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Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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FSL KINGS said:
Are they trying to say Maatta, Durzi isn't an acceptable "Top Pair"? No #@%>&#&$ #%&$s!_
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:-)

They're saying a Stanley Cup Contender needs:

An Elite No. 1 defenseman; A second No. 1 defenseman to play behind him; A top-pairing defenseman to help anchor a strong second pair with the No. 2;
Another top-pairing caliber defender to crush soft minutes on the third pair.
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So what they're saying is that neither Maatta nor Durzi is acceptable as a solid #2 defenseman.
 
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bland said:
I think its just the interjection of opinion into news reporting without a clear separation that causes these kinds of reactions. Its not the information, its the formatting.

I am glad to have, but the audience gives different weight to the two types of content despite it being presented in the same manner.
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At the risk of sounding like I'm making excuses, I think it's just the nature of the Internet evolving.

It's like these forums - every post is "in my opinion", but can you imagine everyone preceding every sentence on here with "in my opinion..."?

Hoven could just say "I think..." or "It would surprise me if..." to very clearly delineate his opinion versus fact, but I think it's rather clear when they don't directly quote the source.

Again, I understand how reading/listening to an opinion may come across as fact - AND I understand how that presentation may be grating if that's how you interpret it. I just think if you realize, barring a direct quote being provided, you can fairly assume it's an opinion. At that point, hopefully your experience would be better.
 
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johnjm22 said:
I agree. I like what I'm reading here.

At this point there's really no reason Kopitar's ice time should hit the 20 minute mark.

The only 3 forwards in the league that have played more minutes than Kopitar are Kyle Conner (25yo), Draisaitl (26yo) and McDavid (25yo). All 3 of them also have softer deployment than Kopitar.

There's really no excuse for his poor TOI management by the coaching staff. It's totally braindead.
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Kopitar makes $10M. That’s why he is put out there as much as he is. This franchises problem since winning cups is not getting the production for pay from players from top to bottom. It’s across multiple GMs. Every single coach assigns ice time based on status and time in service.

Players have to show they aren’t worth their contracts for 80-200 games before changes are made. And there are still 4 untouchables who have that label more for what they did 10 years ago than the past 5 years.
 
King'sPawn said:
At the risk of sounding like I'm making excuses, I think it's just the nature of the Internet evolving.

It's like these forums - every post is "in my opinion", but can you imagine everyone preceding every sentence on here with "in my opinion..."?

Hoven could just say "I think..." or "It would surprise me if..." to very clearly delineate his opinion versus fact, but I think it's rather clear when they don't directly quote the source.

Again, I understand how reading/listening to an opinion may come across as fact - AND I understand how that presentation may be grating if that's how you interpret it. I just think if you realize, barring a direct quote being provided, you can fairly assume it's an opinion. At that point, hopefully your experience would be better.
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You think its rather clear that its his opinion, I think its rather clear that its his opinion, but the whole backlash here is caused by people who seem to miss that and post it here as fact.

If my opinion differs from Hoven's opinion, then discussing with someone who takes Hoven's word as gospel is pointless.
 
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DoktorJeep said:
Kopitar makes $10M. That’s why he is put out there as much as he is. This franchises problem since winning cups is not getting the production for pay from players from top to bottom. It’s across multiple GMs. Every single coach assigns ice time based on status and time in service.

Players have to show they aren’t worth their contracts for 80-200 games before changes are made. And there are still 4 untouchables who have that label more for what they did 10 years ago than the past 5 years.
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I think the main problem since winning the cups, is simply not having enough talented players. The rosters have been weak. This season has been the first time in years the Kings have actually had some depth.

I expect a coach to optimize his players utilization. I get that an accomplished veteran with a big contract is going to get a long leash.

People always talk about leadership when it comes to players, but the truth is your real leader is your coach. Part of being a leader is making difficult decisions, and putting the people beneath you (the players) in a position to succeed regardless of whether or not they agree with it.
 
johnjm22 said:
I think the main problem since winning the cups, is simply not having enough talented players. The rosters have been weak. This season has been the first time in years the Kings have actually had some depth.

I expect a coach to optimize his players utilization. I get that an accomplished veteran with a big contract is going to get a long leash.

People always talk about leadership when it comes to players, but the truth is your real leader is your coach. Part of being a leader is making difficult decisions, and putting the people beneath you (the players) in a position to succeed regardless of whether or not they agree with it.
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Yup. The Kings never had enough talent in those years following the cups.

Gaborik had one good year in 2015 then collapsed. Williams struggled and then left. Brown has been other than one season a non-factor offensively. Toffoli and Pearson never really turned into the high end wingers we all thought in 2014 and ofcourse the drafting of skilled players has been as bad as anyone in the league. The trading of a draft pick that would have likely produced a star offensive player didn't help either.

A purely offensive finisher like Arvy on those teams would have made a huge difference, the Kings just couldn't score enough goals.
 
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JohnWhite said:
They pay money to get top access to sources?
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Money, gifts and favors are traded for SCOOPS. Favors being floating fake news in exchange for an occasional hit.
You didn’t think that front office people give them scoops because they like the way you part your hair? What purpose does that serve.
As an example, couple of years ago the Clippers payrolled all of the influential national and local media members to trumpet them in hopes that it will create good graces with the Leanord, George’s and other big free agents. That was one of the worst hidden secrets out there.
 
