we not allowed to re sign him after 3 years?

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

I’ll let you in on a little counter-intuitive secret. You know what hurts QB’s Corsi? His line scoring. That’s right, scoring goals is bad for your corsi! QB’s line scored two goals off of zone entries. Let’s say instead Byfield and Athanasiou shoot off the pads or off a post and the puck goes into a corner. On the ensuing possession the Kings recover and get one or two more shot attempts. There’s your one game difference in corsi right there.

it’s the same thing when at the end of a PP Faust mentions that the Kings put 4 or 5 shots on net. Meaningless. Better if you score on your first shot. I hardly ever look at Corsi, because it’s just not a very good advanced stat.

Scoring being bad for Corsi is quite an interesting take. To start, Byfield had gotten off the ice before Athanasiou scored (and had managed to be 0 CF/3 CA that shift prior to getting off the ice before Athanasiou scored; just because a goal was scored on the rush doesn't mean there weren't shot attempts on the ice prior). Of Byfield's 21 shifts, he was only on the ice for one Kings' rush-chance goal, so that doesn't explain losing the puck control battle the other 20 shifts (8 CF/18 CA those other 20 shifts).

Sometimes the actual answer is the simplest one: Athanasiou's style of play is not conducive to puck possession. He plays a very individualistic style of game that, a large majority of the time, relies on him getting his own rush chances with his speed.

By the way...

Hard to say those lines' corsis are hurt by scoring. Almost like controlling the shot attempts leads to more scoring for and being scored on less, which is probably why there has generally been a pretty strong correlation between the teams that win the Stanley Cup (including both times the Kings did it) and controlling a strong majority of the shot attempts.