Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[BigKing]

Kaliyev's Shot % is ranked 14th on the team....the only forwards worse are Brown and Andersson who has 0 goals. Put that in perspective...

I have. It's impressive that he has the shot total figure he has with the deployment he has received. I love it and what it means for his future once he is actually paired with a legit scoring center.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

This is a bullshit post, and you know it.

You fully understand my point that Kaliyev is a sniper, a great passer and a born shooter.
Exactly what this franchise lacks and needs now desperately.
He leads the team in PP goals, despite being either off PP altogether or PP2.
He leads all rookies in shots despite 4th line utilization.

There is not a team in the NHL that would use this talent and production the way the Kings have this year.

Your intentionally ignoring all the valid points to make a sarcastic overexaggeration intended to make my post look stupid and ignorant is a dick move and you should knock this shit off.

Except, St. Louis has..in the past, with Thomas.

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

The 1C next year will be Kopitar, Danault, or Byfield. The other two will be the next two, and then Lizotte with be 4th.

If lizotte is a starting center on this team next year, then we are taking a step back. We are going to make a move in the offseason, lizotte will not be a part of our future plans in my opinion.

 

[KingsFan7824]

If lizotte is a starting center on this team next year, then we are taking a step back. We are going to make a move in the offseason, lizotte will not be a part of our future plans in my opinion.

They just re-signed him a month ago for 2 more years. There aren't many sign and trades in the NHL. If you sign a guy, especially to a 1 way deal, it's likely you're not going to turn around and get rid of him. It's his 3rd contract with the Kings. I think they want him.

 

[Schmooley]

If Fiala is really available in the offseason the Kings should be in on it. His game would fit the team. May not cost that much to acquire.
Fiala and Chychrun could be some huge additions.

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

They just re-signed him a month ago for 2 more years. There aren't many sign and trades in the NHL. If you sign a guy, especially to a 1 way deal, it's likely you're not going to turn around and get rid of him. It's his 3rd contract with the Kings. I think they want him.

If they really like him, they would've signed him to a longer term. A 2 year extension is easily tradable. Maybe you're right and he stays for a couple years, but if that's the case, we aren't making a deep playoff run while he's in the starting lineup.

 

[All The Kings Men]

lol

 

[KingsFan7824]

If they really like him, they would've signed him to a longer term. A 2 year extension is easily tradable. Maybe you're right and he stays for a couple years, but if that's the case, we aren't making a deep playoff run while he's in the starting lineup.

Who are you, Dean Lombardi? You don't sign checkers to 5 or 6 year deals.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

If they really like him, they would've signed him to a longer term. A 2 year extension is easily tradable. Maybe you're right and he stays for a couple years, but if that's the case, we aren't making a deep playoff run while he's in the starting lineup.

Such a bad and terrible take.....holy shit, I can't even comprehend how bad this is bud.....

Lizotte is the ultimate 4th line C.......can you name one better 4th line C in the league....on any team? I can wait.

 

[kilowatt]

Lizotte’s the best fourth line center this team has ever had, the disrespect he gets here is criminal lmao

 

[BigKing]

Best 4th line center ever? Let's chill for a second here.

Speaking of chilling for a second, Kings just delivered playoff tickets to my Axs account. Five game losing streak incoming.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

If Fiala is really available in the offseason the Kings should be in on it. His game would fit the team. May not cost that much to acquire.
Fiala and Chychrun could be some huge additions.

That would be huge.
The improvements must also be about subtraction and in each of those subtractions, make a superior addition.

Subtractions no exceptions -

Brown 5.875 gone no matter if finishes strong. will be 38 and the time is now. He will only be less effective
Maatta 3.3 gone he's been better, but need a top 4 LHD and then Bjornfot and Anderson are 2nd and 3rd
AA 2.7 gone no explanation needed
Edler 3.5 gone. he's worn out and slowing down. Great contribution up until his injury. He's done, I think though and not needed.

15.575 gone.

Add 2 good players like you state: Fiala and Chychrun and fill other spaces with youth.
The Kings have about 10 capable youth and need to promote.
Kempe, Mikey, Vilardi, Lemieux need new contracts. Possibly Carl. Lias is not fitting in,
not given chances to his skills and seems that won't happen here.

Like someone said "no one is trading you a #1 center". Seems like Byfield or soemone is going
to have to take that, within another year.

Just keep adding key players under 28, like Danault and Arvidsson. Look how much they, along with Moore's and Kempe's stepping up, improved this team. If you cannot sign a Forsberg, get the next level types, like Danault and Arvidsson and hope that youth like Byfield, Kupari, Vilardi, Kaliyev, Turcotte, Fagemo make bigger strides - or at least 2 of them.

