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Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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This is one time I'm glad Blake is very conservative with the prospects.

It would be easy to go HAM at this deadline and go on a shopping spree with some of our trade chips but we just don't know what some of them even are yet. You'd never get fair value out of Faber, Spence for example.
 
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bland said:
Funny, this is exactly what we have been talking about for years and years, and it isn't even just about one line, its the whole team. Its the devil of longterm contracts in stark relief - the older, now faded Cup core veterans have too much clout in presence alone, much less active decision making.

The organization isn't going to take a major step forward until they and their influence is replaced by the kids. The longer they are kept deferring in support positions, the worse off they will be - the kids have been developed to be safe and fit into supporting roles instead of being allowed to play up to their abilities. That can't happen without suffering first, its all part and parcel of the rebuild.

You have to be willing to accept loses while building, but patronizing and lionizing the vets hasn't been a bridge to the future as much as slapping one coat of paint on a rusty door.
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The kids should take it if they want it. Apparently nobody is stopping them from asserting themselves, except themselves. Take the locker room. I don't care if you play 8 min a night. Dress for the job you want. Act like this is your team.

You think Doughty waited? They had veterans all over the place, and nobody could stop his tantrums. Even as they were marching toward a Cup.

One of the criticisms of the youth from the DL era was thar they weren't actual leaders. So if all these kids are real leaders, it really shouldn't be that difficult to usurp any old heads still here. Brown checked out after DL and Sutter took the C. Kopitar is weak. Doughty relies on others too much. Quick is Quick, but he's a goalie.
 
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Dykstra said:
Roy’s physical presence can’t be undervalued and if I remember well from the international tournaments Faber isn’t that physical.
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Yup, unless we're gonna bring in a Romanov or Sergachev we'll need to keep Roy for that aspect alone.

A D core of Doughty, Spence, Durzi, Clarke, Anderson, and Bjornfot would be MURDERED. Probably softest in the entire NHL.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
The kids should take it if they want it. Apparently nobody is stopping them from asserting themselves, except themselves. Take the locker room. I don't care if you play 8 min a night. Dress for the job you want. Act like this is your team.

You think Doughty waited? They had veterans all over the place, and nobody could stop his tantrums. Even as they were marching toward a Cup.

One of the criticisms of the youth from the DL era was thar they weren't actual leaders. So if all these kids are real leaders, it really shouldn't be that difficult to usurp any old heads still here. Brown checked out after DL and Sutter took the C. Kopitar is weak. Doughty relies on others too much. Quick is Quick, but he's a goalie.
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There is truth to this. Guys need to take charge. But its also a different era in the league as well as the world in general. Theres a huge microscope on pro athletes and their behavior.
The core that won needed some ring leaders and guys with swagger like Stoll, Richards and Carter. Its tough for kids to not be shy when you are coming into a team with a core that will have statues of them outside and their jerseys in the rafters who have a strong presence in the organization. Theres no mucking around doing cocaine in Vegas with the boys anymore. The veterans are mostly family men now.
I think part of the reason Durzi is having success is his confidence and purpose on the ice are greater than his actual abilities as a player. Its something the Kings needed.
 
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Assuming all players are healthy and we don’t make any trades at the deadline, what’s your roster for the rest of the season?
 
kilowatt said:
Assuming all players are healthy and we don’t make any trades at the deadline, what’s your roster for the rest of the season?
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That;s a good one, assuming Brown, etc, everyone is health, but Walker remains out etc?

Kempe - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Kupari - Byfield - Vilardi
Lemieux - Lizotte - Iafallo/Brown/AA/Grundstrom

You can send Kupari down I suppose and but AA/IA there instead and have two extra forwards

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Doughty - Andersson
Roy - Edler
Durzi - Bjornfoot
Maata
 
King'sPawn said:
That's fair. I'm not saying you have to take Hoven's word as gospel. You're all intelligent enough to come to your conclusions.

I'm just pushing back on:
- the notion that Blake is the only person who has an inkling of what direction the Kings are going
- the idea that Hoven doesn't have resources that help him formulate an informed opinion.

Nobody is saying that Hoven (or Jesse, Zach Dooley, etc) are getting all the dirty details straight from Blake's mouth. But there are circles in hockey and they talk to each other. Not just in LA, but across the league and even in juniors.

