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Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

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Johnny Utah said:
Kings get even softer. The only tough player is Lemieux. Edler has some balls, but he's out too.

That leaves Kempe and AA as the toughest Kings - pretty sad.

Blake really needs to look at a temp fix for this for the playoffs - even if it's a Clifford or Middleton from SJ.
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So much for "play the kids, get them experience" mantra. He's played 10 games this year, now what does that tell you? BTW, he just signed a two year extension with the Leafs...WTF?

I do agree, we are very thin on toughness.
 
Have faith in the Hockey Gods. The schedule is going to be compacted & hard on all teams. VGK & EDM continue losing to bad teams. Just keep forechecking & skating hard!

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beedee said:
"Tough" isn't the word I'd use to describe Lemieux.

I agree though, adding some actual toughness before the playoffs would be great.
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In the modern NHL he is what toughness is for a lot of teams.

The Kings don't have the talent throughout the lineup to ice a player who can't contribute anything offensively.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
And now, with lineup deficiencies, we have a real problem--if you ever wanted to amp up Kopitar's minutes, it would make a bit of sense NOW--but having wasted 24 min a game on random bullshit one off games in Dec has clearly taken a toll. Now with a condensed schedule and injuries it will become a bigger issue. Should have been giving those extra minutes to growing Cs all along...
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You know, I kept thinking this too, but I went back through and sorted Kopi’s games by highest TOI and you don’t find “random” games until you get into 21 minutes or fewer. My definition of random is a game won or lost by one goal (excluding empty net goals). When looked at in breadth, it’s not actually that crazy.

The counterpoint to that though is that in games where Kopitar plays 20 minutes or fewer, LA is 15-7-1, and when he plays greater than 20 minutes, 17-12-6.

I haven’t drawn any conclusions from that of course. It’s not as simple as “playing him less is clearly better”, but it’s certainly worth noting. Is he more effective with less ice time? Do other lines do better with comparatively more ice time?
 
kilowatt said:
You know, I kept thinking this too, but I went back through and sorted Kopi’s games by highest TOI and you don’t find “random” games until you get into 21 minutes or fewer. My definition of random is a game won or lost by one goal (excluding empty net goals). When looked at in breadth, it’s not actually that crazy.

The counterpoint to that though is that in games where Kopitar plays 20 minutes or fewer, LA is 15-7-1, and when he plays greater than 20 minutes, 17-12-6.

I haven’t drawn any conclusions from that of course. It’s not as simple as “playing him less is clearly better”, but it’s certainly worth noting. Is he more effective with less ice time? Do other lines do better with comparatively more ice time?
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I'm all for playing him less minutes but I'll tell you what those splits mean:

The games with over 20 minutes meant the Kings had several power plays which is why the record is worse.
 
I wonder if injuries impact our trade deadline plans at all. There’s the (admittedly strange) “reward” aspect of bringing someone at the trade deadline, which management often alludes to, but the counterpoint is that if guys are injured, should the team be “compensated” by management for losing those guys? I don’t know, but if Arvidsson is out long term for example, it’d be a huge blow unless a guy like Vilardi or Andersson (or even Fagemo) can step in and contribute.
 
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BigKing said:
I'm all for playing him less minutes but I'll tell you what those splits mean:

The games with over 20 minutes meant the Kings had several power plays which is why the record is worse.
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Interestingly, his highest recorded ice time this season — 26:14 in a 2-1 win against Vancouver on 12/30 — had a single powerplay.
 
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Interestingly, his highest recorded ice time this season — 26:14 in a 2-1 win against Vancouver on 12/30 — had a single powerplay.
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I was taking a dump on the power play with my comment but, in that Vancouver game, were the Kings short handed a lot and somehow had a good PK with Kopitar playing a lot of minutes?

That may have been back in time where Kupari or someone was the 3C and got banished to the bench.
 
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I would argue those OTLs are heavily impacted by his icetime and I'm willing to bet he was on for the losing goal in each of them, or at least 5 of 6.
 
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BigKing said:
I was taking a dump on the power play with my comment but, in that Vancouver game, were the Kings short handed a lot and somehow had a good PK with Kopitar playing a lot of minutes?

That may have been back in time where Kupari or someone was the 3C and got banished to the bench.
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It was this game

Vancouver Canucks - Los Angeles Kings - December 30th, 2021

Not a lot of special teams but IIRC it was one in which i was especially fuming because of the deployment of the kids

Edit; yep that's the game wehre I got really mad because the Turcotte-Grundstrom-Kupari line was clearly the 2nd most effective line that night yet Kopitar tripled them up in icetime and it was all downhill from there for Turcotte's deployment

But Kopitar earned it that night too because they were absolutely running over the Canucks

Of course that was 2.5 months and who knows how many thousands of minutes ago
 
redcard said:
That line is what most people are clamoring for.
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Yes it is. Only downside is you cant use initials when discussing what happened on a particular play... im looking for kaliyev to get set up off the dots Carter/Stamkos style by Kopi who is good at short passes.. most of Kaliyevs shots have been from upper 1/3 of the ozone or around the net on scrambles.. looking fwd to this alot
 
BigKing said:
I was taking a dump on the power play with my comment but, in that Vancouver game, were the Kings short handed a lot and somehow had a good PK with Kopitar playing a lot of minutes?

That may have been back in time where Kupari or someone was the 3C and got banished to the bench.
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I approve of all dumps on our horrendous power play. But no, in this game in particular, Kupari, Grundstrom, and Turcotte played fewer than ten minutes each and for some reason, Danault had the 5th-least time on ice.
 
AbsentMojo said:
Yes it is. Only downside is you cant use initials when discussing what happened on a particular play... im looking for kaliyev to get set up off the dots Carter/Stamkos style by Kopi who is good at short passes.. most of Kaliyevs shots have been from upper 1/3 of the ozone or around the net on scrambles.. looking fwd to this alot
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Gonna have to settle for numbers, 34 from 11 after a nice rush by 9.
 
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Just saw that tweet about week-to-week for the injured guys: no surprises there although I thought RV might actually be day-to-day. Kind of knew that designation was just a "on a road trip and we can tell it isn't a 4-6 week thing right off the bat" kind of deal.

Lemieux's knee bent in a way that you usually don't just miss a couple of days for. Believe this would be the second time for Anderson this season that he has been hit, came back in and then had to exit a game because of a concussion. I'm assuming that's what it is since that hit turned him into a bobblehead and they are calling it an upper-body...hope it isn't a concussion. That would be two in a pretty short time span.
 
If Kopitar, Kempe & Kaliyev stick we'll have to come up with a good name for the line.

AK54
Trinity Krown
Royal Krown
 
BigKing said:
Just saw that tweet about week-to-week for the injured guys: no surprises there although I thought RV might actually be day-to-day. Kind of knew that designation was just a "on a road trip and we can tell it isn't a 4-6 week thing right off the bat" kind of deal.

Lemieux's knee bent in a way that you usually don't just miss a couple of days for. Believe this would be the second time for Anderson this season that he has been hit, came back in and then had to exit a game because of a concussion. I'm assuming that's what it is since that hit turned him into a bobblehead and they are calling it an upper-body...hope it isn't a concussion. That would be two in a pretty short time span.
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It does suck for MAnderson - he was getting a lot of confidence built up - mr stick check. So that hurts. Re Lemieux I see Grundstrom as the best replacement where he's got the grit and skating to sort of slot in for 48. 22 for 33 - they are totally different styles - that line will have to adapt - since 22 is more north south rush player vs RV who is a hyper active cut and drive in the ozone .. Knowing what Ive seen from Danault, he will make it work somehow.
 
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