Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Telos]

Well, there's no doubt that the Kings would be, if not the most, interested, but it is another story if they are willing to pay the price. The problem with LA is no team is going to deal with them without including a top-tier prospect back. They are all going to want Clarke (plus a 1st and another roster throw-in) and likely won't budge from there.

I like him, he has a good shot and decent instincts and skating, but he doesn't scream to me that he is worth that price. I watch his highlights and see some nice snipes here and there, but also the Yotes have good net presence and some good tip/deflection skills. It's an age-old harp too, but he has had one very productive season in his career and Arizona is selling high right now. There is risk involved and Clarke looks to be a special player on his own...

The bottom line is if the Kings are going to make a deal, they have the assets to acquire a superstar on a long-term contract. I question if Chychrun fits the bill.

 

[Statto]

So he is older, tired, less mobile, from having 7 minutes into the 1st period, holy shit this is such a f***ing Pejorative Slured take,

Fox made that pass on the OUTSIDE DOT....I mean holy f***....it's literally there for you to look at, and you still f***ing miss it because you are so f***ing blind with contempt or whatever the f*** it is, you excuse Maata for covering nothing, you say Fox drew Maata out...he did, Maata was covering the goddamn pass from the goddamn corner in which no one was there, it was such a f***ing stupid angle that he took, and yet, you don't see it, because you are so all consumed about Kopitar minutes, you don't realize that Kopitar did the right thing,

You talk about learning hockey and you post baseless drivel on your complete misunderstanding of what happened, and then, say OMG I am gonna block you, what a gooddamn pansy....

Completely agree with your assessment. If Kopitar is any tighter we are arguing about the guy circling back up to the top of the circle having a free shot on goal because Kopitar has gone to deep and Fox has moved the puck back to him instead. Maata was the guy that needed to cut that pass out.

It was fundamentally a good PP with good movement, making the extra guy count. I want to see Kopitars minutes go down but this isn’t the example as to why.

The board would be much more fun if we could break this stuff down without it becoming a bitch-fest.

 

[deaderhead28]

Why is John Hoven so quiet lately?

I think he works in some weird capacity with the Kings this season,so maybe he needs the ok to report.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Completely agree with your assessment. If Kopitar is any tighter we are arguing about the guy circling back up to the top of the circle having a free shot on goal because Kopitar has gone to deep and Fox has moved the puck back to him instead. Maata was the guy that needed to cut that pass out.

It was fundamentally a good PP with good movement, making the extra guy count. I want to see Kopitars minutes go down but this isn’t the example as to why.

The board would be much more fun if we could break this stuff down without it becoming a bitch-fest.

Pretty much this.....

Bitch all you want...but for f*** sake, when you are asked to back it up, back it up with ACTUAL evidence, not shit that is made up,

As much as me and @Raccoon Jesus have gone at it lately, he at least backs his shitty takes up with facts....I mean he misreads them all the time lmao...but honestly, that's a difference of opinion on the interpretation of the facts and what they could mean moving forward etc, completely different than making up whole scenario against video evidence, and using that as evidence to claim one thing etc....

Do I think Kopitar minutes need to be reduced, not particularly, but there 100% can be an argument for it, but most of that is based on what you think might happen if they are.....which is really the only way to make that argument, it's a 100% better than using a twisted view of the game to make that argument....

 

[Matt13]

Well, there's no doubt that the Kings would be, if not the most, interested, but it is another story if they are willing to pay the price. The problem with LA is no team is going to deal with them without including a top-tier prospect back. They are all going to want Clarke (plus a 1st and another roster throw-in) and likely won't budge from there.

I like him, he has a good shot and decent instincts and skating, but he doesn't scream to me that he is worth that price. I watch his highlights and see some nice snipes here and there, but also the Yotes have good net presence and some good tip/deflection skills. It's an age-old harp too, but he has had one very productive season in his career and Arizona is selling high right now. There is risk involved and Clarke looks to be a special player on his own...

The bottom line is if the Kings are going to make a deal, they have the assets to acquire a superstar on a long-term contract. I question if Chychrun fits the bill.

Looking at AZ Roster for next year, they only have 6 players signed and a projected cap of $51,000,000.

