Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[kings11]

If I'm not mistaken, Moverare can't play for the Reign anymore, right? I think someone said that?

Regardless, getting Lemieux back is big. Let's play Iafallo on the fourth line and see if the energy role gets him going.

Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Kupari - Byfield - Vilardi
Lemieux - Lizotte - Iafallo

I love that AK-47 top line!

 

[King'sPawn]

They sent a bunch down before the deadlline I believe, then recalled them on Tuesday.

Spence was among the players sent down. Moverare was not.

 

[kilowatt]

I love that AK-47 top line!

I think it’s the AK-54 line! 34+11+9

 

[BigKing]

That is incorrect. Moverare and Strand are on the Kings roster the rest of the season. They are ineligible to play in the AHL during the regular season or playoffs since they were not on the Reign roster at the NHL trade deadline. That's the rules. The only D that can be sent down the rest of the way is Spence.

Bummer. For some reason I thought they sent Strand down but I guess he is just scratched.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Practice 3/25 - Kopitar, Bjornfot, Lemieux Notes + Defensive Dive, Danault's leadership, Durzi Quotes - LA Kings Insider

Durzi Quotes
Lastly, hear from defenseman Sean Durzi from earlier today. Durzi matched a franchise record with three assists last night, tying the single-game mark for rookie defensemen. Hear from the impressive rookie on a number of topics, including his points last night, being encouraged by the coaching staff to play his game and learn from mistakes,

On the uniqueness of this coaching staff encouraging players to take a risk to make a play
It’s definitely unique and I think for my playing type and how I came into the league, it’s helped me. A lot of people would say my first game was a big splash, a goal and an assist, but I think I made more mistakes in that game than I have the rest of the way up here. I think them accepting that there’s both sides of it, realizing the game happens quick and there’s going to be mistakes, it’s just not letting those mistakes occur more than once and learning from them. I think they do a really good job of it. It’s time to take the diapers off in this stretch, it’s playoff race and we need to step up, but in the beginning, it was hey, learn from this and be better from it, don’t let it hurt the way you play and your confidence.

Bjornfot had a similar quote earlier in the year.

Now what is correct? Because the gist around here is that these coaches don't let anyone, especially rookies, do anything. Is it just the younger defensemen that are given the opportunity to take a chance? Is Durzi just trying to suck up to his boss? Do we look at things the wrong way?

 

[kingsfan28]

Practice 3/25 - Kopitar, Bjornfot, Lemieux Notes + Defensive Dive, Danault's leadership, Durzi Quotes - LA Kings Insider



Bjornfot had a similar quote earlier in the year.

Now what is correct? Because the gist around here is that these coaches don't let anyone, especially rookies, do anything. Is it just the younger defensemen that are given the opportunity to take a chance? Is Durzi just trying to suck up to his boss? Do we look at things the wrong way?

This boards, with all the armchair gm's, never!

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Practice 3/25 - Kopitar, Bjornfot, Lemieux Notes + Defensive Dive, Danault's leadership, Durzi Quotes - LA Kings Insider



Bjornfot had a similar quote earlier in the year.

Now what is correct? Because the gist around here is that these coaches don't let anyone, especially rookies, do anything. Is it just the younger defensemen that are given the opportunity to take a chance? Is Durzi just trying to suck up to his boss? Do we look at things the wrong way?

Shit...that sounds eerily famil...oh wait...it's process....kinda what I was talking about what, a month or two ago in regards to Byfield.....

 

[Schrute farms]

Some people just want immediate results from prospect otherwise they want to write them off. It's extremely rare for a guy to come in guns a blazing and stay that way as a stud through his career. The lack of patience for our young guys are quite annoying on the board -- but it is what it is. There is a looong list of guys that came into this league and lit it up the first go around and then completely went into oblivion and/or out of the league just as fast,

Honestly, the best path to success is some struggles at first, learn some lessons thru mistakes, get up to speed with the size/pace of the NHL game, etc. and grow in your game on the way to stardom. The DDs, Kopi, McDavids, etc. are the rare breed and exception. The vast majority of stars or great players take a little time.

Heck, look across at baseball -- Mike Trout. Dude was nothing but horrible his first year when he played the last 1/3rd of the season. Well, well below average player and looked like a complete bust and yet another over-hyped prospect. No OB ability, lots of Ks, no power, horrible average, etc. Here's the thing -- he was 19. Next season he was awesome and 2nd in MVP race.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Some people just want immediate results from prospect otherwise they want to write them off. It's extremely rare for a guy to come in guns a blazing and stay that way as a stud through his career. The lack of patience for our young guys are quite annoying on the board -- but it is what it is. There is a looong list of guys that came into this league and lit it up the first go around and then completely went into oblivion and/or out of the league just as fast,

Honestly, the best path to success is some struggles at first, learn some lessons thru mistakes, get up to speed with the size/pace of the NHL game, etc. and grow in your game on the way to stardom. The DDs, Kopi, McDavids, etc. are the rare breed and exception. The vast majority of stars or great players take a little time.

