Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[FSL KINGS]

 

[Sol]

What’s the purpose of this

 

[All The Kings Men]

What’s the purpose of this

One possible explanation is literally in the tweet.

 

[lumbergh]

If that’s the case why does a team necessarily want him? I’m no fan, do not get me wrong, but I don’t see anyone giving us anything of great value just for Durzi. He needs to be packaged if we wanted to move him.

Durzi is on pace for 35 points in his first 82 games. That’s definitely worth something. If there’s an eastern team that has use for a RHD power play guy, he surely has value. The Kings traded away Jack Johnson because they had a player as good or better in the minors. Someone else can use Sean.

I would think his value is something like a 2nd-3rd round pick for the right buyer. It’s really a matter of finding the right trade partner who has something of value to the Kings (let’s say a goalie prospect in the AHL or a solid pick) and who could use a Sean Durzi in the right role.

I don’t hate Sean Durzi, but I just think he has a real tendency to be overly aggressive in his reads and plays and it costs the Kings. He scores enough to make up for it, but Spence or Clarke could take on that role and be smarter at it.

 

[bmr]

Durzi is on pace for 35 points in his first 82 games. That’s definitely worth something. If there’s an eastern team that has use for a RHD power play guy, he surely has value. The Kings traded away Jack Johnson because they had a player as good or better in the minors. Someone else can use Sean.

I would think his value is something like a 2nd-3rd round pick for the right buyer. It’s really a matter of finding the right trade partner who has something of value to the Kings (let’s say a goalie prospect in the AHL or a solid pick) and who could use a Sean Durzi in the right role.

I don’t hate Sean Durzi, but I just think he has a real tendency to be overly aggressive in his reads and plays and it costs the Kings. He scores enough to make up for it, but Spence or Clarke could take on that role and be smarter at it.

If you pushed me on Spence or Durzi, i'd probably take Spence. I think you are gonna get the same output and not have the same defensive lapses. Spence is one of the most efficient players i've ever seen at his size.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I’m super down on Byfield and even I think the Kings should hold on to him for at least the next two years.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The Kings traded away Jack Johnson because they had a player as good or better in the minors. Someone else can use Sean.

By the time JMFJ was traded, Voynov had played 33 games with the Kings that year. Essentially being swapped in and out with Martinez almost all year.

If Gagne and Penner had done the jobs they were brought in to do, I have absolutely 0% doubt in my mind that Carter is never here, and that DL would've been more than happy to go into the playoffs with a D of Doughty, Johnson, Scuderi, Mitchell, Greene, Voynov, and Martinez. Because as we saw in 2013 and 2014, what happened with the D in 2012 is pretty rare.

Johnson was traded because the team was desperate for offense on the wing in a contender season going wrong, not because some even younger guy was just as good in the AHL.

 

[Sol]

One possible explanation is literally in the tweet.

Thanks for the snarky response. You can just explain rather than be condescending. I was asking what that actually means since I don’t know what cap replayed means.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Thanks for the snarky response. You can just explain rather than be condescending. I was asking what that actually means since I don’t know what cap replayed means.

'cap replayed' I googled that and nothing.. maybe a typo

 

[Kurrilino]

I do not believe in Durzi at all
As offensive specialist who could be getting top PP minutes, he could be making turnovers left and right.
To play him on PK or in OT should be punishable offense for his coach.

Durzi is not the problem, neither is Spence.
It the way how we use our defense.
We nobody who is a stay at home defenseman that can shut down opposing top players.
All of our defenders are offensive minded and undersized.

We need to get people like Grans into the team at some point.
Players with size and speed who play physical.

If you have a rock solid defense, then you can have the luxury of Durzi or Spence running offensive rampage.
Until then Spence and Durzi shouldn't be on the team.

Anderson - Doughty
Grans - Clarke
Moverare - Roy

This would come to my mind as a short term solution.
Then trading for a guy like Cal Foote

'cap replayed' I googled that and nothing.. maybe a typo

I'm sure they mean cap related

 

[KingsHockey24]

I’m super down on Byfield and even I think the Kings should hold on to him for at least the next two years.

Down as in disappointed or down as in like "I'm down to have you do a line of coke off my butt?" kinda down?

 

[AbsentMojo]

Down as in disappointed or down as in like "I'm down to have you do a line of coke off my butt?" kinda down?

