Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season Part 2

[raswilliam]

kaliyev shouldnt have turned the puck over. i think that if he would have had better puck security, this goal wouldnt have happened.
lots of forwards getting back on d are pretty useless. The biggest factor imo on this goal against, was durzi not doing his job once again.

Todd with a front row seat to an arty turnover

 

[YP44]

A new GM.

A good one just left Calgary. Dubas is without a deal in Toronto too. If LA seriously thinks they have a shot at Matthews I would dig into the Dubas Mathews relationship and see if that would help their chances.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

A good one just left Calgary. Dubas is without a deal in Toronto too. If LA seriously thinks they have a shot at Matthews I would dig into the Dubas Mathews relationship and see if that would help their chances.

I don’t care who it is as long as it’s someone with a vision committed to properly developing a young core.

 

[Schrute farms]

A new GM.

You've won the internet today -- reaching heights that us mortals can only dream of. You my friend can take the rest of the day off.

 

[bouncesonly]

exactly. Same with Arvi. Are you really going to sign/extend them? I can't see it happening. So it's lose stuff in 2023-2024 season because you can't fit in salary wise; and then lose those two after one more season (for nothing). Or trade one (or both) with one season left, get value, and open up space for other pieces that fit needs and for the LT.

These are things that should have been considered and planned out before you sign Moore (etc.) to extensions. Again, seems like no LT planning involved by this FO.

Getting rid of Arvi or Roy to improve the outlook of the Kings is pointless and horrible decision making if you don't get rid of Kopitar and Doughty as well. As long as they are on the Kings, and want to win another cup, you're gonna have to do what you can to make that happen; and getting rid of Roy and Arvi is not gonna be it.

 

[Nasti]

A good one just left Calgary. Dubas is without a deal in Toronto too. If LA seriously thinks they have a shot at Matthews I would dig into the Dubas Mathews relationship and see if that would help their chances.

Treliving is horrible. I’d rather keep Blake.

 

[Lt Dan]

You've won the internet today -- reaching heights that us mortals can only dream of. You my friend can take the rest of the day off.

Can I go home early by proxy?

 

[YP44]

Treliving is horrible. I’d rather keep Blake.

Disagree

 

[dman3474]

Getting rid of Arvi or Roy to improve the outlook of the Kings is pointless and horrible decision making if you don't get rid of Kopitar and Doughty as well. As long as they are on the Kings, and want to win another cup, you're gonna have to do what you can to make that happen; and getting rid of Roy and Arvi is not gonna be it.

Are Kopitar and doughty’s contracts up after next season? Is it going to take a significant amount of money to re-sign kopitar and doughty that could hurt signing other players long term? Nope. Completely different situation. No one will touch either of those contracts without a good amount of retention.

Kopitar is still the first line center and it doesn't look like anyone is going to replace him or that he is going to slow down. But if he doesn't want to keep playing here after his contract ends they will probably look to move him too. My guess is he signs for less money and stays in LA on shorter term deals after.

Doughty still has 4 more years after this year on his contract, revisit this in a few years.

Lets say we sign both Roy and Ardvisson. They probably won't want to take short term deals, so if we are lucky we sign them to 4 years. This might be Arvidssons last contract, he may want more years. The cap should also be taking a good jump when the current contracts expire and they might want to go open market and max out what they can get. But lets say about 5-6mil for Arvi, maybe 4-5mil for Roy.

There are already two other Arvidssons in Iafallo and Moore. Moore was just signed and most likely not getting traded. Iafallo still has two more seasons. Then coming up there is still Kaliyev, Fagemo, Andersson and I'm sure I'm forgetting others who are pushing for a spot. The best value we would get for Arvi is now and use it to fill in other spots on the roster and free up cap space.

