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KingsHockey24 said:
I want Blake to do what NYR did and just add like 5 goon/grit guys in the Summer.

The Rangers added Reaves, Tinordi, Goodrow, Blais, and Nemeth and now are top 4 in the overall standings.
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Only Reaves and Goodrow were in the lineup tonight. Blais was a terrific add though. But Tinordi and Nemeth...I don't think you want to really count those guys as a contributing factor.
 
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Anze Kopitar is officially outside the top 50 in points now, with 62 points in 72 games and a -11.

Among forwards, Kopitar is 47th, Kempe comes in at 92, Danault at 103, Moore at 106, Arvidsson at 114, and Iafallo at 160. The math looks a little weird now with 32 teams, but any guy in the top 192 (32 teams * 6 forwards) in theory is a top six player. It's not unexpected, but the Kings are really lacking a high-end forward. Kopitar's decline continues.

Outside the top 200, we have Brown at 220, Kaliyev at 231, and Lizotte at 255, then Athanasiou and Grundstrom at 351, and Kupari at 365 round out our top 12.

Kempe - Kopitar - Arvidsson
Moore - Danault - Iafallo
Brown - Lizotte - Kaliyev
Athanasiou - Kupari - Grundstrom

In terms of points scored, that's our best lineup.
 
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KingsHockey24 said:
I've never liked Petersen and Quick should be a 20 game back-up at this point in his career.
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At this point they should just bring up Villalta and see what happens. Peterson was a great AHL goalie and garbage in the NHL. Maybe it works in reverse too!

If nothing else, it'll be incredibly entertaining.
 
johnjm22 said:
I wanted Byram in the draft.

I'm not going to criticize the choice to draft Turcotte. It was a perfectly reasonable pick at the time.

But looking at the draft now, Turcotte is the only player taken in the top 20 who hasn't played 10 NHL games.
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I think Turcotte and Byram are the only guys to be injured too. The Byram one is much more concerning. So many concussions in a short span , you know every hit [ like the one Roy put on him last night] probably makes the Avs front office really nervous.
 
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kilowatt said:
Anze Kopitar is officially outside the top 50 in points now, with 62 points in 72 games and a -11.

Among forwards, Kopitar is 47th, Kempe comes in at 92, Danault at 103, Moore at 106, Arvidsson at 114, and Iafallo at 160. The math looks a little weird now with 32 teams, but any guy in the top 192 (32 teams * 6 forwards) in theory is a top six player. It's not unexpected, but the Kings are really lacking a high-end forward. Kopitar's decline continues.

Outside the top 200, we have Brown at 220, Kaliyev at 231, and Lizotte at 255, then Athanasiou and Grundstrom at 351, and Kupari at 365 round out our top 12.

Kempe - Kopitar - Arvidsson
Moore - Danault - Iafallo
Brown - Lizotte - Kaliyev
Athanasiou - Kupari - Grundstrom

In terms of points scored, that's our best lineup.
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flaw with looking at it like that is it does not take into account injuries. Look at someone like Eichel for example, guessing on a PPG clip he would be above Kopitar too.

I guess maybe I am assuming PPG is not being used.

Your point remains that LA is missing a high end forward.
 
One thing I'm glad to have let go of is the whole should've drafted _____ instead of _____ thing. Mostly because of what comes after that. Should've drafted Zegras, buuuuuuuuuut his offense would be suppressed on the 4th line if he was here. Ok, so then why cry about it?

Actually it's mostly because it's a rabbit hole you can get lost in. You can go back 30 years and find someone a team should've taken, and if they had, it would change the course of the player, team, and league. Coaches and GMs may not get fired when they do, then this other player gets traded somewhere else instead, which then changes this other team, which means this or that playoff series doesn't happen, so this other team might be the one to win the Cup in this one specific year, etc, etc, etc.

Not only completely miss on Hickey, but lose him for nothing. Give a guy who had a messed up back in juniors a chance after multiple teams don't sign him, and he ends up on your top D pair in a Cup run, essentially doing what Hickey was supposed to do. Had Hickey been just slightly better, but not great, do they still sign Muzzin? Or do they not get Regher instead? Do they sign Mitchell? Do they re-sign Mitchell?
 
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kilowatt said:
Anze Kopitar is officially outside the top 50 in points now, with 62 points in 72 games and a -11.

Among forwards, Kopitar is 47th, Kempe comes in at 92, Danault at 103, Moore at 106, Arvidsson at 114, and Iafallo at 160. The math looks a little weird now with 32 teams, but any guy in the top 192 (32 teams * 6 forwards) in theory is a top six player. It's not unexpected, but the Kings are really lacking a high-end forward. Kopitar's decline continues.

