Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[AlphaBravo]

When you take a "high character" pick over a "high-end skills" pick with your top 5 selection, it almost never works out. Scouts are particularly bad at this because they (correctly otherwise) value intangibles and character very highly. I just don't think it usually works out that well with top 5 or even top 10 picks.

This. I made this same point a few days ago. I would rather have skill and just hope the kid has some character. You can always trade for Lewis and Danault types when the time is right.

 

[cyclones22]

I was the leader of the Zegras bandwagon as someone who should've been taken at #5 before the 2019 draft.

Prospect Info: - 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

Moritz Seider article: 2019 NHL Draft Preview – Moritz Seider, German Defenseman

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Prospect Info: - 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

Kings pawn mentioned it in the other thread, but I agree with him here. If the kings get Byram I'm almost certain they'll trade up from the 22nd pick to try and get Kaliyev. I don't think we can walk away from the first round without getting an elite forward.

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I guess I overrated his skill.

And yes, there were some mentions of Seider in that 2019 draft discussion thread.

Nobody talked about Seider being selected at #5, it was the possibility at #22. I waffled back and forth between Turcotte and Zegras and I wouldn't have been mad if he was chosen at 5.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Some funny quotes from the 2019 draft discussion, you guys called it.

@SFKingshomer: Turcotte is relentless as well but that can lead to injuries.

@YP44: One thing is for certain. We all at somepoint will crap on whomever the kings draft or say man they could have had ____ player who went later in the draft.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Tyler Inamoto has signed a PTO with the Reign.

I'm putting this here instead of the Reign thread because the 6'2 LHD is a free agent on August 15th, 2022.

He was drafted by Florida and traded to Carolina.

The path to the NHL is considerably shorter in LA than it is in Carolina.

Just sayin... something else to keep an eye on this summer.

What does Tyler Inamoto add to the Hurricanes defensive pipeline?

Carolina added defensive prospect Tyler Inamoto at the NHL's trade deadline on March 21st. This is a player you should not forget about.

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[YP44]

Some funny quotes from the 2019 draft discussion, you guys called it.

thanks for pulling

 

[YP44]

This might be a crazy thought, but I wonder what it would take to get Kane from the Blackhawks? We could swallow his entire salary next season if we had to, and we have the prospects to make it work. Maybe one of Kupari, Vilardi, or Turcotte goes the other way?

Kempe - Kopitar - Kane
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Kupari - Byfield - Kaliyev
Iafallo - Lizotte - Lemieux

depending on cost sign me up.
I would think they would want a lot, and for one year of a player that could scare me off given the kings will not be contenders yet. Would definitely make them better next year.

 

[Docgonzo]

This might be a crazy thought, but I wonder what it would take to get Kane from the Blackhawks? We could swallow his entire salary next season if we had to, and we have the prospects to make it work. Maybe one of Kupari, Vilardi, or Turcotte goes the other way?

Kempe - Kopitar - Kane
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Kupari - Byfield - Kaliyev
Iafallo - Lizotte - Lemieux

As much as I hate Kane he is a wizard, I’d stick him with Byfield and Kupari though. He’s creativity would serve them well and get confidence up.

 

[Telos]

I mean, if I were in charge and if Byram was on the board I would have chosen him and have no player right now, so I am happy with Turcotte over that outcome

 

[lumbergh]

I mean, if I were in charge and if Byram was on the board I would have chosen him and have no player right now, so I am happy with Turcotte over that outcome

Anyone who is in charge has to let go of all the picks he didn't make as soon as the draft is over. I get this is a message board, and it feels good to say "I told you so" a lot or play revisionist history, but the Seiders, Zegrases, Byrams, and Boldys of the world just don't matter. What matters are the players the Kings did draft, how they develop, what their contributions are to a winning team. Shoulda coulda woulda doesn't do a GM any good.

 

[Schmooley]

I mean, if I were in charge and if Byram was on the board I would have chosen him and have no player right now, so I am happy with Turcotte over that outcome

Byram is playing. Looked really good vs edmonton the other day.

