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OK and a lot of players to either resign or replace. Of course they could just play all their prospets from the Reign all at once. The signing of Danualt prevents the Kings from filling there greatest needs this year and in the future.
Archijerej
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Congratulations guys! You're gonna love him.
Ziggy Stardust
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The only ones of importance to re-sign next summer will be Mikey Anderson, Petersen, Kempe, Vilardi, and Anderson-Dolan. Not expecting those guys to break the bank, and the likes of Brendan Lemieux and Blake Lizotte are dispensable.
The Kings are going to have plenty of wiggle room to make a big addition next summer. Reserve your Filip Forsberg Kings jersey now!
kilowatt
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Not that many.
Brown (UFA)
Athanasiou (UFA)
Kempe (RFA)
Lemieux (RFA)
Vilardi (RFA)
Lizotte (RFA)
Anderson-Dolan (RFA)
Grundstrom (RFA)
Edler (UFA)
Maatta (UFA)
Anderson (RFA)
Wolanin (UFA)
Petersen (UFA)
Carter's $2.6 million retention drops off, Brown retires, walks, or takes a pay cut, Kempe, Vilardi, Anderson, and Petersen get minor raises. The rest re-sign for essentially what they're already making or leave the team. We have a question or two on defense and will have plenty of room to address it.
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I’ve taken my time in offering a view on this as I really didn’t expect to acquire a Center. However, I think I’m ok with it because I can see a good rationale for it.
Danault is a fine 2/3 C and if we use him right could/should be in the discussion for the Selke. He will reduce Kopi’s PK time and help significantly with matchups and his style of hockey tends to age well. He also helps with the roster age distribution and if Kopi were to retire/walk/get traded at the end of his deal it doesn’t suddenly give us a huge defensive hole at C. I like the character and leadership as I’ve previously said that it needs more than 4 guys to set a team culture.
Byfield is still the future at C but I do think it means that neither Vilardi or Turcotte are expected to play there, certainly not in the mid-term for the Kings. Both will be on the wing and one will be used to get the LHD we need. I don’t like it but I expect Turcotte become the most likely trade chip due to Vilardi’s back history. Who starts the year a C will be interesting though.
4C is almost as fascinating at you have to feel the job belongs to JAD, but he can play wing also. So long term you have think it’s between him and Thomas there. I like Kupari but he ultimately likely goes in the package for the LHD also IMO as I don’t see where he fits after this season. Lizotte and Wagner will be lucky to get any sort of look this year as they are about to get swallowed up by the organisational depth we have.
So, I think the signing is good although I get the concerns with the term/AAV but it’s what signing free agents means, in fact it wouldn’t have surprised me had he got more on both fronts. You can see the rational and how Danault will fit in as well as what the long term thinking is going to be with Center Ice. The contract is fine because by year 5 and 6 the cap will have moved and it won’t look too bad. By that point he’d be movable if needed, even if a small amount of retention is needed.
Without a doubt we should be knocking loudly on the door in the play-offs and if one of the young guys can cement themselves and breakout, it’s almost a certainty. Blake definitely improved the team yesterday and definitely gave himself a good headache in keeping all those prospects happy.
Danault is a fine 2/3 C and if we use him right could/should be in the discussion for the Selke. He will reduce Kopi’s PK time and help significantly with matchups and his style of hockey tends to age well. He also helps with the roster age distribution and if Kopi were to retire/walk/get traded at the end of his deal it doesn’t suddenly give us a huge defensive hole at C. I like the character and leadership as I’ve previously said that it needs more than 4 guys to set a team culture.
Byfield is still the future at C but I do think it means that neither Vilardi or Turcotte are expected to play there, certainly not in the mid-term for the Kings. Both will be on the wing and one will be used to get the LHD we need. I don’t like it but I expect Turcotte become the most likely trade chip due to Vilardi’s back history. Who starts the year a C will be interesting though.
4C is almost as fascinating at you have to feel the job belongs to JAD, but he can play wing also. So long term you have think it’s between him and Thomas there. I like Kupari but he ultimately likely goes in the package for the LHD also IMO as I don’t see where he fits after this season. Lizotte and Wagner will be lucky to get any sort of look this year as they are about to get swallowed up by the organisational depth we have.