Being in Colorado, they sucked a few years. They got lucky with Makar, but Sakic got Burakovsky, Nichushkin and Donskoi 2 years ago and they made a difference...and added Kadri. No stars, but they sure made a huge difference. The Kings need to get players like that. Danault and Arvidsson are those types.

Could use a HUGE out of nowhere big thing....something like Chromiak bursting on the scene and killing it. Think he may be that special.

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

I like Lizotte. You guys are super emo and misinterpreting my post. He's a good player, but if we don't upgrade, we aren't going anywhere. Calm down gentleman.

 

[kingsfan]

If they really like him, they would've signed him to a longer term. A 2 year extension is easily tradable. Maybe you're right and he stays for a couple years, but if that's the case, we aren't making a deep playoff run while he's in the starting lineup.

Not many bottom six forwards get more than three year deals for a few reasons. You can like a guy without liking him long-term, especially when you have a pipeline loaded with forwards that are ready to burst onto the scene. He's both a valuable player now and a stop gap until someone replaces him.

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

Not many bottom six forwards get more than three year deals for a few reasons. You can like a guy without liking him long-term, especially when you have a pipeline loaded with forwards that are ready to burst onto the scene. He's both a valuable player now and a stop gap until someone replaces him.

I 100% agree.

 

[johnjm22]

If they really like him, they would've signed him to a longer term. A 2 year extension is easily tradable. Maybe you're right and he stays for a couple years, but if that's the case, we aren't making a deep playoff run while he's in the starting lineup.

How many 4th line centers in the league are better than Blake Lizotte?

The top two teams in the league right now are Colorado and Florida. Their 4th line centers are Darren Helm and Eetu Luostarinen.

Helm: 59gp 7g 6a 13pts -3
Luostarinen 69gp 9g 13a 22pts +10
Lizotte: 63gp 10g 11a 21pts +12

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

I didn't realize how many Lizotte family members frequented these boards. That's the only explanation
Guys, I like him, and I could be wrong about him. I'll gladly eat crow and say you were right if he proves me wrong.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I didn't realize how many Lizotte family members frequented these boards. That's the only explanation
Guys, I like him, and I could be wrong about him. I'll gladly eat crow and say you were right if he proves me wrong.

He already has

 

[Trash Panda]

That's making hockey more complicated than it is. As long as he's playing wing he doesn't to learn or unlearn anything new.

That’s not how competitive hockey works. At all.

There isn’t a 4th line in the league that plays the same style of hockey as their top-six counterparts.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

That’s not how competitive hockey works. At all.

There isn’t a 4th line in the league that plays the same style of hockey as their top-six counterparts.

Maybe not, but what parts of Kaliyev game do you think he has to....unlearn now?

 

[KingsFan7824]

I like Lizotte. You guys are super emo and misinterpreting my post. He's a good player, but if we don't upgrade, we aren't going anywhere. Calm down gentleman.

They had the chance to let him go. It seems like they made their choice. $1.7m isn't a ton of money, but it's real NHL money. It's not a league minimum deal. They didn't even wait until the summer to do it. They signed him months before he ever got to restricted status. I'll be surprised if he's not the 4C in Oct. It's not about any of us liking him or not. It's looking at what the Kings are doing.

That’s not how competitive hockey works. At all.

There isn’t a 4th line in the league that plays the same style of hockey as their top-six counterparts.

This isn't a North Korean re-education camp. He doesn't have to be de-programmed. If you switched him to C, he'd have to learn a whole bunch of new responsibilities. If you made him a defenseman, he'd have to learn how to skate backwards better, different reads, different responsibilities. Make him a goalie, and he has to learn a whole different thing. Put him on the 1st line wing as opposed to the 4th line? Sure, he might play a little differently, but it's not a different position. It's not going to take a year to learn how to play on the 1st line. That's ridiculous. When Dwight King moved up or down here and there, did he change how he played? What kind of player he was? No. He played like Dwight King. Kaliyev will play like Kaliyev, on whatever line he's on. They're not making him into a checker by playing with Lizotte. If he has 30g talent, then he'll score 30g given the opportunity.

The opportunity thing, that we can have a discussion on. They're not changing him as a player because he's been on the 4th line though. He'll be alright.

 

[kings11]

Sometimes drafts are just like that. It's not like Lafreniere or Stutzle are exactly lighting up the league either. Raymond's putting up points, but he's also played most of the year with Dylan Larkin and Tyler Bertuzzi. Raymond and Stutzle are a combined -49 right now. And in hockey, more so than any other sport, rookies usually don't come in and light the league on fire. You maybe get one or two guys per year that do that and it's often because they've been put in a position to succeed. I'm willing to bet if Byfield was lining up next to Kopitar and Kempe, he'd have a lot more points.