To me, they would be foolish to trade him, but in this case, I think this is a scenario where you could throw a lot of lower tier pieces at them, where that normally doesn't work because teams don't have roster space.

What about Durzi to fill that hole he would leave, Villardi, a first from either this upcoming or the following, JAD, even throw in Walker. Its a lot of quality players that honestly probably will don't have a real spot on this team.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The bottom line is if the Kings are going to make a deal, they have the assets to acquire a superstar on a long-term contract.

And is such an individual available?

If he's not, should the Kings just wait? Make some moves here and there, trting to get better, but nothing that changes the game? The Smyth, Williams, Stoll, Scuderi, Mitchell type moves. Not that there are many vets like that around anymore. Williams was great in big moments, historically great, but he wasn't actually taking a team anywhere.

 

[Telos]

And is such an individual available?

If he's not, should the Kings just wait? Make some moves here and there, trting to get better, but nothing that changes the game? The Smyth, Williams, Stoll, Scuderi, Mitchell type moves. Not that there are many vets like that around anymore. Williams was great in big moments, historically great, but he wasn't actually taking a team anywhere.

They should absolutely wait. This isn't even close to their moment isn't here. I am beginning to question if their moment could even possibly be here with the original core here... The Kings are the one with the prospects and the future, they have the luxury to wait, and stars falling out or teams transitioning to a rebuild is a yearly occurrence. Arizona is flipping this guy literally the year after his breakout season while their team is dogshit and he is having a mediocre one and asking for a price that is more expensive than any of the guys you listed and I can see him on level with a Smyth or a Williams on the backend. It is just too rich to rush for something they aren't even ready for.

 

[RaymondReddington]

Some reason, he's not feeding Kaliyev on that PP2, kid can shoot it, but they aren't even looking at him over there...

Wait a minute! I called for this weeks ago a la Ovechkin and you made fun of me with a ridiculous straw man slam that I was calling 34 Ovechkin.

 

[kingsfan]

Chychrun is 24. He should cost a lot more than a Williams or a Smyth or any of those other names did when they were acquired. Saying he's on par with a 33 year old Ryan Smyth is just wrong.

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

I miss the days before the interwebz. When you had blind faith in your team to do the right thing with the youth. And you couldn't back up your(and mine) moronic opinion with moneyball bulls***. The good ol days.

But reading all the drama is stupid entertaining. We all want the same outcome in the end though, lets all take a deep breath try and remember that.

GKG.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I think he works in some weird capacity with the Kings this season,so maybe he needs the ok to report.

I honestly wonder if he got into trouble breaking the Blake extension...or something about the Bergeron posting. Has there ever been any official statements released?

 

[Telos]

Chychrun is 24. He should cost a lot more than a Williams or a Smyth or any of those other names did when they were acquired. Saying he's on par with a 33 year old Ryan Smyth is just wrong.

Well, you're right, I am not trying to throw him under the bus, but I am saying he is more on par of a Williams or a Smyth in terms of player caliber. I don't see the need to rush paying such a price and rolling the dice on a player like this who isn't that unique. This isn't like passing on the opportunity to get Eichel here, etc. If they wouldn't do it for Eichel, I fail to comprehend that they would do it for Chychrun.

 

[Statto]

Well, you're right, I am not trying to throw him under the bus, but I am saying he is more on par of a Williams or a Smyth in terms of player caliber. I don't see the need to rush paying such a price and rolling the dice on a player like this who isn't that unique. This isn't like passing on the opportunity to get Eichel here, etc. If they wouldn't do it for Eichel, I fail to comprehend that they would do it for Chychrun.

I’m not saying I’d do it but LD is a position of need whereas C isn’t. So I can see why they’d be prepared to pay a big price for a LHD. I’m far from convinced Chychrun is the guy in part because he hasn’t demonstrated yet that his breakout year wasn’t an outlier (I’m talking entirely based on paper) and in part because I haven’t seen enough of him to give a fair take on it.