 

[funky]

There is no reason why Turcotte cannot be a Danault clone if he can stay healthy. A very good 2nd line center or an elite 3rd line guy that can play both special teams.

Futures Guide by the Hockey News was just released and still have him at 18th best prospect overall, 2 spots ahead of Clarke.

So like Byfield and Vilardi before him and Kempe before him maybe we show a bit more patience. I admit I want things now and it’s hard to wait.

 

[YP44]

There is no reason why Turcotte cannot be a Danault clone if he can stay healthy. A very good 2nd line center or an elite 3rd line guy that can play both special teams.

Futures Guide by the Hockey News was just released and still have him at 18th best prospect overall, 2 spots ahead of Clarke.

So like Byfield and Vilardi before him and Kempe before him maybe we show a bit more patience. I admit I want things now and it’s hard to wait.

i am not giving up on Turcotte by any means, but I am also ok with him being a trade chip

 

[kings11]

Just saying. Im one of biggest Turcotte fanboys because I love his game, but in top 10 and especially top 5 of the draft erring towards elite skill usually pays better dividends. The right pick was Seider anyways.

This doesn’t quite flow.. I’m hindsight you can say that but in draft day Seider was universally panned as a reach.. hell, the pick was booed.. kid wasn’t even a projected top 15 pick

 

[kilowatt]

I was the leader of the Zegras bandwagon as someone who should've been taken at #5 before the 2019 draft.

Prospect Info: - 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

Moritz Seider article: 2019 NHL Draft Preview – Moritz Seider, German Defenseman

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Prospect Info: - 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

Kings pawn mentioned it in the other thread, but I agree with him here. If the kings get Byram I'm almost certain they'll trade up from the 22nd pick to try and get Kaliyev. I don't think we can walk away from the first round without getting an elite forward.

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I guess I overrated his skill.

And yes, there were some mentions of Seider in that 2019 draft discussion thread.

Did you go back and read that thread though? Literally the only negative thing anyone says about Zegras is @Herby wondering if his goal-scoring will translate to the NHL. I read about five pages of that and it was all pretty positive stuff. Many of us said we’d definitely be on board with Zegras.

The one thing I did read from that thread that needs a follow-up though was this:

Prospect Info: - 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall

Kings pawn mentioned it in the other thread, but I agree with him here. If the kings get Byram I'm almost certain they'll trade up from the 22nd pick to try and get Kaliyev. I don't think we can walk away from the first round without getting an elite forward.

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Did @AzKing ever take a dump in his pants?

 

[Mats26]

If Kaliyev is there at #22, I will take a dump in my pants. Caufield should never make it to #14. This is probably the weirdest I have seen. So many head scratchers. Zegras over both Cozens and Dach if CO goes Center, Podkolzin for Detroit who can't afford to risk, Cozens sliding to #9, Seider dropping all the way to #25. It's crazy.

That said, if you look at this link, the guy said he had an 84% hit rate in the First Round before he did his 2018 mock: 7th Annual NHL Mock Draft: 2018, Round 1

His drafts tend to make the Kings look good though because he had Kupari going #16 to CO last year and had Akil Thomas going #23 to ANA. Both of our picks slotted higher than where we grabbed them.
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Zegras is my sleeper pick. Kid has all the tools to be a star in the league. Needs to bulk up, simplify his game, but in 3-4 years he could be a dynamic playmaking forward. I think Avs might like him as well, might see him as a Duchene type. We'll see how it pans out.


Man was I right

 

[johnjm22]

I wanted Byram in the draft.

I'm not going to criticize the choice to draft Turcotte. It was a perfectly reasonable pick at the time.

But looking at the draft now, Turcotte is the only player taken in the top 20 who hasn't played 10 NHL games.

 

[YP44]

it's crazy to me that Turcotte and Bjornfot were in the same draft. Feels like Bjornfot has been here much longer. guess that's what happens when you make the team out of the gate.

