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lexlavender said:
Does a Mikey Anderson long term injury force a trade for a LD, possibly Chychrun?
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Force? Of course not. Not in the NHL of 2022. But really just the cap era in general. These days, if a guy gets hurt, you bring up someone from the minors, and that's it. Until the deadline. You go with what you've got, and if you stay competitive, maybe you do something. If you sink, you sell, and get ready for next year.

If you mean get Chychrun at the deadline, ok, but you figure that type of trade is independent of whatever Anderson is doing, or where he is.

If Edler ever gets back, he would just go in there. If not, it'll just be Moverare, maybe Wolanin. Until the deadline, assuming the Kings remain in the race. The easiest thing to do, with the fewest moving parts, is the most likely path. That's the league now.
 
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The abysmal PP can be remedied to at least average performing...as in 16th out of 32 rankings...FROM THIS POINT, onward IF:

1. 23 was removed from it and NOT then put on PP unit 2 either. 1 PP point in 43 games is brutal beyond any one stat in the entire NHL this year. He no longer has effective net presence, deflects pucks (he used to be one on the best in the league) makes any elite passes, no longer wins board battles...the only thing he does at NHL level, is if the puck comes to him, he can reasonably quickly move the puck to someone, that is easy option 1. He's not capable of doing anything option 2 anymore. He lacks vision and playmaking ability. So who replaces him? Matters not, anyone would perform markedly better. Why not Lizotte? Quick, is making good plays, and has even sniped a few. Or Moore on unit 1. Or even QB. Give him some room and talent to work with...which he currently does not have. You would see his talent manifest. You cannot tell me 23 is any better.

2. Put Durzi on PP1. He's not getting enough time on PP2, which has shown more effectiveness. Remove Drew? NO. Have them both on it. It can be done, they did it today. He has more poise with the puck than any King. Period. If your PP is 31st and you have someone with that much puck talent, gets most shots through, is good at cutting in, is quick and decisive...and can also bring up the puck into the zone...and can make option 1,2, or a 3rd one that most would never see, how can you leave a player
like that off your #1 PP that is worst in the NHL?

I think these 2 moves, would make for a 16th level (league median) from this point on. We all know that the last 3 division playoff spots are going to be fought by 5 teams:
Kings, Flames, Oilers, San Jose and Ducks. How can you get one of those 3 spots? You do ANYTHING you can to get one. If you can improve your PP by even 5% ,
that alone can make you one of the 3 that make it.
 
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Peter James Bond II said:
The abysmal PP can be remedied to at least average performing...as in 16th out of 32 rankings...FROM THIS POINT, onward IF:

1. 23 was removed from it and NOT then put on PP unit 2 either. 1 PP point in 43 games is brutal beyond any one stat in the entire NHL this year. He no longer has effective net presence, deflects pucks (he used to be one on the best in the league) makes any elite passes, no longer wins board battles...the only thing he does at NHL level, is if the puck comes to him, he can reasonably quickly move the puck to someone, that is easy option 1. He's not capable of doing anything option 2 anymore. He lacks vision and playmaking ability. So who replaces him? Matters not, anyone would perform markedly better. Why not Lizotte? Quick, is making good plays, and has even sniped a few. Or Moore on unit 1. Or even QB. Give him some room and talent to work with...which he currently does not have. You would see his talent manifest. You cannot tell me 23 is any better.

2. Put Durzi on PP1. He's not getting enough time on PP2, which has shown more effectiveness. Remove Drew? NO. Have them both on it. It can be done, they did it today. He has more poise with the puck than any King. Period. If your PP is 31st and you have someone with that much puck talent, gets most shots through, is good at cutting in, is quick and decisive...and can also bring up the puck into the zone...and can make option 1,2, or a 3rd one that most would never see, how can you leave a player
like that off your #1 PP that is worst in the NHL?

I think these 2 moves, would make for a 16th level (league median) from this point on. We all know that the last 3 division playoff spots are going to be fought by 5 teams:
Kings, Flames, Oilers, San Jose and Ducks. How can you get one of those 3 spots? You do ANYTHING you can to get one. If you can improve your PP by even 5% ,
that alone can make you one of the 3 that make it.
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Byfield in front of the net on the powerplay would be amazing. And separating Kopitar/Doughty so they don't stay content passing to eachother.