 

[lumbergh]

They should absolutely wait. This isn't even close to their moment isn't here. I am beginning to question if their moment could even possibly be here with the original core here... The Kings are the one with the prospects and the future, they have the luxury to wait, and stars falling out or teams transitioning to a rebuild is a yearly occurrence. Arizona is flipping this guy literally the year after his breakout season while their team is dogshit and he is having a mediocre one and asking for a price that is more expensive than any of the guys you listed and I can see him on level with a Smyth or a Williams on the backend. It is just too rich to rush for something they aren't even ready for.

This is the time to grab quality veteran leadership who can contribute for the next couple of seasons, but probably not the time to push all the chips in. Your Justin Williams, Willie Mitchell, Regehr types. Building a contender doesn't usually happen in one big swing.

 

[Schrute farms]

This is the time to grab quality veteran leadership who can contribute for the next couple of seasons, but probably not the time to push all the chips in. Your Justin Williams, Willie Mitchell, Regehr types. Building a contender doesn't usually happen in one big swing.

You mean something like acquiring Denault, Edler and Arvidsson?

 

[Telos]

This is the time to grab quality veteran leadership who can contribute for the next couple of seasons, but probably not the time to push all the chips in. Your Justin Williams, Willie Mitchell, Regehr types. Building a contender doesn't usually happen in one big swing.

I agree with you. To expand, I am all for the Danault signing and trades. It's just that trading Clarke/Turcotte/Byfield, Kupari, + an unconditional 2022 1st which is about what the Arizona price tag requires doesn't seem to be the move we should be prepared to make at this point. If you're giving up a blue chip you need a Mike Richards back or some sort of higher end asset. We weren't trading Schenn for the Williams, Mitchell, and Regehrs out there. Chychrun is a good player. I am definitely interested, but there is no way we are getting him without a blue chip out there. Hell, the price being demanded is more than Eichel's haul. If they can get him for a 1st + Kupari + non-blue chip asset, then I would say pull the trigger...

 

[kingsfan]

Well, you're right, I am not trying to throw him under the bus, but I am saying he is more on par of a Williams or a Smyth in terms of player caliber. I don't see the need to rush paying such a price and rolling the dice on a player like this who isn't that unique. This isn't like passing on the opportunity to get Eichel here, etc. If they wouldn't do it for Eichel, I fail to comprehend that they would do it for Chychrun.

Well Eichel is a centre and Cychrun is a defenseman, so the need is much different. Eichel is a better player but we don't need him as bad as we need an upgrade on defense.

I agree with you. To expand, I am all for the Danault signing and trades. It's just that trading Clarke/Turcotte/Byfield, Kupari, + an unconditional 2022 1st which is about what the Arizona price tag requires doesn't seem to be the move we should be prepared to make at this point. If you're giving up a blue chip you need a Mike Richards back or some sort of higher end asset. We weren't trading Schenn for the Williams, Mitchell, and Regehrs out there. Chychrun is a good player. I am definitely interested, but there is no way we are getting him without a blue chip out there. Hell, the price being demanded is more than Eichel's haul. If they can get him for a 1st + Kupari + non-blue chip asset, then I would say pull the trigger...

We were trading Schenn for a 26 year old Mike Richards. Age plays a big part in your examples. I doubt anyone would advocate trading a Turcotte/Clarke for a 32 year old Chychrun. A 24-year old Robyn Regher would cost a fair bit though and Chychrun's value now is higher than Regehr's would have been at the same age I'd wager. Even Williams was 28 and damaged goods coming to LA and that cost us a good young player in O'Sullivan and a second.

 

[LAKings88]

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Was a bit surprised about Fox’s comments on Turcotte being a solid 3rd line center at the #5 overall spot.

 

[kings11]

Well Eichel is a centre and Cychrun is a defenseman, so the need is much different. Eichel is a better player but we don't need him as bad as we need an upgrade on defense.


We were trading Schenn for a 26 year old Mike Richards. Age plays a big part in your examples. I doubt anyone would advocate trading a Turcotte/Clarke for a 32 year old Chychrun. A 24-year old Robyn Regher would cost a fair bit though and Chychrun's value now is higher than Regehr's would have been at the same age I'd wager. Even Williams was 28 and damaged goods coming to LA and that cost us a good young player in O'Sullivan and a second.