I think he meant the former, but lets discuss the latter

 

[Fishhead]

By the time JMFJ was traded, Voynov had played 33 games with the Kings that year. Essentially being swapped in and out with Martinez almost all year.

If Gagne and Penner had done the jobs they were brought in to do, I have absolutely 0% doubt in my mind that Carter is never here, and that DL would've been more than happy to go into the playoffs with a D of Doughty, Johnson, Scuderi, Mitchell, Greene, Voynov, and Martinez. Because as we saw in 2013 and 2014, what happened with the D in 2012 is pretty rare.

Johnson was traded because the team was desperate for offense on the wing in a contender season going wrong, not because some even younger guy was just as good in the AHL.

I think both played a part. Lombardi certainly didn't want to send Voynov down, I remember that much. For one, he was a righty and DL loved his lefty-righty pairs. He was always very open about that and didn't like guys playing on their off hand. Voynov looked fantastic with Mitchell, lights out.

So yeah offense had something to do with it, but DL knew 100% he could move JJ without missing a beat. I doubt DL even calls CLB without that in the back of his mind, he had to know he would have to make a hell of an offer, given that Carter was just acquired for a big price.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I think he meant the former, but lets discuss the latter

I just haven't been impressed with Byfield at all since drafting him.

I don't think he's put together more than two games in a row where he was noticeably good.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I just haven't been impressed with Byfield at all since drafting him.

I don't think he's put together more than two games in a row where he was noticeably good.

Its hard to remember but before he slammed into the boards and broke his ankle he had 3 or 4 good games in a row... at least thats how i remember it.. But totally agree since he's come back, he has not done anything to make you think he's ready to contribute. Vilardi looked like a bust before he just came alive... so maybe QB just needs some more reps. Id try him at wing to see if less responsibility on D might ignite him a bit.

 

[bmr]

Durzi is not the problem, neither is Spence.
It the way how we use our defense.
We nobody who is a stay at home defenseman that can shut down opposing top players.
All of our defenders are offensive minded and undersized.

We need to get people like Grans into the team at some point.
Players with size and speed who play physical.

If you have a rock solid defense, then you can have the luxury of Durzi or Spence running offensive rampage.
Until then Spence and Durzi shouldn't be on the team.

Anderson - Doughty
Grans - Clarke
Moverare - Roy

This would come to my mind as a short term solution.
Then trading for a guy like Cal Foote


I'm sure they mean cap related

Agree to an extent. I just haven't seen Spence prone to the same defensive lapses as Durzi. Guy is just a machine. 42 points in 48 games in Ontario in his first year! 8 points in 8 games this year in Ontario. He was a bit overmatched in the playoffs last year but he's doing this as a 21 year old rookie and that is to be expected. He really isn't as small as I thought. 5'10" and 180 lbs.

 

[SufferingSelfCreated]

By the time JMFJ was traded, Voynov had played 33 games with the Kings that year. Essentially being swapped in and out with Martinez almost all year.

If Gagne and Penner had done the jobs they were brought in to do, I have absolutely 0% doubt in my mind that Carter is never here, and that DL would've been more than happy to go into the playoffs with a D of Doughty, Johnson, Scuderi, Mitchell, Greene, Voynov, and Martinez. Because as we saw in 2013 and 2014, what happened with the D in 2012 is pretty rare.

Johnson was traded because the team was desperate for offense on the wing in a contender season going wrong, not because some even younger guy was just as good in the AHL.

Well, we made the Playoffs,added Fiala & Danault, if we don't do something to shore up the D & Goaltending via trade, this will be a contending season gone wrong as well imo.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Well, we made the Playoffs,added Fiala & Danault, if we don't do something to shore up the D & Goaltending via trade, this will be a contending season gone wrong as well imo.

But Durzi doesn't have anywhere near the same name as Johnson did back then. You're not getting a goalie worth his salt for him. Durzi and a 1st doesn't get you the equivalent of Carter. Plus, 11-12 after getting Richards and Gagne was contender no question, even though the hadn't won a playoff series. That's not what this year is. This year is at the very least advance a round.