 

[NikF]

This doesn’t quite flow.. I’m hindsight you can say that but in draft day Seider was universally panned as a reach.. hell, the pick was booed.. kid wasn’t even a projected top 15 pick

Top 10 on my board (verifiable with link) pre-draft and even longer back. Saw him first live when he was 15 or 16 (would have to check notes). Kid was a stud and by late in his draft year the only question remaining was whether he would be a minute-munching big 20min a night D who can pass and put up 20-30pts per season or the same but 40+pts (ie very good #2-3D or #1D)

The fact that "mainstream" scouting sources for the most part failed to pick up on that is more indicative of scouting services than Seider.

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

He already has

Time will tell. The guy's a good player, but you guys are a bunch of sensitive Sally's. You see everything in Black and White, like there's no gray area. Typical of today's tribalism and polarization. Freaking pathetic. Live in an echo chamber that is this message board. Maybe try and get outside of your own head.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Time will tell. The guy's a good player, but you guys are a bunch of sensitive Sally's. You see everything in Black and White, like there's no gray area. Typical of today's tribalism and polarization. Freaking pathetic. Live in an echo chamber that is this message board. Maybe try and get outside of your own head.

And yet, I have yet to hear you name a better 4th line C.....why is that?

 

[kings11]

Top 10 on my board (verifiable with link) pre-draft and even longer back. Saw him first live when he was 15 or 16 (would have to check notes). Kid was a stud and by late in his draft year the only question remaining was whether he would be a minute-munching big 20min a night D who can pass and put up 20-30pts per season or the same but 40+pts (ie very good #2-3D or #1D)

The fact that "mainstream" scouting sources for the most part failed to pick up on that is more indicative of scouting services than Seider.

Based on personal assessment that might be so but as you say the mainstream had him as a mid first at earliest..
I was hoping we’d have both Turcotte and Seider but it was went meant to be

 

[King'sPawn]

Time will tell. The guy's a good player, but you guys are a bunch of sensitive Sally's. You see everything in Black and White, like there's no gray area. Typical of today's tribalism and polarization. Freaking pathetic. Live in an echo chamber that is this message board. Maybe try and get outside of your own head.

Huh, a group of people disagree with you, and that makes us typical, tribalistic, pathetic binary thinkers living in an echo chamber.

And somehow we're the sensitive ones.

Just making sure I'm reading this correctly.

 

[JTeller97]

I remember expecting Dach in 19' while hoping Byram would somehow fall. Turcotte to Chi was basically a foregone conclusion to most. I also remember us being linked more with Cozens and Caufield than Zegras in that draft too. Turcotte was definitely the right pick at the time just sucks his development and injury status has clouded up his potential so much, loved his game at the WJC last year and genuinely felt he was more impactful than Zegras in those medal games.

As far as this draft goes I'd be pretty disappointed if we didn't package it up for a more proven commodity, the pool is deep enough as is.

 

[MBH]

In short, yes, the defensive shortcomings ARE that bad.

When he's playing with Danault and Moore, they're doing great. He's about a 10% corsi and GF drag on everyone else, though. And for a team that's constantly hovering about 50% GF/GA at even strength, these numbers are really, REALLY problematic. It's not hyperbole, and that's why I keep resisting it so much.

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It's funny because when those were Byfields numbers you were on a tear shredding him...why is AA so special?

Because at the end of the day, improves the offense A LOT without being any worse, defensively.

 

[crassbonanza]

I remember expecting Dach in 19' while hoping Byram would somehow fall. Turcotte to Chi was basically a foregone conclusion to most. I also remember us being linked more with Cozens and Caufield than Zegras in that draft too. Turcotte was definitely the right pick at the time just sucks his development and injury status has clouded up his potential so much, loved his game at the WJC last year and genuinely felt he was more impactful than Zegras in those medal games.

As far as this draft goes I'd be pretty disappointed if we didn't package it up for a more proven commodity, the pool is deep enough as is.

Yeah, I was a huge Kirby Dach fan at the time because I assumed the Hawks would take Turcotte. I also liked that his name reminded me of Darby Crash, haha.