So, I think the signing is good although I get the concerns with the term/AAV but it’s what signing free agents means, in fact it wouldn’t have surprised me had he got more on both fronts. You can see the rational and how Danault will fit in as well as what the long term thinking is going to be with Center Ice. The contract is fine because by year 5 and 6 the cap will have moved and it won’t look too bad. By that point he’d be movable if needed, even if a small amount of retention is needed.
Without a doubt we should be knocking loudly on the door in the play-offs and if one of the young guys can cement themselves and breakout, it’s almost a certainty. Blake definitely improved the team yesterday and definitely gave himself a good headache in keeping all those prospects happy.
29 million for 11 or 12 roster spots is not that much. I am hoping players like Kempe , Anderson and Vilardi are deserving of more than minimal raises because if they are not it might be time to cut them loose. I also worry they decide to sign Brown again.
Little Psycho
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Archijerej
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In case you guys need a scouting report, here is my take on Danault:
Very strong, fluid skater. Tireless worker. Can log big minutes if you need him to. Very effective along the boards. He's got this elastic body that allows him to get away from scrambles in possession of the puck more often than not.
Excellent positionaly. Very good on the draw. Excellent penalty killer. Combine that with his high work rate and you have arguably the best defensive forward in the game today.
Offensively, he's not a goalscorer. He just isn't and he won't cheat to get goals. I don't think it will change with better linemates. Believe it or not, Tatar-Danault-Gallagher was one of the best lines in the NHL. He'll get his 10-15 goals from net front scrambles, deflections and an occasional well placed snapper from close range.
His value as an offensive player comes from his fundamentals and work rate. He'll support the puck all over the ice and help to move it forward, either by carrying out/in by himself, or by offering options for passing combinations and being able to make a good pass himself.
Once the puck is in the offensive zone, he will help to keep it there, either by strong forecheck, or a good cycle game. He's an underrated playmaker as well.
His production will dip in the playoffs, as every coach worth his salt is going to use him in suicidal minutes. He'll come out on top of those deployments anyway, with a positive goal differential. Meanwhile, your other lines can concentrate on outscoring their easier matchups.
Very strong, fluid skater. Tireless worker. Can log big minutes if you need him to. Very effective along the boards. He's got this elastic body that allows him to get away from scrambles in possession of the puck more often than not.
Excellent positionaly. Very good on the draw. Excellent penalty killer. Combine that with his high work rate and you have arguably the best defensive forward in the game today.
Offensively, he's not a goalscorer. He just isn't and he won't cheat to get goals. I don't think it will change with better linemates. Believe it or not, Tatar-Danault-Gallagher was one of the best lines in the NHL. He'll get his 10-15 goals from net front scrambles, deflections and an occasional well placed snapper from close range.
His value as an offensive player comes from his fundamentals and work rate. He'll support the puck all over the ice and help to move it forward, either by carrying out/in by himself, or by offering options for passing combinations and being able to make a good pass himself.
Once the puck is in the offensive zone, he will help to keep it there, either by strong forecheck, or a good cycle game. He's an underrated playmaker as well.
His production will dip in the playoffs, as every coach worth his salt is going to use him in suicidal minutes. He'll come out on top of those deployments anyway, with a positive goal differential. Meanwhile, your other lines can concentrate on outscoring their easier matchups.
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Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
29 million is actually fine for that amount of players given where guys are in the system. The likelihood of a few more ELC guys coming in is high (Byfield, Turcotte, Kaliyev) by next season. Then you have 27+ million for 9 roster spots, which gives flexibility. Brown is a wild card, but I can't see them spending too much on a 37 year old.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I want to sticky this so it's at the top of every page of this thread but the people that need to read it most will still willfully ignore it
caufieldbeerman
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The guy is a beast defensively but don't be surprised if he has 1 goal and 2 assists after 25 games
Surprising signing I think. Especially length of contract. Anyone think means Kings going to trade a prospect or two from their center depth? And if so, who most likely? With Kopitar for however many more years, and assuming Byefield takes over for him, can they really keep both Vilardi and Turcotte long term? Let alone JAD, Kupari, Pinelli, Madden, Lizotte and Akil Thomas.
And even if a couple of these guys switch over to wing, that still leaves competition with Kaliyev and Fagemo.
There's no rush though. They can take their time with this. But curious what fans think. And what kind of return would be asking? What position to improve? My guess about the latter question is defense. Doughty still has some years left, Clarke's a great edition but not a ton beyond them and Bjornfot, Clague and a few others.