Outside the top 200, we have Brown at 220, Kaliyev at 231, and Lizotte at 255, then Athanasiou and Grundstrom at 351, and Kupari at 365 round out our top 12.

Kempe - Kopitar - Arvidsson
Moore - Danault - Iafallo
Brown - Lizotte - Kaliyev
Athanasiou - Kupari - Grundstrom

In terms of points scored, that's our best lineup.
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Offense aroudn the league is the highest it's been since the lockout and we're here begging for 3 goals a game with no one within 10 points of PPG, it's depressing.
 
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Get out of the top 16 asap
Fire Robitaille
Fire Blake (make sure Bergevin doesn't take his place)
Fire McLellan
Fire Sturm
Buyout Quick

bonus: shoot L. Andersson out of a canon

and watch how fast things turn around
 
KingsFan7824 said:
One thing I'm glad to have let go of is the whole should've drafted _____ instead of _____ thing. Mostly because of what comes after that. Should've drafted Zegras, buuuuuuuuuut his offense would be suppressed on the 4th line if he was here. Ok, so then why cry about it?

Actually it's mostly because it's a rabbit hole you can get lost in. You can go back 30 years and find someone a team should've taken, and if they had, it would change the course of the player, team, and league. Coaches and GMs may not get fired when they do, then this other player gets traded somewhere else instead, which then changes this other team, which means this or that playoff series doesn't happen, so this other team might be the one to win the Cup in this one specific year, etc, etc, etc.

Not only completely miss on Hickey, but lose him for nothing. Give a guy who had a messed up back in juniors a chance after multiple teams don't sign him, and he ends up on your top D pair in a Cup run, essentially doing what Hickey was supposed to do. Had Hickey been just slightly better, but not great, do they still sign Muzzin? Or do they not get Regher instead? Do they sign Mitchell? Do they re-sign Mitchell?
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I thought about this a while back too. What if they took Karlsson instead of Tuebert? How would he ended up on our d-pairing, being so offensively gifted [ would he have been taught to play defense?] , and would Muzzin or any of the others been acquired? Would he have been the one who got traded for Carter instead of JMFJ and then what would happen with Voynov. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down. Doughty and Karlsson..oh boy!.
 
YP44 said:
flaw with looking at it like that is it does not take into account injuries. Look at someone like Eichel for example, guessing on a PPG clip he would be above Kopitar too.

I guess maybe I am assuming PPG is not being used.

Your point remains that LA is missing a high end forward.
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Points per game is actually even worse. The one thing we have going for us is volume — most of the guys listed haven't been hurt. Here's that list again sorted by points per game among forwards who have played more than 26 games this season (the number Eichel has played):

76. Anze Kopitar (-29)
101. Viktor Arvidsson (+13)
122. Adrian Kempe (-30)
131. Phillip Danault (-28)
152. Trevor Moore (-46)
193. Alex Iafallo (-33)
209. Dustin Brown (+11)
275. Blake Lizotte (-20) and Arthur Kaliyev (-44)
329. Carl Grundstrom (+22)
357. Brendan Lemieux (UR)
366. Rasmus Kupari (+1)

That means we have one low-end first-line forward (Kopitar), two high-end second-line players (Arvidsson and Kempe), and two average second-line players (Danault and Moore).

I know that points aren't everything and this is a weird way to look at these stats, but it certainly confirms what we already know: we don't score much and we don't have a lot of high-end talent.
 
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Offense aroudn the league is the highest it's been since the lockout and we're here begging for 3 goals a game with no one within 10 points of PPG, it's depressing.
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Yet the majority of veteran players on the roster are averging more pts/game this year than their career averages. Even Iafallo is still in that category. Although very slightly.

The only players currently averging less are Kopitar, Brown, and Lemieux. Grundstrom, amazingly, is at .280 pts/game exactly for his career, and at .280 pts/game exactly this season.

Some guys are substantially higher, some we're talking 10ths or 100ths of a % point.

Perhaps that's because the coach will only play vets, but they're doing what they do. Actually a little more than what they do. What they lack is the literal definition of a game breaking scorer.