Iafallo - Kopitar - Byfield
Kempe - Durzi

Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Kaliyev - Doughty
 
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apocalypse said:
I'm not averse to vilardi coming up and playing on Kopitars wing.
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Are you feeling okay?

Just kidding, I think we have a "three good lines" problem right now and need to do something about it. The Kopitar, Danault, and Lizotte lines are all pretty awesome... and that third (or fourth, whatever) line needs a lot of help.

I think we keep Kopitar and Iafallo together, Lemieux and Lizotte together, keep Danault and Arvidsson together, and keep Byfield at 3C. Here's something I'd like to see:

Kempe - Kopitar - Vilardi
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev
Iafallo - Byfield - Arvidsson
Lemieux - Lizotte - Brown

Keep Turcotte and Kupari down in Ontario to continue growing and learning. Athanasiou and Grundstrom can slide in as needed with injuries, COVID, etc. This leaves one "rookie" on each of the first three lines, insulated by veteran players.

To fix the defense, I'd offer something like Bjornfot, Kupari, Maatta (cap dump), and a 1st for Chychrun. Then trade Lias Andersson and a second for Carson Soucy. Suddenly, our defense looks a heck of a lot better:

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Soucy - Durzi

That's a playoff-level defense. Guys like Moverare and Strand can sub in as needed.
 
kilowatt said:
Are you feeling okay?

Just kidding, I think we have a "three good lines" problem right now and need to do something about it. The Kopitar, Danault, and Lizotte lines are all pretty awesome... and that third (or fourth, whatever) line needs a lot of help.

I think we keep Kopitar and Iafallo together, Lemieux and Lizotte together, keep Danault and Arvidsson together, and keep Byfield at 3C. Here's something I'd like to see:

Kempe - Kopitar - Vilardi
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev
Iafallo - Byfield - Arvidsson
Lemieux - Lizotte - Brown

Keep Turcotte and Kupari down in Ontario to continue growing and learning. Athanasiou and Grundstrom can slide in as needed with injuries, COVID, etc. This leaves one "rookie" on each of the first three lines, insulated by veteran players.

To fix the defense, I'd offer something like Bjornfot, Kupari, Maatta (cap dump), and a 1st for Chychrun. Then trade Lias Andersson and a second for Carson Soucy. Suddenly, our defense looks a heck of a lot better:

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Soucy - Durzi

That's a playoff-level defense. Guys like Moverare and Strand can sub in as needed.
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I like those line combos. Byfield's got some help in Iafallo who can dig pucks out on the boards and such. I really don't see Byfield regressing. I think he'll have his ups and downs, but for the most part I think he'll get it. It's all about thinking the game at that level and that's probably what he's struggling with, that's probably what all the prospects are struggling with and to be honest, we're a little thin at wing so it's hard to break centers in with bad wing line mates. That defense is sick. I still don't think you give Ariz what they want. I think it's overpayment. Maybe go after Soucy. I like Chiarot, Mayfield, even Josh Manson (I hate the ducks). Heck let's get better. I'm all for it.
 
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apocalypse said:
I like those line combos. Byfield's got some help in Iafallo who can dig pucks out on the boards and such. I really don't see Byfield regressing. I think he'll have his ups and downs, but for the most part I think he'll get it. It's all about thinking the game at that level and that's probably what he's struggling with, that's probably what all the prospects are struggling with and to be honest, we're a little thin at wing so it's hard to break centers in with bad wing line mates. That defense is sick. I still don't think you give Ariz what they want. I think it's overpayment. Maybe go after Soucy. I like Chiarot, Mayfield, even Josh Manson (I hate the ducks). Heck let's get better. I'm all for it.
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With that roster, our first is pretty late. Chychrun's only a year older than Vilardi, it's not like he's an old player. He'd be a part of our young core.

Chychrun is a lot better than Bjornfot right now and he probably always will be. I like Toby a lot but I don't think he suddenly finds more offense or starts laying the body. If the cost of that upgrade is Kupari and a late first, so be it. We won't miss them too much. Even without Bjornfot and Kupari, our pipeline is probably the strongest in the league.