I love how the Mike Richards trade keeps being brought up without taking into consideration the obvious..
We had a 24YO Kopi and a 22YO Drew.. which two of our prospects equals those two? You make that type of trade when you know what Byfield, Turcotte, Clarke, Kaliyev.. etc are or know enough., I swear this is the exact same shit everyone on here talked about not wanting to happen but now that we’re playoff contenders which a few of you didn’t think would happen.. you want to trade some of our best prospects for what?? Seriously, for f***en what?? A second round exit? If that!
The team is progressing much better and quicker than anticipated, we need to stay the course.. Do we need an upgrade at LHD, yes.. but a Soucy or Edler type of vet does it, no need to go full LA Lakers on this..

 

[lexlavender]

It seems like the league is honestly a little poisoned when it comes to trading. When GMs are asking for "your best prospect" or 1st round value in a deal vs. I want a particular guy or ceiling or role, it feels like the worse drafting teams, more competitive teams are advantaged. Take a look at the Eichel situation, where Vegas gave up Krebs, who is a good prospect but not on the level of the real blue chippers in the league.

It's going to be hard for the Kings to make trades when GMs just want the clout of just getting the "best prospect" vs. targeting players on the very top end of these deals.

 

[lexlavender]

I will also say I think the Kings are overdue on a trade of some of their cupboard soon. We either need to start consolidating our assets into quality or moneyball Tmac so that our prospects can grow. You have players like Kopitar and brown, and probably even lesser guys like AA blocking development at the top, and perennial AHLers like Frk and Tynan blocking development at the bottom. Something has to give.

Sidenote, I am fine with having skilled ahlers in the bottom if it means our best prospects can get into a post season, I can understand that balancing act in the A. Still, we have too many guys LOL

 

[KingsFan7824]

I love how the Mike Richards trade keeps being brought up without taking into consideration the obvious..
We had a 24YO Kopi and a 22YO Drew.. which two of our prospects equals those two? You make that type of trade when you know what Byfield, Turcotte, Clarke, Kaliyev.. etc are or know enough., I swear this is the exact same shit everyone on here talked about not wanting to happen but now that we’re playoff contenders which a few of you didn’t think would happen.. you want to trade some of our best prospects for what?? Seriously, for f***en what?? A second round exit? If that!
The team is progressing much better and quicker than anticipated, we need to stay the course.. Do we need an upgrade at LHD, yes.. but a Soucy of Edler type of vet does it, no need to go full LA Lakers on this..

The Kings still weren't a contender after getting Richards though. Not just one, but two team altering moves away from Richards helping this franchise be anything more than a 1st rd and out team. DL tried selling us on a broken down Simon Gagne as an answer. And of course he was a former Flyer when DL and Hextall worked there.

 

[kings11]

The Kings still weren't a contender after getting Richards though. Not just one, but two team altering moves away from Richards helping this franchise be anything more than a 1st rd and out team. DL tried selling us on a broken down Simon Gagne as an answer. And of course he was a former Flyer when DL and Hextall worked there.

You’re missing the point, we had two established young stars with Kopi coming off of a 73pt campaign with 81pt the year before that.. we don’t have that yet, we aren’t t at that stage. When Byfield is there, which I think he will be.. then you make that huge trade but for now you add vets to lead the playoff push and help teach the kids

 

[Kurrilino]

And is such an individual available?

If he's not, should the Kings just wait? Make some moves here and there, trting to get better, but nothing that changes the game? The Smyth, Williams, Stoll, Scuderi, Mitchell type moves. Not that there are many vets like that around anymore. Williams was great in big moments, historically great, but he wasn't actually taking a team anywhere.

Absolutely

There is no rule in the NHL that you have to make trades.
We drafted lots of talents and have the luxury to see who is cutting it and who is not.
Holes can be filled when we contend for the cup.

Right now we would do us no favor trading away what we collect with pain and tears over a long time
for a glorified top 4 defender.

Just because he is a top defender in Arizona, doesn't make him a top defender

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Wait a minute! I called for this weeks ago a la Ovechkin and you made fun of me with a ridiculous straw man slam that I was calling 34 Ovechkin.

No...you were calling for Kaliyev to play 5 minutes of a 2 minute power play....slightly different.