From 08-09 to 14-15, the Sharks were the 8th highest scoring team in the league, and 29 goals away from being in the top 5.
 
kingsfan28 said:
I thought about this a while back too. What if they took Karlsson instead of Tuebert? How would he ended up on our d-pairing, being so offensively gifted [ would he have been taught to play defense?] , and would Muzzin or any of the others been acquired? Would he have been the one who got traded for Carter instead of JMFJ and then what would happen with Voynov. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down. Doughty and Karlsson..oh boy!.
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Had Gagne not gotten hurt, and had Penner been able to score more than a handful of goals, they likely never get Carter. You think DL wanted to go into the playoffs with just 6 defenseman? Look what happened in 2014, when they went a legit 7 deep, losing 2 of them, and having to rely on Jeff stinkin' Schultz for an entire series against the Ducks. Had the Kings lost 2 d-men in 2012, we might be talking a different history. Drewiske was #7, but who was 8th?

But that's the what if game. If Kopitar doesn't get hurt in 2011, and they beat the Sharks with a healthy Kopitar, do they still get Richards? Are they willing to pay the same price for Richards? There's a plausible argument for no, even if Richards was the most perfect DL player this side of Mike Ricci.
 
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kilowatt said:
Points per game is actually even worse. The one thing we have going for us is volume — most of the guys listed haven't been hurt. Here's that list again sorted by points per game among forwards who have played more than 26 games this season (the number Eichel has played):

76. Anze Kopitar (-29)
101. Viktor Arvidsson (+13)
122. Adrian Kempe (-30)
131. Phillip Danault (-28)
152. Trevor Moore (-46)
193. Alex Iafallo (-33)
209. Dustin Brown (+11)
275. Blake Lizotte (-20) and Arthur Kaliyev (-44)
329. Carl Grundstrom (+22)
357. Brendan Lemieux (UR)
366. Rasmus Kupari (+1)

That means we have one low-end first-line forward (Kopitar), two high-end second-line players (Arvidsson and Kempe), and two average second-line players (Danault and Moore).

I know that points aren't everything and this is a weird way to look at these stats, but it certainly confirms what we already know: we don't score much and we don't have a lot of high-end talent.
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thanks, i figured it would be worse. Seems more like what we got going on.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Yet the majority of veteran players on the roster are averging more pts/game this year than their career averages. Even Iafallo is still in that category. Although very slightly.

The only players currently averging less are Kopitar, Brown, and Lemieux. Grundstrom, amazingly, is at .280 pts/game exactly for his career, and at .280 pts/game exactly this season.

Some guys are substantially higher, some we're talking 10ths or 100ths of a % point.

Perhaps that's because the coach will only play vets, but they're doing what they do. Actually a little more than what they do. What they lack is the literal definition of a game breaking scorer.

From 08-09 to 14-15, the Sharks were the 8th highest scoring team in the league, and 29 goals away from being in the top 5.
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Their identity starting last year was checking and defense. The injuries are the excuse for why they’ve lost that identity. I’ve been done expecting them to have any top 50 scorers for awhile now.

Personally, my excuse for the loss of a checking identity is playing 3 prospects on the same line instead of spreading them around. The corollary is putting Iafallo, Lizotte and Brown together as an all checking line.
 
DoktorJeep said:
Their identity starting last year was checking and defense. The injuries are the excuse for why they’ve lost that identity. I’ve been done expecting them to have any top 50 scorers for awhile now.

Personally, my excuse for the loss of a checking identity is playing 3 prospects on the same line instead of spreading them around. The corollary is putting Iafallo, Lizotte and Brown together as an all checking line.
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I think I want the bottom 6 the same as the last two games for at least one more game. They have had one really good and one piss poor.

If it does not look good next game I go with:
Iafallo-QB-Brown
Lemieux-Lizzotte-Vilardi

Not sure which is the 3rd or 4th, and I could be easily talked into swapping Vilardi and Brown
 
The Kings have had the worst goaltending in the league since Doughty and Anderson went out.

I realize those are two big losses, but having two netminders incapable of keeping the team within games is going to be costly.

Suddenly, a new starting netminder is something that needs to be addressed, and what the hell do they do with Cal Petersen and his upcoming extension that's going to kick in? Is there any willing and desperate GM out there who would swap an equally struggling netminder?
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
The Kings have had the worst goaltending in the league since Doughty and Anderson went out.

I realize those are two big losses, but having two netminders incapable of keeping the team within games is going to be costly.

Suddenly, a new starting netminder is something that needs to be addressed, and what the hell do they do with Cal Petersen and his upcoming extension that's going to kick in? Is there any willing and desperate GM out there who would swap an equally struggling netminder?
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I think they go hard for a blue chip prospect/young goalie over the summer but I'm willing to bet they roll into next season w/Petersen and Quick and give him a chance to work thru it for half a season before saying 'forget it.'
 
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