And if Chychrun isn't the answer, perhaps someone else is. Provorov? Romanov? Sergachev? Sanheim? Werenski? We need a game changer on the left side, Mikey and Toby are just too redundant for my liking.

If Columbus continues to falter, does a package like Turcotte, Kupari, Bjornfot, and a first entice them at all to move Werenski? Or maybe we include Clarke somehow instead?

Anderson - Doughty
Werenski - Roy
Soucy - Durzi

That's really strong.
 
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kilowatt said:
Are you feeling okay?

Just kidding, I think we have a "three good lines" problem right now and need to do something about it. The Kopitar, Danault, and Lizotte lines are all pretty awesome... and that third (or fourth, whatever) line needs a lot of help.

I think we keep Kopitar and Iafallo together, Lemieux and Lizotte together, keep Danault and Arvidsson together, and keep Byfield at 3C. Here's something I'd like to see:

Kempe - Kopitar - Vilardi
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev
Iafallo - Byfield - Arvidsson
Lemieux - Lizotte - Brown

Keep Turcotte and Kupari down in Ontario to continue growing and learning. Athanasiou and Grundstrom can slide in as needed with injuries, COVID, etc. This leaves one "rookie" on each of the first three lines, insulated by veteran players.

To fix the defense, I'd offer something like Bjornfot, Kupari, Maatta (cap dump), and a 1st for Chychrun. Then trade Lias Andersson and a second for Carson Soucy. Suddenly, our defense looks a heck of a lot better:

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Soucy - Durzi

That's a playoff-level defense. Guys like Moverare and Strand can sub in as needed.
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I like your ideas but they won’t have Iafallo and Arvidsson on a 3rd line, even if it’s not really a “3rd” line.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
The abysmal PP can be remedied to at least average performing...as in 16th out of 32 rankings...FROM THIS POINT, onward IF:

1. 23 was removed from it and NOT then put on PP unit 2 either. 1 PP point in 43 games is brutal beyond any one stat in the entire NHL this year. He no longer has effective net presence, deflects pucks (he used to be one on the best in the league) makes any elite passes, no longer wins board battles...the only thing he does at NHL level, is if the puck comes to him, he can reasonably quickly move the puck to someone, that is easy option 1. He's not capable of doing anything option 2 anymore. He lacks vision and playmaking ability. So who replaces him? Matters not, anyone would perform markedly better. Why not Lizotte? Quick, is making good plays, and has even sniped a few. Or Moore on unit 1. Or even QB. Give him some room and talent to work with...which he currently does not have. You would see his talent manifest. You cannot tell me 23 is any better.

2. Put Durzi on PP1. He's not getting enough time on PP2, which has shown more effectiveness. Remove Drew? NO. Have them both on it. It can be done, they did it today. He has more poise with the puck than any King. Period. If your PP is 31st and you have someone with that much puck talent, gets most shots through, is good at cutting in, is quick and decisive...and can also bring up the puck into the zone...and can make option 1,2, or a 3rd one that most would never see, how can you leave a player
like that off your #1 PP that is worst in the NHL?

I think these 2 moves, would make for a 16th level (league median) from this point on. We all know that the last 3 division playoff spots are going to be fought by 5 teams:
Kings, Flames, Oilers, San Jose and Ducks. How can you get one of those 3 spots? You do ANYTHING you can to get one. If you can improve your PP by even 5% ,
that alone can make you one of the 3 that make it.
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I would also suggest moving Danault and Iafallo off the power play units. They're two of the least effective players on the power play this season. At least move Iafallo down to the second unit.
 
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Dykstra said:
I don’t like the idea of breaking one of our best lines in years (Moore - Danault - Arvidsson) trying to fix another one
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After Moore became our whipping boy earlier in the season, I think we are all eating crow on that one now. He is just so versatile and can be put in any situation.

Here's the weird thing to me - it seems like you can put Danault with anyone and it elevates the line. I'm not so sure that's the case with Kopitar. I would definitely keep Moore-Danault-Arvidsson intact. I think Kempe-Kopitar-Iafallo also makes sense. That third line should definitely be Byfield, but i'm sure McClellan will keep tweaking who he puts with him.
 
