Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[kings11]

Kings need to do something.

When healthy, Kupari can't sit everyday and Vilardi can't be in the AHL forever.

What about the second tier prospects like Dudas, Madden, Thomas, and JAD? Eventually, one of those players will break in and deserve a shot.

I have a feeling Vilardi, Turcotte, and Kupari are on the table in trades. Kings will likely at least move one of them.

One is. Will they actually move Turcotte or Vilardi? I don’t think they do.. at least not yet if at all
The Tier 2 guys are interesting as almost every one of those guys would be a top 5 prospect on other teams.. I do agree, that decisions need to be made and I think they will… guys like Brown & AA open up two full time spots.. add in Byfield without a doubt being our 3C next season and Kaliyev likely moving up to the top 6… that’s 4 kids in the lineup, hell we have 2 rookies and a 2nd year guy making up our defense .. guess what im trying to say is that if a trade is made, it’ll be for a vet with a another year of term for 2 of the kids in that 2nd tier

 

[Fat Elvis]

Vilardi, JAD, LA 1st in 2022 and Roy for Chycrun.....done like dinner

Doubt LA is in a hurry to move Roy. His replacement in Faber is likely a couple years away. The other RHD are considered offensive. Roy would probably be the ideal partner for JC though.
Provorov would be my preferred target.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Roy is arguably the Kings best D man. Kings will not move him.

I would say Walker or Bjornfot are likely the D to move. Durzi essentially took Walker's spot while he was hurt and Bjornfot can be replaced by Grans.

 

[Herby]

I think Foxy misspoke, at first I thought he was talking about JAD.. either way, Turcotte was/is projected to be a top 6 player either at C or in the wing where he’d probably be more effective

There is no way he misspoke, the answer carried on for a decent amount of time. You can think he was given incorrect information or is lowering expectations for an underwhelming pick, but there is no way he misspoke.

I still think that's too much. That's 3 first essentially
for him. I understand his position [the unicorn of hockey] and his age , but if it guts our center depth in one deal, pass. I think you could still make a deal with either one of those guys, or Kupari, and another higher prospect .

Two former 1st round picks, but we are nearing 5 years since Vilardi was drafted and he is in the AHL. There is no way on God's green Earth that the Kings would get a 1st back for Vilardi in an individual deal and probably wouldn't get one back for Turcotte either (although it's closer).

It would be like saying Kaliyev and Faber only have 2nd round values, when the Kings would easily get a 1st for either of them.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

One is. Will they actually move Turcotte or Vilardi? I don’t think they do.. at least not yet if at all The Tier 2 guys are interesting as almost every one of those guys would be a top 5 prospect on other teams.. I do agree, that decisions need to be made and I think they will… guys like Brown & AA open up two full time spots.. add in Byfield without a doubt being our 3C next season and Kaliyev likely moving up to the top 6… that’s 4 kids in the lineup, hell we have 2 rookies and a 2nd year guy making up our defense .. guess what im trying to say is that if a trade is made, it’ll be for a vet with a another if term for 2 of the kids in that 2nd tier

I think this deadline, we will see the first Blake move, that was like one of Dean's first big moves : Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene....O'Sullivan for Wlliams....Schenn and Simmonds for Richards...Johnson + #1 for Carter. Why? Becasue the Kings have turned the corner and in a playoff spot. They can certianly miss the playoffs, but for the first time in years, this team has added a few pieces (Danault, Arvidsson, Edler) to help propel the team forward and it's worked out well...so the next move, will be a bigger one, I believe. Instead of it being a good current player, like Visnovsky, I think it will be more along the lines of the 2 young pieces one, like Schenn and Simmonds, for a Richards type of deal. A legit top 6 forward (NON CENTER) or #1 pairing D. Someone 28 yrs or younger. Someone that is not a rental and will be here for 5+ years.