 

[King'sPawn]

But Durzi doesn't have anywhere near the same name as Johnson did back then. You're not getting a goalie worth his salt for him. Durzi and a 1st doesn't get you the equivalent of Carter. Plus, 11-12 after getting Richards and Gagne was contender no question, even though the hadn't won a playoff series. That's not what this year is. This year is at the very least advance a round.

Goalies traditionally don't have great value.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Goalies traditionally don't have great value.

Because good ones don't generally get traded, because who would trade a good goalie? There has to be something that makes that guy available. He has to be humiliated by the Canadiens in front of home fans, for example. He has to want out in some way. Like when Jones didn't want to be here because he wasn't taking the top spot from Quick. Who is the goalie that's available that will come in and change things tomorrow? Especially when Petersen will have to be going back the other way.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Is it just me or is the goalie pool in the NHL one of the weakest it's been in 20 years.

I mean - at one point we had Broduer, Lundqvist, Quick, Kiprusoff, Nabokov, Turco, Rinne, Miller, Luongo, Price, Rask and Fleury all in the NHL at once.

 

[Reaper45]

Down as in disappointed or down as in like "I'm down to have you do a line of coke off my butt?" kinda down?

The good thing about dreams is that they don’t have smells…

 

[King'sPawn]

Because good ones don't generally get traded, because who would trade a good goalie? There has to be something that makes that guy available. He has to be humiliated by the Canadiens in front of home fans, for example. He has to want out in some way. Like when Jones didn't want to be here because he wasn't taking the top spot from Quick. Who is the goalie that's available that will come in and change things tomorrow? Especially when Petersen will have to be going back the other way.

Good ones get traded for a variety of reasons. Sometimes, because the team anticipates they can't afford the goalie's new contract for how much they expect to play him. Martin Jones had earned a starting role, and he didn't want to be a backup. He went with Colin Miller AND a 1st for Milan Lucic.

Alex Nedeljkovic traded from Carolina to Detroit for Bernier plus a 3rd round pick - this was after 23 games of a sub 2.00 GAA and .931+ SV%. Cam Talbot, a decent enough goaltender, went for Filip Gustavsson. Vitek Vanecek went with a 2nd round pick to New Jersey in return for a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

And technically, Petersen doesn't have to go the other way. Salary has to go the other way - a team may not want a goalie in return if, say, they trade LA their backup but they have a good third-string goalie waiting in the pipeline to take the spot. Petersen could either be waived and assigned to the AHL or he could be sent in a separate trade to a different team.

The most notable fact is that with there being only 2 spots available for each NHL team, goalies have little value because teams can't hoard and bury decent ones.

 

[Schmooley]

Good ones get traded for a variety of reasons. Sometimes, because the team anticipates they can't afford the goalie's new contract for how much they expect to play him. Martin Jones had earned a starting role, and he didn't want to be a backup. He went with Colin Miller AND a 1st for Milan Lucic.

Alex Nedeljkovic traded from Carolina to Detroit for Bernier plus a 3rd round pick - this was after 23 games of a sub 2.00 GAA and .931+ SV%. Cam Talbot, a decent enough goaltender, went for Filip Gustavsson. Vitek Vanecek went with a 2nd round pick to New Jersey in return for a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

And technically, Petersen doesn't have to go the other way. Salary has to go the other way - a team may not want a goalie in return if, say, they trade LA their backup but they have a good third-string goalie waiting in the pipeline to take the spot. Petersen could either be waived and assigned to the AHL or he could be sent in a separate trade to a different team.

The most notable fact is that with there being only 2 spots available for each NHL team, goalies have little value because teams can't hoard and bury decent ones.

I wonder if they could get Swayman from Boston

 

[deaderhead28]

Time to let Byfield slip away now:

Byfield to Avs for Girard, firstrounder and Francouz.

Then ship Quick, Walker, Turcotte, Grans and a firstrounder to the Coyotes for Jacob Chychrun. Cup run.


Adrian Kempe - Anze Kopitar - Kevin Fiala
Alex Iafallo - Phillip Danault - Viktor Arvidsson
Trevor Moore - Gabriel Vilardi - Arthur Kaliyev
Brendan Lemieux - Blake Lizotte - Carl Grundström
Rasmus Kupari

Jacob Chychrun - Drew Doughty
Samuel Girard - Matt Roy
Mikey Anderson - Sean Durzi
Alexander Edler - Brandt Clarke

Cal Petersen
Pavel Francouz