Don't like the content? Unfortunate but understandable.

Don't believe that Hoven (or any of the recognized LA bloggers) is actually speaking with a variety of resources they trust to give an honest assessment? Then I feel the air needs to be cleared.
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I have always found that Hoven has been pretty clear when it's his opinion or if something has come from sources (as we all know sources have mixed levels of insight and access themselves). I also find people tend to jump onto things he 'got wrong' but ignore the context. It was like the Iafallo deadline sign or trade saga. Hoven was saying that it was looking like he was going to get traded (as things stood). Because he signed people say Hoven was wrong, even though I read in more than one place that one of the parties (I forget who) shifted their position. So he wasn't wrong, the context changed.

I'm yet to see a sports journalist that has a 100% hit rate on predicting anything. I can't talk to the Twitter stuff as I don't pay that much attention to the medium. I will say though that when I had an issue with the order I placed with Manscaped using the code from his podcast he was incredibly helpful and went far beyond what I expected in helping me resolve it. So apart from anything else he seems to be a decent bloke, there was no arrogance or ego, he just wanted to help.
 
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LAKings88 said:
As much as I like Roy I think this is the answer.

Faber will likely be able to do what Roy can do.
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kinghock said:
Faber will likely be able to do what Roy can do much better
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I don't know. This is very wishful thinking IMO. It usually takes defensemen a long time to become very good defensively in the NHL. Most of the time it doesn't happen until their mid 20's.

If you want Faber to bring what Roy brings now you might be waiting a long long time.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
This is one time I'm glad Blake is very conservative with the prospects.

It would be easy to go HAM at this deadline and go on a shopping spree with some of our trade chips but we just don't know what some of them even are yet. You'd never get fair value out of Faber, Spence for example.
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Buffalo is looking for a RD partner for Powers. Pretty sure they've noticed Faber after edging out powers for big10 D of the year & may pay a decent amount for him.


ottawa said:
Me thinks Bergevin tries to trade for Lehkonen, he always loved him when he was with the habs.

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I'm sure there's interest. Not at a 1st round pick. MTL fans are in a feeding frenzy after Chiarot.

KingsHockey24 said:
Yup, unless we're gonna bring in a Romanov or Sergachev we'll need to keep Roy for that aspect alone.

A D core of Doughty, Spence, Durzi, Clarke, Anderson, and Bjornfot would be MURDERED. Probably softest in the entire NHL.
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What are your thoughts on Logan Stanley? Big guys can take longer to put things together.
 
Dykstra said:
Roy’s physical presence can’t be undervalued and if I remember well from the international tournaments Faber isn’t that physical.
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I remember from the international tournaments that Faber is strong and physical.

Also he can handle bigger players, because he really knows how to use his body correctly.

And he has better hockey IQ and better skating comparing to Roy and Roy does not have bad skating and low IQ.
 
FSL KINGS said:
Buffalo is looking for a RD partner for Powers. Pretty sure they've noticed Faber after edging out powers for big10 D of the year & may pay a decent amount for him.



I'm sure there's interest. Not at a 1st round pick. MTL fans are in a feeding frenzy after Chiarot.


What are your thoughts on Logan Stanley? Big guys can take longer to put things together.
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Quote from you: “Buffalo is looking for a RD partner for Powers. Pretty sure they've noticed Faber after edging out powers for big10 D of the year & may pay a decent amount for him”.

Decent amount is not good enough for Faber in my opinion. He should be only traded for big overpayment or for equally talented player in position of need (young elite goalie or young elite LD).

I would trade Faber for Wallstedt from Minnesota…
 
kinghock said:
Quote from you: “Buffalo is looking for a RD partner for Powers. Pretty sure they've noticed Faber after edging out powers for big10 D of the year & may pay a decent amount for him”.

Decent amount is not good enough for Faber in my opinion. He should be only traded for big overpayment or for equally talented player in position of need (young elite goalie or young elite LD).

I would trade Faber for Wallstedt from Minnesota…
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I agree. This is one reason the Kings would be smart to trade a veteran D instead of their prospects in the off season or next trade deadline if one of the prospects force their way onto the Kings. The return is better and frees up cap space for additional upgrades.
 
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