YAYSAy said:
Agreed. Wouldn't be surprised to see a regression of the team in a season or two when the vets are even older and the kids who were never given the keys and thus don't know how to drive. Hopefully the kid line can have success and make a name for themselves.
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Yeah, right now the kids having driving permits but aren't given the wheel

But the vets are drunk with DUIs and it would be the perfect time
 
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redcard said:
You think its rather clear that its his opinion, I think its rather clear that its his opinion, but the whole backlash here is caused by people who seem to miss that and post it here as fact.

If my opinion differs from Hoven's opinion, then discussing with someone who takes Hoven's word as gospel is pointless.
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I don't think its missed though, I think the argument is always about the weight given and folks are naturally going to assume that an "insider" is privy to information the average folks don't have access to, so when an opinion - obvious or otherwise - is interjected its supposed to be more trusted than that of you or me when often times it is just spitballing.

You avoid that by either sticking to information or conjecture, mixing the two is inadvisable from someone trying to be a source for either.

Or just continue on and irritate a whole section of your already limited audience just to flaunt your access.
 
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Herby said:
Yup. The Kings never had enough talent in those years following the cups.

Gaborik had one good year in 2015 then collapsed. Williams struggled and then left. Brown has been other than one season a non-factor offensively. Toffoli and Pearson never really turned into the high end wingers we all thought in 2014 and ofcourse the drafting of skilled players has been as bad as anyone in the league. The trading of a draft pick that would have likely produced a star offensive player didn't help either.

A purely offensive finisher like Arvy on those teams would have made a huge difference, the Kings just couldn't score enough goals.
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Thing is, it was obviously heading in that direction. Lombardi contracted himself into a corner and the last 6 years were highly predictable.

When you have the highest amount of "retirement" contracts the league had seen in the cap era, next to nothing to trade, very, very few cost controlled productive assets and have lost so many of your emotional and on ice catalysts to age, well, there was nowhere to go but straight down.

Even when you had Hart, Selke, Norris and Vezina level performances out of your stars the above mentioned factors made it impossible to succeed. I advocated for the rebuild at the end of the 14-15 season because it if you looked at the summation of the parts it was unavoidable.
 
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bland said:
I don't think its missed though, I think the argument is always about the weight given and folks are naturally going to assume that an "insider" is privy to information the average folks don't have access to, so when an opinion - obvious or otherwise - is interjected its supposed to be more trusted than that of you or me when often times it is just spitballing.

You avoid that by either sticking to information or conjecture, mixing the two is inadvisable from someone trying to be a source for either.

Or just continue on and irritate a whole section of your already limited audience just to flaunt your access.
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I believe that Hoven believes what he hears so it comes off as facts. You can tell when he is all in and when he gives himself room for error.
My issue, if it’s an issue at all, is JH’s reaction to fans when they call him on it. It’s textbook narcissistic behavior. You don’t need to neg people while championing yourself. It’s very clear that he wants to be a part of the cool kids crowd and often it seems he believes that he is the man.
 
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bland said:
Thing is, it was obviously heading in that direction. Lombardi contracted himself into a corner and the last 6 years were highly predictable.

When you have the highest amount of "retirement" contracts the league had seen in the cap era, next to nothing to trade, very, very few cost controlled productive assets and have lost so many of your emotional and on ice catalysts to age, well, there was nowhere to go but straight down.

Even when you had Hart, Selke, Norris and Vezina level performances out of your stars the above mentioned factors made it impossible to succeed. I advocated for the rebuild at the end of the 14-15 season because it if you looked at the summation of the parts it was unavoidable.
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Wait, you didn't call for the rebuild back then because you hated Kopitar, Doughty, Brown and Quick?
 
No Name The Nameless said:
I believe that Hoven believes what he hears so it comes off as facts. You can tell when he is all in and when he gives himself room for error.
My issue, if it’s an issue at all, is JH’s reaction to fans when they call him on it. It’s textbook narcissistic behavior. You don’t need to neg people while championing yourself. It’s very clear that he wants to be a part of the cool kids crowd and often it seems he believes that he is the man.
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Here is the thing everyone needs to remember to keep Hoven's reporting in perspective: 20 years ago he was shouting insults at Rob Blake from behind the players' bench. That's not to say Hoven hasn't evolved into a reporter in some ways, but the same could have happened for any Kings fan around that long with the time and the inkling to do what Hoven is doing.

Point is, Hoven's interest in the Kings did not begin as a professional journalist. Professional journalism? Does anyone these days practice the basics of what used to be considered professional journalism?
 
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KINGS17 said:
Wait, you didn't call for the rebuild back then because you hated Kopitar, Doughty, Brown and Quick?
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Remember all that shit back on LGK? I know you were always a lot more fond of Brown than me, and King'sPawn was more fond of Kopitar for sure, but that was always civil. The amount of sheer nonsense especially from the Slovenians was so ridiculously over the top.

There was one guy, and I think I still see him on the mainboard here because the name was so specific, that actually threatened to "gut me like a fish if I ever crossed the Slovenian border" just because I cracked a joke about something that apparently they were quite sensitive about. The dude said something about how beautiful the Slovenian women were compared to Americans and I said "oh I know, and they are some of the most reasonably priced in all of Amsterdam too".

Those were the days. Pickin' stones and pullin' teets.

Funny, I have always considered Doughty to be the best player ever drafted and developed by this organization, yet he has never had a segment of the fanbase that connected as deeply with him as the other three you mentioned.
 
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kings are gonna have are a real problem with what to do with all the RD they have, spence looks good. nice problem to have.
 
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