That type of player, helps push the Kings past one or 2 of: Ducks, Sharks, Flames, Oilers and will be here for 3-5 more years. This team can arguably do that, without an upgrade...but think it may be coming now and not this Summer. But the Summer may land another. There are more than a dozen top assets: Byfield, Turcotte, Clarke, Vilardi, Kaliyev, Kupari, Grans, Faber, Chromiak, Helenius, Spence, Thomas, Fagemo, Madden, Pinelli, Kirsanov. That's 15 right there. The 2022 #1 is 16. Not even counting Andersson. May have missed others. I am sure Byfield, Kaliyev, Clarke may be the only untouchables...and Chromiak, Turcotte, Faber, close to untouchables. The rest, could be had for the right player and also includes the #1 pick. Why would you not want to do a big deal now, if it fits? Could make the playoffs now and if a round 1 bounce, think of the confidence it builds and get most of the players in their first playoffs ? The entire team comes to camp next year, (minus Brown and Maatta, thank God) feeling they are legit and more confident, a taste of winning. 16 or more top assets in your quivers and do not try to make something happen now?

edit: and JAD. He's no slouch, honestly. Simontaival and Nousiainen too.

 

[kings11]

I think this deadline, we will see the first Blake move, that was like one of Dean's first big moves : Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene....O'Sullivan for Wlliams....Schenn and Simmonds for Richards...Johnson + #1 for Carter. Why? Becasue the Kings have turned the corner and in a playoff spot. They can certianly miss the playoffs, but for the first time in years, this team has added a few pieces (Danault, Arvidsson, Edler) to help propel the team forward and it's worked out well...so the next move, will be a bigger one, I believe. Instead of it being a good current player, like Visnovsky, I think it will be more along the lines of the 2 young pieces one, like Schenn and Simmonds, for a Richards type of deal. A legit top 6 forward (NON CENTER) or #1 pairing D. Someone 28 yrs or younger. Someone that is not a rental and will be here for 5+ years.

That type of player, helps push the Kings past one or 2 of: Ducks, Sharks, Flames, Oilers and will be here for 3-4 more years. This team can arguably do that, without an upgrade...but think it may be coming now and not this Summer. But the Summer may land another. There are more than a dozen top assets: Byfield, Turcotte, Clarke, Vilardi, Kaliyev, Kupari, Grans, Faber, Chromiak, Helenius, Spence, Thomas, Fagemo, Madden, Pinelli, Kirsanov. That's 15 right there. The 2022 #1 is 16. Not even counting Andersson. May have missed others. I am sure Byfield, Kaliyev, Clarke may be the only untouchables...and Chromiak, Turcotte, Faber, close to untouchables. The rest, could be had for the right player and also includes the #1 pick. Why would you not want to do a big deal now, if it fits? Could make the playoffs now and if a round 1 bounce, think of the confidence it builds and get most of the players in their first playoffs ? 16 or more top assets in your quivers and do not try to make something happen now?

You guys really need to move past the whole Mike Richards type deal.. that would literally mean trading Byfield and whoever a Simmons’s type prospect would be maybe Turc or Kaliyev and that ain’t happening..
Again, that deal was made when we had a 24YO Anze Kopitar and a 22YO Drew Doughty, let be realistic and say we are nowhere near that point… I could see us making a move for a Soucy, Chiarot, Dillon.. etc.. vets with size and PO pedigree, who would cost at most a 1st or more likely 2 tier 2 guys

 

[Peter James Bond II]

You guys really need to move past the whole Mike Richards type deal.. that would literally mean trading Byfield and whoever a Simmons’s type prospect would be maybe Turc or Kaliyev and that ain’t happening..
Again, that deal was made when we had a 24YO Anze Kopitar and a 22YO Drew Doughty, let be realistic and say we are nowhere near that point… I could see us making a move for a Soucy, Chiarot, Dillon.. etc.. vets with size and PO pedigree, who would cost at most a 1st or more likely 2 tier 2 guys

A Vilardi, Fagemo, Grans + #1 for Chychrun is not giving up Byfield, Kaliyev, Clarke, Turcotte, Chromiak or even Kupari. There are tons of assests. You don't think any of those 15 get moved in the next year? Really? I think 3 of them move, before next season.

 

[dman3474]

What breaks and when for the RHD? There are at least two players that are going to try to take spots next year, one is a tweener so its either NHL or JR's.