Roy would be re-signed in a second, if he was left handed. Two RHD probably need to be moved this off season. As much as I would like to keep Roy he has the most value to trade, second would be Durzi. Durzi can play (poorly) on both sides which makes him a more valuable as the team is thin on LHD. Walker needs to get traded too. With Spence and Clarke both fighting for spots next season, I see them rotating on the third pair until one really takes the spot and runs with it, someone needs to go. Roy is a very valuable trade piece and could return a VERY solid piece either at forward or LHD. LA simply has to many RHD.

TLDR: Use them both to possibly upgrade when they are most valuable, or replace with entry level deals to save money and spend elsewhere. Still need to sign a goalie.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Roy is 28yo and 1 year away from UFA status in less than 90 days. He makes $3.5M on the cap, second to Doughty at $11M for D.

Gavrikov is similar and rumored to look for a long term deal starting around $5M for cap hit. Rob Blake is currently the biggest sucker with the most skin in the game to make that happen. I doubt he slides a Roy contract in on July 1 which kicks in a year later and locks him up at a home town discount. He’s going to be busy making sure he didn’t waste a first round pick.

So Roy is a trade chip if you’re a smart GM. If you’re Blake, you’re going to have plenty of room to overpay for Doughty, Gavrikov and Roy as your D core because none of the supposed blue chippers you’ve drafted have hit enough to command legit money.

 

[kingsfan28]

kaliyev shouldnt have turned the puck over. i think that if he would have had better puck security, this goal wouldnt have happened.
lots of forwards getting back on d are pretty useless. The biggest factor imo on this goal against, was durzi not doing his job once again.

Dude you totally contradict yourself.

how is the inability to get the puck in deep durzi's fault? First, Kaliyev has the puck, turns it over the 1st time, Kupari gets the puck back, then goes cross ice to Kaliyev who turns it over again this time along the boards. Durzi's defending, tries to block the shot, he just misses it, goes under his leg, then 5 hole. Durzi doesn't have to try and block the shot , or get in the lane if the other two forwards do their jobs. Get the puck in deep and not dick around in the nuetral zone. I wonder if it was doughty or andersen who tried to block the shot and it goes in you'd lay equal blame on one of them. I;m guessing not.

 

[Bandit]

Dude you totally contradict yourself.

how is the inability to get the puck in deep durzi's fault? First, Kaliyev has the puck, turns it over the 1st time, Kupari gets the puck back, then goes cross ice to Kaliyev who turns it over again this time along the boards. Durzi's defending, tries to block the shot, he just misses it, goes under his leg, then 5 hole. Durzi doesn't have to try and block the shot , or get in the lane if the other two forwards do their jobs. Get the puck in deep and not dick around in the nuetral zone. I wonder if it was doughty or andersen who tried to block the shot and it goes in you'd lay equal blame on one of them. I;m guessing not.

Durzi’s inability to make a simple poke on the shooter when he’s 2 feet away is Durzi’s fault.

 

[kingsfan28]

Durzi’s inability to make a simple poke on the shooter when he’s 2 feet away is Durzi’s fault.

But without a turnover, the poke is unnecessary. the turnover caused everything, which he didn't do.

 

[Bandit]

But without a turnover, the poke is unnecessary. the turnover caused everything, which he didn't do.

I mean if you want to look at it like that then Kaliyev’s dad spooging in his mom started it all.

Or do we need to go back to the Big Bang?

 

[kingsfan28]

I mean if you want to look at it like that the Kaliyev’s dad spooging in him mom started it all.

That wasn't durzi fault either, but he'll still get blamed.

 

[Bandit]

That wasn't durzi fault either, but he'll still get blamed.

Touché.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

But without a turnover, the poke is unnecessary. the turnover caused everything, which he didn't do.

Durzi did do a turnover, though. The Kings were incredibly lackadaisical bringing the puck up the ice and regrouped multiple times. Durzi tried a terrible long-bomb pass that got deflected in the neutral zone and picked up at the Oilers blueline. That started the mess in the neutral zone.