It's silly to try to judge a draft after a player's rookie season.

I’ve made Thai point in various way this season to try and calm the whiners in here..
Guys like Zegras, Raymond, Boldy… etc, are excelling because they’re being allowed to play the game their way and without the fear of being punished for rookie mistakes..
The Kings for decades have had an anemic offense that doesn’t promote creativity and it’s hurt development.
How many on here actually think a guy like Zegras would be putting up the points he is now with the ducks? Let alone playing the type of offensive game he has???
News flash ladies, TMac would have sat his ass down and stapled his ass to the bench.. shit, Kopitar might be leading the league TOI if he was in the team lol..
The problem is our offensive philosophy and how it derails offensive talent.

 

[kings11]

They had the chance to let him go. It seems like they made their choice. $1.7m isn't a ton of money, but it's real NHL money. It's not a league minimum deal. They didn't even wait until the summer to do it. They signed him months before he ever got to restricted status. I'll be surprised if he's not the 4C in Oct. It's not about any of us liking him or not. It's looking at what the Kings are doing.



This isn't a North Korean re-education camp. He doesn't have to be de-programmed. If you switched him to C, he'd have to learn a whole bunch of new responsibilities. If you made him a defenseman, he'd have to learn how to skate backwards better, different reads, different responsibilities. Make him a goalie, and he has to learn a whole different thing. Put him on the 1st line wing as opposed to the 4th line? Sure, he might play a little differently, but it's not a different position. It's not going to take a year to learn how to play on the 1st line. That's ridiculous. When Dwight King moved up or down here and there, did he change how he played? What kind of player he was? No. He played like Dwight King. Kaliyev will play like Kaliyev, on whatever line he's on. They're not making him into a checker by playing with Lizotte. If he has 30g talent, then he'll score 30g given the opportunity.

The opportunity thing, that we can have a discussion on. They're not changing him as a player because he's been on the 4th line though. He'll be alright.

I’m beyond shocked people are still crying about Kaliyev on the 4th line…. Should he be in the top 6? Maybe.. but there’s no denying that one Arthur Kaliyev has absolutely developed this season. Kid went from lost and confused with a great shot and slow feet to making shit happen.. his compete level, IQ, speed.. overall play really, has been a joy to see and on a surprising playoff team no less..
all of this pressure hockey is going to turn that kid into a gem

 

[KingsFan7824]

I’ve made Thai point in various way this season to try and calm the whiners in here..
Guys like Zegras, Raymond, Boldy… etc, are excelling because they’re being allowed to play the game their way and without the fear of being punished for rookie mistakes..
The Kings for decades have had an anemic offense that doesn’t promote creativity and it’s hurt development.
How many on here actually think a guy like Zegras would be putting up the points he is now with the ducks? Let alone playing the type of offensive game he has???
News flash ladies, TMac would have sat his ass down and stapled his ass to the bench.. shit, Kopitar might be leading the league TOI if he was in the team lol..
The problem is our offensive philosophy and how it derails offensive talent.

It's hurt offensive production, not necessarily development.

Although Danault, Kempe, Moore, and Arvidsson are all outproducing their career per game averages for goals and pts this season. Arvidsson is currently at 27g over 82 games this year though, which is his career average per 82.

But Byfield and Kaliyev aren't at 70pts and 30g though, and that's what the people want. We don't want to see the average age of the top 8 scorers be 30. You're either a contender, or dead last letting 20 year olds play 30 unrestricted minutes per night. Throw the kids out there, and let Darwin settle it. A bubble team without the young guys leading the way? You just wasted a year. You just wanted to sell a couple extra tickets to keep your job.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I’ve made Thai point in various way this season to try and calm the whiners in here..
Guys like Zegras, Raymond, Boldy… etc, are excelling because they’re being allowed to play the game their way and without the fear of being punished for rookie mistakes..
The Kings for decades have had an anemic offense that doesn’t promote creativity and it’s hurt development.
How many on here actually think a guy like Zegras would be putting up the points he is now with the ducks? Let alone playing the type of offensive game he has???
News flash ladies, TMac would have sat his ass down and stapled his ass to the bench.. shit, Kopitar might be leading the league TOI if he was in the team lol..
The problem is our offensive philosophy and how it derails offensive talent.

I’m sure Zegras having the amazing ability to lift the puck up on his stick is going to translate well in the playoffs. Whoops, not this year though.