And even if a couple of these guys switch over to wing, that still leaves competition with Kaliyev and Fagemo.
There's no rush though. They can take their time with this. But curious what fans think. And what kind of return would be asking? What position to improve? My guess about the latter question is defense. Doughty still has some years left, Clarke's a great edition but not a ton beyond them and Bjornfot, Clague and a few others.
Only build is on the offensive stuff I see floated around in here. I wouldn’t expect much more then 45/50 pts, his whole career with us he’s gotten our best wingers and the bulk of the 5x5 ice time (Gallagher pacioretty then Gallagher Tatar at 5x5) only in the late part of the year did they start to break it up a little bit.
his shot isn’t good enough to beat regular nhl goalies and he scores his goals in the crease off rebounds.
common perception amongst media in mtl is that when danault was the 3rd line C your team was ready to compete but danault views himself as a 2 hence the breakup.
on defensive side he turns opposing offenses to ash so you’ll love that and I’ll miss dangle freaking out about it lol. For me tough to see danault go but we need to ride or die with KK and Suzuki now and if it goes poorly Shane Wright lol
his shot isn’t good enough to beat regular nhl goalies and he scores his goals in the crease off rebounds.
common perception amongst media in mtl is that when danault was the 3rd line C your team was ready to compete but danault views himself as a 2 hence the breakup.
on defensive side he turns opposing offenses to ash so you’ll love that and I’ll miss dangle freaking out about it lol. For me tough to see danault go but we need to ride or die with KK and Suzuki now and if it goes poorly Shane Wright lol
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Not a good few days for Quinton Byfield, with this and the AHL announcement. Maybe good for the long run.
Every other Kings center prospect, of which there are many, just got bumped down a rung.
Every other Kings center prospect, of which there are many, just got bumped down a rung.
BringTheReign
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BringTheReign
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If any of Byfield, Turcotte, or Vilardi leave it’ll be for a comparable young LHD defenseman. It’d have to be either for a comparable prospect (like Byram or one of the top 4 D from this past draft) or as part of package for an established U25 player like Werenski. The fact that Edler was signed to only a 1 year deal is inline with what we’ve been hearing from insiders which is that they will actively target this player in the next 12-18 months.
It’s also likely that 1-2 of those players will become wingers (my money is on Vilardi or Turcotte).
As for defense, our pool has great depth (Faber, Bjornfot, Anderson, Spence, etc.) and Clarke is the crown jewel. I think we’d all obviously still prefer to grab another player of his pedigree, but we’ll see.
KINGS17
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Thank God Danault can produce with a second line grinder and a reclamation project. The Kings have a lot of those ingredients to put on a line with him.
With Petersen (UFA) status next year I think trading for elite goalie prospect ASAP should be number one priority for our team now.
SFKingshomer
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Not sure why anyone is bringing up Danault’s offensive production. That isn’t why he was brought in. Anyone who knows the game would understand the reasoning and it’s been brought up several times.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I feel like the prospect cupboard is so full, if we get a top ten pick next again next year, Blake will trade all rounds’ picks just to move that first rounder up a few slots because we only have like one contract slot or something.
Mats26
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Possibly true but not guaranteed. The whole ideal that this deal would extend Kopitar's career is nonsense. Can we get over this , he will be 37 in 3 years when his contract is up. Priorities on this team should be to make sure they don't rush any prospects like they did with Vilardi and make sure Byfield is ready in 3 years to take over the 1C spot. If Kopi wants to stay on, he'll have to take a major salary cut and be reduced to a smaller role but now with Danault on board there is no reason to have that happen.
I mentioned several times during the year that Vilardi was the one prospect we should be keeping our eye on. 2C is a huge responsibility for any player in the league let alone a young prospect. So while I think a shorter term deal would of been ideal I am ok with a vet 2C but ultimately we'll have an expensive 3C on our hands. If Vilardi took that 2C spot and ran with it, this signing does not happen.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Uhh…because 2C offensive production has been a huge issue for the Kings for years? Danault has averaged about 42 points per 82 games over his career. How many posters on this board have noted the offensive drop when a player comes to the Kings or the production increase when a player leaves the Kings? Do you think the Kings are going to make the playoffs with Danault at 2C if he puts up 35 points this season?
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