 

[unicornpig]

Disagree

Trievling just insured the flames to be garbage for the next half decade

 

[funky]

That wasn't durzi fault either, but he'll still get blamed.

Wait a minute, during the draft I thought we discovered that Kaliyev was old enough to be Durzi’s dad? Therefore, maybe it is his fault all along.

 

[dman3474]

I mean if you want to look at it like that then Kaliyev’s dad spooging in his mom started it all.

Or do we need to go back to the Big Bang?

are they not the same thing?

 

[Bandit]

are they not the same thing?

I dunno. Never seen Kaliyev’s parents naked.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Roy is 28yo and 1 year away from UFA status in less than 90 days. He makes $3.5M on the cap, second to Doughty at $11M for D.

Gavrikov is similar and rumored to look for a long term deal starting around $5M for cap hit. Rob Blake is currently the biggest sucker with the most skin in the game to make that happen. I doubt he slides a Roy contract in on July 1 which kicks in a year later and locks him up at a home town discount. He’s going to be busy making sure he didn’t waste a first round pick.

So Roy is a trade chip if you’re a smart GM. If you’re Blake, you’re going to have plenty of room to overpay for Doughty, Gavrikov and Roy as your D core because none of the supposed blue chippers you’ve drafted have hit enough to command legit money.

Yep. And this isn’t even considering Moore, the worst of the Arvidsson/Iafallo/Moore redundancy, who now has the most untradeable contract of the three. Who knows what kind of cap casualties that causes down along the road.

It’s a shit sandwich all the way down. Rob Blake has not been a good general manager.

 

[kingsfan28]

Durzi did do a turnover, though. The Kings were incredibly lackadaisical bringing the puck up the ice and regrouped multiple times. Durzi tried a terrible long-bomb pass that got deflected in the neutral zone and picked up at the Oilers blueline. That started the mess in the neutral zone.

I think your definition of the long bomb pass need adjusting. His job is to get it out of the zone which he did, right on kaliyevs stick who was about 3 or 4 feet inside the redline, who tried to tip it to grundy at the far blue line, thats where the 1st turnover happened. Watch it again, Kaliyev does some kind of shovel pass after he controls of the puck. Once that puck is on another guys stick, it's no longer durzi's responsibility.

Wait a minute, during the draft I thought we discovered that Kaliyev was old enough to be Durzi’s dad? Therefore, maybe it is his fault all along.

I'm sure if you look hard enough, you'll find a relative of Durzi started Nickleback.

 

[chris kontos]

Dude you totally contradict yourself.

how is the inability to get the puck in deep durzi's fault? First, Kaliyev has the puck, turns it over the 1st time, Kupari gets the puck back, then goes cross ice to Kaliyev who turns it over again this time along the boards. Durzi's defending, tries to block the shot, he just misses it, goes under his leg, then 5 hole. Durzi doesn't have to try and block the shot , or get in the lane if the other two forwards do their jobs. Get the puck in deep and not dick around in the nuetral zone. I wonder if it was doughty or andersen who tried to block the shot and it goes in you'd lay equal blame on one of them. I;m guessing not.

So we're going to defensively protect durzi?
BULLSHIT.
Keep guessing. You'll get right eventually.
Oh yeah, its cool. You think kaliyev is a liability. I get it. I really do. I know and understsnd defensive hockey and realize that breakdowns are usually a combination of errors.
Kaliyev is the DEVIL the DEVIL I SAY

 

[kingsfan28]

So we're going to defensively protect durzi?
BULLSHIT.
Keep guessing. You'll get right eventually.
Oh yeah, its cool. You think kaliyev is a liability. I get it. I really do. I know and understsnd defensive hockey and realize that breakdowns are usually a combination of errors.

Yes i do.! Durzi's,he's the playoff whipping boy, most justified i will agree, in this case he is not. Durzi did not cause the turnover along the boards, it's the forwards job to get the puck in deep, which they did not. if you can't understand that, I don't know what else to say.