RHD
Doughty- Not going anywhere unless he wants to
Roy- Playing solid D. Not flashy. not a punishing D, but plays a good solid game.
Durzi- Playing great, good puck moving D so far and his defense isn't terrible
Walker -IR, should be read for next season. Can he move to the left side? or is he trade bait?
Spence -Making a case to be the next call up if someone goes down. Might be ready for a spot in the next 1-2 seasons. Has he been playing good enough to use Durzi as trade bait?
Clarke -JR, He should get a good long look in camp next year. Hopefully can get a few games with the reign at the end of this year to see where hes at. 1-3 seasons away
Faber-College, If he kills it at the Olympics does he get signed and send him to the AHL next season to start? he is probably 2-4 seasons out
Grans- I really haven't watched enough to see where he is at or how far out he is, but I know he is in the mix.
Strand- RFA after this season, good to pop in and out of the lineup on spot duty but I don't think he is in the long-term plans

 

[kings11]

A Vilardi, Fagemo, Grans + #1 for Chychrun is not giving up Byfield, Kaliyev, Clarke, Turcotte, Chromiak or even Kupari. There are tons of assests. You don't think any of those 15 get moved in the next year? Really? I think 3 of them move, before next season.

No it’s not but that’s not the ask..
I do that deal in a heartbeat but you need to pry Chychrun away from the Yotes not simply trade for him .. if that makes sense
They expect what Buffalo was asking since he’s younger, cheaper and plays in a position that’s just as important.. Do I think they get it, no

 

[Herby]

What breaks and when for the RHD? There are at least two players that are going to try to take spots next year, one is a tweener so its either NHL or JR's.

RHD
Doughty- Not going anywhere unless he wants to
Roy- Playing solid D. Not flashy. not a punishing D, but plays a good solid game.
Durzi- Playing great, good puck moving D so far and his defense isn't terrible
Walker -IR, should be read for next season. Can he move to the left side? or is he trade bait?
Spence -Making a case to be the next call up if someone goes down. Might be ready for a spot in the next 1-2 seasons. Has he been playing good enough to use Durzi as trade bait?
Clarke -JR, He should get a good long look in camp next year. Hopefully can get a few games with the reign at the end of this year to see where hes at. 1-3 seasons away
Faber-College, If he kills it at the Olympics does he get signed and send him to the AHL next season to start? he is probably 2-4 seasons out
Grans- I really haven't watched enough to see where he is at or how far out he is, but I know he is in the mix.
Strand- RFA after this season, good to pop in and out of the lineup on spot duty but I don't think he is in the long-term plans

I can't comment on any of the other guys that I haven't seen play, but Brock Faber is very close to being NHL ready, there is no way he is 3-4 years away. He might play 1 season in the minors but my guess is he sees some NHL action next season. He is a fantastic young defenseman, and maybe other than Kaliyev the best value pick that Blake has made as GM.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

No it’s not but that’s not the ask..
I do that deal in a heartbeat but you need to pry Chychrun away from the Yotes not simply trade for him .. if that makes sense
They expect what Buffalo was asking since he’s younger, cheaper and plays in a position that’s just as important.. Do I think they get it, no

Buff got scraps for Eichel.

 

[kings11]

Buff got scraps for Eichel.

Yes, in the end they did and that’s what I expected.. this situation is different in that you haven’t heard a peep from the Yotes or Chychrun, hence I said you’d have to pry him away

 

[Choralone]

Edit: whoops, wrong thread

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I can't comment on any of the other guys that I haven't seen play, but Brock Faber is very close to being NHL ready, there is no way he is 3-4 years away. He might play 1 season in the minors but my guess is he sees some NHL action next season. He is a fantastic young defenseman, and maybe other than Kaliyev the best value pick that Blake has made as GM.

I haven't seen Faber....at all....so genuine question,

How can you determine that with him playing NCAA vs....any type of Pro hockey.....the jump from NCAA to AHL is big...

 

[Trash Panda]

I haven't seen Faber....at all....so genuine question,

How can you determine that with him playing NCAA vs....any type of Pro hockey.....the jump from NCAA to AHL is big...

NCAA hockey is much better at preparing prospects for the physical & systemic demands of the pro game than major junior.

It won’t be a seamless transition, but faber playing against older & stronger men in structured defensive systems will make his transition to the pro game much easier when that time comes.

 

[kingsfan]

I haven't seen Faber....at all....so genuine question,

How can you determine that with him playing NCAA vs....any type of Pro hockey.....the jump from NCAA to AHL is big...