Heck, look across at baseball -- Mike Trout. Dude was nothing but horrible his first year when he played the last 1/3rd of the season. Well, well below average player and looked like a complete bust and yet another over-hyped prospect. No OB ability, lots of Ks, no power, horrible average, etc. Here's the thing -- he was 19. Next season he was awesome and 2nd in MVP race.

So...there's a chance....Byfield is 2nd in MVP next year? LOVE IT!!!! lol jk bud

 

[lexlavender]

I think the issue is not that the kids are not encouraged to make risky plays, but that they aren't given the play time for those risks to pay off and for them to develop.

 

[King'sPawn]

Practice 3/25 - Kopitar, Bjornfot, Lemieux Notes + Defensive Dive, Danault's leadership, Durzi Quotes - LA Kings Insider



Bjornfot had a similar quote earlier in the year.

Now what is correct? Because the gist around here is that these coaches don't let anyone, especially rookies, do anything. Is it just the younger defensemen that are given the opportunity to take a chance? Is Durzi just trying to suck up to his boss? Do we look at things the wrong way?

It definitely seems like the defensemen get more rope to make mistakes. They also get the opportunity to grow into their role more.

 

[Herby]

The young defenseman have also flat out just looked better than the young forwards, and really it hasn’t been close.

There has to be at some point a “grab the bull by the horn” moment for the Kings forwards. Durzi and Spence were also thrown into a high stress playoff race and they have just been flat out better, more confident and more impactful.

Jordan Spence doing what he’s doing at 20 as a 4th round pick is what you should be expecting from high 1st round picks who are currently 19, 21 and 22. Other teams are getting it from forwards that age and we simply aren’t.

 

[Docgonzo]

The young defenseman have also flat out just looked better than the young forwards, and really it hasn’t been close.

There has to be at some point a “grab the bull by the horn” moment for the Kings forwards. Durzi and Spence were also thrown into a high stress playoff race and they have just been flat out better, more confident and more impactful.

Jordan Spence doing what he’s doing at 20 as a 4th round pick is what you should be expecting from high 1st round picks who are currently 19, 21 and 22.

A great example is Kupari, looked amazing vs a bigger more physical Nashville team and then all we saw vs Nashville disappeared against Chicago.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The young defenseman have also flat out just looked better than the young forwards, and really it hasn’t been close.

There has to be at some point a “grab the bull by the horn” moment for the Kings forwards. Durzi and Spence were also thrown into a high stress playoff race and they have just been flat out better, more confident and more impactful.

Jordan Spence doing what he’s doing at 20 as a 4th round pick is what you should be expecting from high 1st round picks who are currently 19, 21 and 22. Other teams are getting it from forwards that age and we simply aren’t.

I think a huge part of that is.....Doughty being out, Roy being out....Walker being out...

I think if we saw (crossing fingers no) but if we saw Kopitar, go down, Danault go down, I think you see a bigger role for the kids to step into...but no professional hockey team in their right mind is going to take their star 1C and demote him to 3C/4C, nor their 7 million FA signee and demote minutes etc, but until an opening becomes available, I don't think you see much more than we are now from Byfield and company

 

[Herby]

I think a huge part of that is.....Doughty being out, Roy being out....Walker being out...

I think if we saw (crossing fingers no) but if we saw Kopitar, go down, Danault go down, I think you see a bigger role for the kids to step into...but no professional hockey team in their right mind is going to take their star 1C and demote him to 3C/4C, nor their 7 million FA signee and demote minutes etc, but until an opening becomes available, I don't think you see much more than we are now from Byfield and company

I respectfully disagree. So they have been offensive black holes facing weaker opposition and easier deployments but would be doing better facing other teams top lines or top checkers like AK and PD do? Ok they’d get more PP time, but how does that solve the ineptness at even strength against lesser checkers?

Spence and Durzi have been much better 5 on 5 than any of the young forwards other than Kaliyev have been.

If this team could evaluate and develop forwards even half as well as they evaluate and develop defenseman we could be talking about doing some real damage this year and maybe even being a contender next year.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I respectfully disagree. So they have been offensive black holes facing weaker opposition and easier deployments but would be doing better facing other teams top lines or top checkers like AK and PD do? Ok they’d get more PP time, but how does that solve the ineptness at even strength against lesser checkers?

Spence and Durzi have been much better 5 on 5 than any of the young forwards other than Kaliyev have been.

If this team could evaluate and develop forwards even half as well as they evaluate and develop defenseman we could be talking about doing some real damage this year and maybe even being a contender next year.

Different games, offense vs Defense..... but just in pure....grabbing the bulls by the horn, more ice time, more opportunies to learn what works and what doesnt, more chances to adjust etc.

It doesn't sting anywhere NEARLY as bad, that they aren't doing that....BECAUSE the Kings are where they are....

