Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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I haven’t seen anything from Turcotte that makes him stand out as NHL talent. Over the last two seasons, he has 12 goals and 39 points in 58 AHL games, and it’s been about four years since he had an injury free season.

He might have made the NHL roster on an awful team that ices a bunch of scrubs, like the Coyotes or Sharks, but I can’t see what he would add to a playoff team. He was rather invisible in the limited amount of time we saw him with the Kings. Just like Fagemo and Anderson-Dolan this season.

At least they’re no worse than Lias Andersson.


Again, completely missing the point.

Pick a prospect, their usage is night-and-day what other teams are doing, Rob Blake and co. just fancy themselves the smartest men in the room. Time will tell if they're right but early returns are pretty awful.
 
He's played the entire year in the AHL.....so tell me again if Minnesota is developing their prospects, and are HURTING for C's.....why would they have Rossi in the AHL?

Yes, he got covid, yes he had setback.....but that was last year.....this year, he's been fully healthy, maybe a minor injury etc, he's played 61 AHL games...and 2 NHL games....if they are HURTING for C's......like you claimed, Turcotte would be playing etc....ok...then explain why not Rossi? Is Turcotte better than Rossi?

Jesus f***ing christ.

You missed the point, and then sped up, wrapped the car around a tree, got a rental, sped past THAT wreckage, and are still going?

Sorry, I'm done with bad faith conversation, it's not worth the keystrokes. Peace.
 
I haven’t seen anything from Turcotte that makes him stand out as NHL talent. Over the last two seasons, he has 12 goals and 39 points in 58 AHL games, and it’s been about four years since he had an injury free season.

He might have made the NHL roster on an awful team that ices a bunch of scrubs, like the Coyotes or Sharks, but I can’t see what he would add to a playoff team. He was rather invisible in the limited amount of time we saw him with the Kings. Just like Fagemo and Anderson-Dolan this season.

At least they’re no worse than Lias Andersson.
All true. The only thing that stood out to me about Turcotte was his closing speed to loose pucks... a nice 3C type of skill... otherwise nothing at all stood out about his game.
 
Again, completely missing the point.

Pick a prospect, their usage is night-and-day what other teams are doing, Rob Blake and co. just fancy themselves the smartest men in the room. Time will tell if they're right but early returns are pretty awful.
I havent been following this whole thread - the few things I read left me exhausted. But the point that the Kings cant develop forwards in the past and now is 100% correct. Why exactly that is the case is not clear - could be a defense oriented heritage throughout every level of the org from scout to GM... set by DL and DS. Yanetti seems very good at finding defensive gems. But offensive gems? no evidence of that ever. Vilardi 11, Turcotte 5, Byfield 2 .. is starting to look very yakapovian.
 
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Again, completely missing the point.

Pick a prospect, their usage is night-and-day what other teams are doing, Rob Blake and co. just fancy themselves the smartest men in the room. Time will tell if they're right but early returns are pretty awful.
Sure it may be due to losses on the blueline, but even before the injuries, it seemed as though plenty of young dmen were put in positions to see a lot of playing time.

I don’t agree with Kaliyev’s usage on the PP, but I think putting him with Lizotte and Lemieux was a good way not to put too much pressure on him, which is not too dissimilar to how they eased the likes of Toffoli and Pearson into the lineup.

Some of the young guys who have come in just haven’t shown much, that’s just the sad reality. I wish more guys impressed like Spence has, but for the most part, the forwards beyond Kaliyev have mostly been invisible. Byfield has shown lots of promise, I think he’ll get there eventually, but if there’s any prospect who has really been misused from the current crop, it’s Vilardi.

Now he is the lone player who I could point to and say that he’d likely be able to contribute on a lot of other teams, and I’m afraid that might happen soon.
 
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Why does the same coach that played Vilardi in 54 of 56 games last year, giving him the 15th most total minutes per game over the last 2 years on the team at forward, resulting in finishing 7th on the team in scoring, and the only non-veteran in the top 14 that averaged more minutes was Byfield in the 6 games he played in last year, screw Vilardi over this year?
 
Jesus f***ing christ.

You missed the point, and then sped up, wrapped the car around a tree, got a rental, sped past THAT wreckage, and are still going?

Sorry, I'm done with bad faith conversation, it's not worth the keystrokes. Peace.

Dude you literally f***ing said, that if Turcotte was on Minnesota, he'd be playing in the f***ing NHL right f***ing now, because that's what they do, ESPECIALLY because they are hurting for Centers....

Marco f***ing Rossi, is a C they drafted 9th OA 2 f***ing years ago, he had a rough time with injuries (just like f***ing Turcotte) but you think Minnesota would f***ing play Turcotte because hoopity f***ing do, they develop prospects, but they aren't playing Rossi....because he had a f***ing heart condition,

Explain how the f*** Minnesota is ok playing him in the AHL.....with said heart cond...oh wait, he was medically cleared....GREAT......tell me again then, why the f*** would Turcotte be playing if he was on MIN and they are hurting for C....but the 9th OA pick they f***ing drafted....ISNT PLAYING.....