It is but it happens fairly often. I'm not sure I agree with herby that Faber gets a cup of coffee or more in the NHL next season, but the jump could happen.

 

[apocalypse]

Kings need to do something.

When healthy, Kupari can't sit everyday and Vilardi can't be in the AHL forever.

What about the second tier prospects like Dudas, Madden, Thomas, and JAD? Eventually, one of those players will break in and deserve a shot.

I have a feeling Vilardi, Turcotte, and Kupari are on the table in trades. Kings will likely at least move one of them.

Why can't Kupari play in Ont? Why can't all 3 of them play in Ont? They need the time down there. Let Vilardi prove to himself that he can carry the team. I think it's a head game with Vilardi. With Turcotte, it's conditioning. He needs to get stronger and really refine his game. And he needs wingers. I can see Fagemo coming up sooner rather than later. I don't think you rush the 3. Vilardi's got mad skill. He's deceptive and has great hands. Let him completely find his game, so that he doesn't come up and look lost every shift. Kupari needs to refine his game too. The only question is what does La do with Brown and AA this offseason. There's a log jam, but you don't rush what's not ready.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Just reading Doughty's pre and post game comments. Seems he is pleased with the progress and stated he, Kopitar, Brown, and Quick all are Kings lifers.

As the youngest of the four, I was always worried that he would want out if there was no progress.

1/27 Preview - Doughty speaks before 1,000th NHL game + Notes on Petersen, Athanasiou, Islanders - LA Kings Insider

 

[Docgonzo]

So I was checking capfriendly and it has the Kings retaining on Carter until the end of 23-24. I thought it was only retaining on him for the end of this season. Did capfriendly mess up or am I confused?

 

[Statto]

Foxy's comment about Turcotte seems like revisionist history. There's no way they thought his ceiling was a 3rd line center when they took him. I don't mind that he will be a 3rd line center if they have two great centers ahead of him, but Fox sounds to me like he's lowering expectations two years later.

Agreed. He was widely considered a top 5 pick. I had hoped Byram would drop, I remember the speculation was that maybe Colorado or Chicago would have taken him and Dach between them due to positional need. Obviously that didn’t happen but once Byram and Dach were off the board the majority seemed to think Turcotte was the right pick. No one was predicting him as a 3rd line C. Nobody.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

So I was checking capfriendly and it has the Kings retaining on Carter until the end of 23-24. I thought it was only retaining on him for the end of this season. Did capfriendly mess up or am I confused?

Someone pointed out in another thread it appears to be a glitch, as it's an extension

 

[Dykstra]

At the time the most obvious pick for Chicago was Turcotte (they needed a C, he’s a Chicago kid, Toews comparison, etc), Dach’s pick was kind of a surprise here in the boards and many of us were stoked to get Turcs. I don’t see how could his value at that time was to be an 3C, that’s make no sense given his projected comparisons given by many scouts (Toews, Mike Richards) and his production with the USNTDP.

 

[kings11]

At the time the most obvious pick for Chicago was Turcotte (they needed a C, he’s a Chicago kid, Toews comparison, etc), Dach’s pick was kind of a surprise here in the boards and many of us were stoked to get Turcs. I don’t see how could his value at that time was to be an 3C, that’s make no sense given his projected comparisons given by many scouts (Toews, Mike Richards) and his production with the USNTDP.

Yeah, there’s obviously some type of disconnect with projection vs reality.. While I don’t think he’s a C but rather a playmaking LW, I still see him in the top 6 or top 9 is you play a kid line

 

[Eegs]

Pretty sure last night was the second game in a row that Vilardi was first star for the Reign. When does he join the Kings again? Is there something going on behind the scenes that is keeping him in Ontario? Thanks!

 

[mysterman2]

Roy is arguably the Kings best D man. Kings will not move him.

I would say Walker or Bjornfot are likely the D to move. Durzi essentially took Walker's spot while he was hurt and Bjornfot can be replaced by Grans.

Walker is 27 and quite frankly thought he was vastly overrated. Kings improvement comes from Anderson & Bjornfot gaining experience and maturation....you can see Bjornfot much more aggressive these days going into the zone. At 20 years old...hes going to be a solid, dman. Maybe not flashy or spectular in any one area- but solid in all areas.