 

[TruKingFan]

I think there’s some validity in the Kings sheltering forwards until they understand how the team wants them to play. But to continue to assert that Kupari’s finally getting “it” is just all about playing time and linemates refuse to accept the other reality of what players have to do on their own to stick in the lineup.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I respectfully disagree. So they have been offensive black holes facing weaker opposition and easier deployments but would be doing better facing other teams top lines or top checkers like AK and PD do? Ok they’d get more PP time, but how does that solve the ineptness at even strength against lesser checkers?

Spence and Durzi have been much better 5 on 5 than any of the young forwards other than Kaliyev have been.

If this team could evaluate and develop forwards even half as well as they evaluate and develop defenseman we could be talking about doing some real damage this year and maybe even being a contender next year.

Maybe the Kings should be a farm system for developing defensemen and groom them to trade for good young forwards from other teams that need good young defensemen.

 

[BringTheReign]

I was neutral to slightly confused when we signed Danault this summer, but one thing I noted back then was how similar a player Arvidsson is to Gallagher, Danault’s former linemate. It’s interesting to revisit given how well they’ve meshed, and the fact that Moore is at least similar in size and skill level to Tatar (though I’m not sure their play style is all that comparable).

 

[AmadiosAmigos]

We are talking a management here that gave Iafallo 4 mill and Paterson 5.

If i would be Anderson or Durzi being offered 2 mill while the other guys who contribute absolutely nothing get 4 or 5,
i would talk to my agent.

But let's assume you and the other posters may be right.
What are we going to do with a maximum of 5 mill cap space?
I don't see any difference maker that signs for this amount of money

I do not overvalue our players.
I go by what they pay players in recent past.

If i take the other posters numbers, 2 mill each for Durzi and Anderson, 5 mill for Kempe, they came up with 5 mill cap space.
Using your numbers only leaves 0.5 mill capspace without improving our team in any way.

I'm not concerned about the exact numbers, i am concerned about that we are cornered cap wise as long as we drag the old folks around for no reason.
Having 1.5 mill or 0.5 capspace still means we are right at the cap with very little room for movement.
And you guys numbers are extremely low estimate

Brown 5.875
AA 2.7
Edler 3.5
Maata 3.33
Stetcher 1.7

Carter (retention) 2.6

I think we will be fine

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think a huge part of that is.....Doughty being out, Roy being out....Walker being out...

I think if we saw (crossing fingers no) but if we saw Kopitar, go down, Danault go down, I think you see a bigger role for the kids to step into...but no professional hockey team in their right mind is going to take their star 1C and demote him to 3C/4C, nor their 7 million FA signee and demote minutes etc, but until an opening becomes available, I don't think you see much more than we are now from Byfield and company

Pretty much this. Durzi and Spence et. al. Don’t even see NHL ice this year if we don’t lose an entire starting 6.

If we lost our top six forwards, you’d definitely see more ice time for more rookies for better or for worse. It’s pretty simple.

Pretty easy to look like a genius ‘promoting’ kids when you don’t have a choice, or a 7th for Stetcher. Call me a little skeptical.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Pretty much this. Durzi and Spence et. al. Don’t even see NHL ice this year if we don’t lose an entire starting 6.

If we lost our top six forwards, you’d definitely see more ice time for more rookies for better or for worse. It’s pretty simple.

Pretty easy to look like a genius ‘promoting’ kids when you don’t have a choice, or a 7th for Stetcher. Call me a little skeptical.

Pretty much, the genius might be promoting the right kids.....ala Durzi over Clague etc. Adding Strecher for nothing was a gimme....and to boot he paired up with Edler in Vancouver, that's a double gimme

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Brown 5.875
AA 2.7
Edler 3.5
Maata 3.33
Stetcher 1.7

Carter (retention) 2.6

I think we will be fine

You know Maatta's, AA's, Brown's agents are all probably calling on new extensions and I would tell them all no...that nothing will be discussed, period until after this season. And then after the season, under no circumstances, re-sign any of these 3. Or Stetcher, Edler. It's time to make the next upgrade this off season and none of these upgrade your team. It's time to get 'the next' Danault, Arvidsson, top 4 LHD. All of them 28 or under with term.

Preferably 1 legit top 6 winger and 1 top LHD. Arty needs to move up next season as well.

 

[kilowatt]

If Roy has the most value, we should look into moving him. Walker has proven he can play on his off side with Doughty, that might be a smart move. Even if we move Roy though, we have 7 guys for six spots: Doughty, Walker, Durzi, Spence, Bjornfot, Anderson, and Clarke. I guess Clarke goes back to juniors for another year? Maatta and Edler have been surprisingly good. Stetcher has been decent so far. Lots of questions. I’m reluctant to move Walker because he has almost no value right now.

Walker - Doughty
Bjornfot - Durzi
Anderson - Spence

 

[Schrute farms]

Just me, but I'm not trading Roy unless it's means we are bringing in a bigger, more physical LHD. Not just a big dude like MacDermid either -- I mean a guy who can actually play while also dishing out some physical punishment.