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Dykstra said:
I don’t like the idea of breaking one of our best lines in years (Moore - Danault - Arvidsson) trying to fix another one
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Yeah, that's a great point. Even swapping one of Athanasiou/Brown for anyone else would be helpful though.
 
lumbergh said:
I would also suggest moving Danault and Iafallo off the power play units. They're two of the least effective players on the power play this season. At least move Iafallo down to the second unit.
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Agreed, with Danault. Maybe AI on the second unit.

Here are the PP points:
Kopitar 13, Doughty 9, Arvidsson 7, Durzi 7 in 28 games, Kempe 6, Kaliyev 6, Iafallo 5, Kupari 3, Moore 2,
Roy 2, Brown 1, Danault 1, AA 1, Andersson 1, Walker 1

Observations. Most impressive is Durzi's 7 PP points, while mostly being on unit 2 and only been here half a season. He may have as many or more than Kopi's 13, if he played entire season and on PP1. In fact, a good chance he would be #1. Kupari has 3 and did not have much time on it. Shows he has ability and was hard to produce on line 3, but still has 9 points. The best producer on line 3 this year. (Brown has been line 1, more than 3) Other observations; Danault and Brown simply cannot produce on the PP. And yes, Arvidsson could play in front of the net...on PP1 and Byfield in front of the net on PP2...as Kings Pawn suggested that QB would be good in front of the net.
 
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Peter James Bond II said:
Agreed, with Danault. Maybe AI on the second unit.

Here are the PP points:
Kopitar 13, Doughty 9, Arvidsson 7, Durzi 7, Kempe 6, Kaliyev 6, Iafallo 5, Kupari 3, Moore 2,
Roy 2, Brown 1, Danault 1, AA 1, Andersson 1, Walker 1

Observations. Most impressive is Durzi's 7 PP points, while mostly being on unit 2 and only been here half a season. He may have as many or more than Kopi's 13, if he played entire season and on PP1. In fact, a good chance he would be #1. Kupari has 3 and did not have much time on it. Shows he has ability and was hard to produce on line 3, but still has 9 points. The best producer on line 3 this year. (Brown has been line 1, more than 3) Other observations; Danault and Brown simply cannot produce on the PP. And yes, Arvidsson could play in front of the net...on PP1 and Byfield in front of the net on PP2...as Kings Pawn suggested that QB would be good in front of the net.
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I'm really glad that Durzi has stayed true to himself. I think this will hopefully elevate Doughty to be better also.
 
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Peter James Bond II said:
Agreed, with Danault. Maybe AI on the second unit.

Here are the PP points:
Kopitar 13, Doughty 9, Arvidsson 7, Durzi 7, Kempe 6, Kaliyev 6, Iafallo 5, Kupari 3, Moore 2,
Roy 2, Brown 1, Danault 1, AA 1, Andersson 1, Walker 1

Observations. Most impressive is Durzi's 7 PP points, while mostly being on unit 2 and only been here half a season. He may have as many or more than Kopi's 13, if he played entire season and on PP1. In fact, a good chance he would be #1. Kupari has 3 and did not have much time on it. Shows he has ability and was hard to produce on line 3, but still has 9 points. The best producer on line 3 this year. (Brown has been line 1, more than 3) Other observations; Danault and Brown simply cannot produce on the PP. And yes, Arvidsson could play in front of the net...on PP1 and Byfield in front of the net on PP2...as Kings Pawn suggested that QB would be good in front of the net.
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I think what I like most about that is that Durzi is clearly "the guy" on PP2, he is their identity. He took the bull by the horns and just runs that shit. No one has done that on PP1 in years. Sure it's built around Doughty and Kopitar the way PP2 is built around Sean but still.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I think what I like most about that is that Durzi is clearly "the guy" on PP2, he is their identity. He took the bull by the horns and just runs that shit. No one has done that on PP1 in years. Sure it's built around Doughty and Kopitar the way PP2 is built around Sean but still.
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PP1 is built around Kopitar and Doughty impotently passing back and forth to each other while the PK don't do anything
 
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