Being hurt isn't a f***ing excuse, because Turcotte had just as many if not more f***ing injuries.....

Make some f***ing sense of that please....
 
Why does the same coach that played Vilardi in 54 of 56 games last year, giving him the 15th most total minutes per game over the last 2 years on the team at forward, resulting in finishing 7th on the team in scoring, and the only non-veteran in the top 14 that averaged more minutes was Byfield in the 6 games he played in last year, screw Vilardi over this year?

Last year doesn't have Danault, doesn't have Arvidsson, and Vilardi was horrible to start the season...
 
Sure it may be due to losses on the blueline, but even before the injuries, it seemed as though plenty of young dmen were put in positions to see a lot of playing time.

I don’t agree with Kaliyev’s usage on the PP, but I think putting him with Lizotte and Lemieux was a good way not to put too much pressure on him, which is not too dissimilar to how they eased the likes of Toffoli and Pearson into the lineup.

Some of the young guys who have come in just haven’t shown much, that’s just the sad reality. I wish more guys impressed like Spence has, but for the most part, the forwards beyond Kaliyev have mostly been invisible. Byfield has shown lots of promise, I think he’ll get there eventually, but if there’s any prospect who has really been misused from the current crop, it’s Vilardi.

Now he is the lone player who I could point to and say that he’d likely be able to contribute on a lot of other teams, and I’m afraid that might happen soon.

Well, therein lies the rub, right?

Spence wouldn't have impressed this year in anything but the AHL unless the org's hand was completely forced. How many guys went down before Spence's debut, 10? He came in and right away had games of 24, 25, and 26 friggin minutes, like Durzi did. OF COURSE he's going to show out, he was given all that and PP time.

Byfield's top, in comparison, is 16 minutes. He has 9 games of 14 minutes or more. He has 8 games of less than 10 minutes. He has a total of 18 minutes of PP time. For the season.

Meanwhile, Stutzle has played over 20 minutes 20 times. He's played over 18 42 times. He has 235 minutes of PP time.

Stutzle has 1375 minutes of playing time this year, Byfield has 448.

Need a playoff team comparison? Ok. Even better, let's use a '3C' from another prominent playoff team, Anton Lundell. 983 minutes of time, 42 on the PP on a LETHAL offensive team where he was drafted as a 'two-way' C and has a better reason for being absolutely buried. But we can't find any better time for QB. Somehow Florida is able to find nearly 4 extra minutes a game for Lundell over Byfield, and their veteran 1C is actually performing. Outside of one game at 12:30, Lundell has NEVER played less than 13 minutes. He's played over 17 19 times, the vast majority of his games are 16-17 minutes with little variance.

You want guys to impress, you have to give them a chance to impress. That's not at you, none of this is really at you, just venting a general observation of a forum who is wayyyy too okay with saying "yeah but these guys aren't doing anything with their 12 minutes and no PP time".

Byfield is going to get out of this season playing about a quarter of the ice time of his draft mates and next to no PP time. I'd argue he could spend 8 hours a day in the church of Danault watching video and learning but that's a LOT of skating and puck reps vs. good competition to miss. It's okay, I guess he can be a good ol canadian boy and 'earn it.'


Edit: and re: Kaliyev buried on the 4th line I think the only reason most of us were okay-ish with it is because that line found chemistry lightning in a bottle.
 
Spence wouldn't have impressed this year in anything but the AHL unless the org's hand was completely forced. How many guys went down before Spence's debut, 10? He came in and right away had games of 24, 25, and 26 friggin minutes, like Durzi did. OF COURSE he's going to show out, he was given all that and PP time.

But the pre-season options they had on the NHL right side were all legit options. But then we go back to having to get rid of and/or not bring guys in. Even if you think the best 6 should play regardless of side, then they can't bring in Edler, when they already have two other young LHD and Maatta siting there. Can't re-sign Roy in March 2021, when you already re-signed Walker in Sept 2020. Or one or both of them have to be traded. Even if you send Maatta to Ontario, there are still 6 guys before any prospect.

They were clearly not planning on many young guys that anyone cares about being on the roster this year. So yeah, the only way they were going to play was due to injury. Or if the team crapped out, and they traded guys at the deadline, opening up spots.

Depending on how the summer goes, if they leave spots open for young guys, and the young guys still aren't playing, then it's pitchfork time. But they had no thoughts of 5 or 6 rookie prospects being on the team in important positions this year. Not with what they did at the end of last year and over the summer. Maybe 1 or 2 guys, tops.
 
Jesus f***ing christ.

You missed the point, and then sped up, wrapped the car around a tree, got a rental, sped past THAT wreckage, and are still going?

Sorry, I'm done with bad faith conversation, it's not worth the keystrokes. Peace.
I sometimes wonder which blocked poster you are arguing with but also satisfied that I no longer have to read it.
 
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