Well, Arty is no wizard but he's 10x less of a defensive shitshow than Fiala is, and does half the stupid shit Laf does sometimes. Should be an improvement, although I use that term loosely.
LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion
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FrozenKing18
Where is my super suit?
Good to see some scoring from the bottom 6 when the the top 6 ain’t in the groove of things.
Bandit
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If nobody’s great, everyone has to be good - Anze Kopitar, probably.
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SettlementRichie10
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Hot take shake up.
PLD-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-Byfield-Moore
Grundstrom-Danault-Kaliyev
Laferriere-Lizotte-Lewis
Byfield is strong enough to create offense on any line. Let’s see if he can do that from the center position. If so, he’s the perfect set up man for a puck dominant player like Fiala.
Reward Grundstrom for his statline by moving him up with Danault.
PLD and Kopitar can cycle for eternity. I think they’d be great together and PLD can settle into an easier role.
Otherwise I think it may be time to go back to the “Fiala-Lizotte beats up on bottom six” gameplan. And then build a second line around PLD and Moore.
PLD-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-Byfield-Moore
Grundstrom-Danault-Kaliyev
Laferriere-Lizotte-Lewis
Byfield is strong enough to create offense on any line. Let’s see if he can do that from the center position. If so, he’s the perfect set up man for a puck dominant player like Fiala.
Reward Grundstrom for his statline by moving him up with Danault.
PLD and Kopitar can cycle for eternity. I think they’d be great together and PLD can settle into an easier role.
Otherwise I think it may be time to go back to the “Fiala-Lizotte beats up on bottom six” gameplan. And then build a second line around PLD and Moore.
All The Kings Men
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Or second round picks only hit at a rate of about 34% and it happens all the time...
funky
Build around Byfield, not the vets
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Man. Hindsight being 20/20 and we knew what Spence would develop into would it not have been nice to have drafted Wallstedt in 21.
I love Clarke but for organization need Wallstedt would be nails right now.
Minny by the way landed both Wallstedt and Lambos in the first round that year. With the trade for Faber they have some nice defensive pieces to build out from the backend with.
I love Clarke but for organization need Wallstedt would be nails right now.
Minny by the way landed both Wallstedt and Lambos in the first round that year. With the trade for Faber they have some nice defensive pieces to build out from the backend with.
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Chazz Reinhold
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Not sure there’s anything to read into that. They’ve been doing that all season so far: Transactions - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
I have a feeling they will keep him down and recall Fagemo. Laffy was bad last night.
Alex Turcotte, would you pick up the white courtesy phone please.
Nearly PPG, with an NHL ready game, playing well. Let’s give him a shot before another AHL plug concusses him all the way to the Swiss league.
Nearly PPG, with an NHL ready game, playing well. Let’s give him a shot before another AHL plug concusses him all the way to the Swiss league.
DAkings20
Kings can't score
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Happens all the time? Poor asset mgmt?
Here we go, over a decade of 2nd round Kings picks.
I'd say 'exempt' from the study so far--Dvorak, Hughes, Pinelli. Fair?
Grans: looking like a miss, but traded, so maybe good move there.
Faber: definite hit, but traded. Debatable move.
Kaliyev: Love it. Hit.
Fagemo: the player in question--never gets a big club shot and gets waived. Bad mgmt.
Thomas: Injuries held him down, but had a good preseason, and no shot with big club.
JAD: no real shot with big club.
Clague: miss
Cernak: hit, but traded for Bishop LOL
McKeown: miss
Lintuniemi: miss
Zykov: miss
Chris Gibson: lol
From 2010 till now: 14 2nd round picks, minus the three most recent = 11.
-ONLY ONE is an NHLer with the Kings.
-2 are Nhlers elsewhere with no Kings development or even a shot.
That's less than 30%, and only one of which is an active contributor to the Kings.
-8 either missed altogether, or we can't tell if they're misses because the Kings insist on holding them down until they run into waiver eligibility and lose them for nothing instead of recouping any assets at all. And it's not much of a retort that 'it happens all the time because 34% is average' if the above DON'T become NHLers because then the Kings are batting less than 10% on drafting and developing their own in the 2nd round so you're kind of eating your own argument up and it becomes an indictment of BOTH rather than either/or.
So again--it's either an indictment of their drafting OR poor development and asset management.
Edit: and to bring it back to the OG complaint this isn't just 'whining about a guy getting waived,' this is a systematic issue of watching guys just die on the vine, and the above is just the 2nd round, so people can handwave it off if they want until we brickwall in salary hell with no cost controlled options in the minors because we were busy melting them down into nothing with no return on investment while being a first round exit team.
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From 2010 on? You missed Toffoli, but that's neither here nor there, that's 10 years worth of picks, so 30 picks 10 years, 300 picks, so at a 34% rate, you would expect about 102 NHL players....what would that criteria be, 100 NHL games, that's about a season and a quarter, I would say 200 NHL games for the first 5 years, 100 games for the 2nd 5 years, given development etc, and I haven't looked first, so may prove everything wrong, and chime in with what you think makes an NHLer an NHLer
2010 - 13 players
2011 - 15 players
2012 - 9 players
2013 - 9 players
2014 - 8 players - counted Demko at 178 for a G
2015 - 18 players
2016 - 17 players
2017 - 9 players
2018 - 5 players
2019 - 3 players
2020 - 0 players
So maybe 100 games for the last 5 was a bit harsh? But I'm not sure I can count a guy with 3 games since 2020 as an NHLer....
So that's a total of 106 players.....so 34.1% or 34.2% etc that's the law of averages....so yea, 34% is pretty standard, and Fagemo could very well be the 66% that just don't have it.....it's useless to get pissed when 2/3 of the time, players won't make it....
EDIT: To bring it back to your Kings list, at 34%, that means 3.75 players should have hit, from 2010 on, looks like they are there, or very close to it, Toffoli, Cernak, Kaliyev, then you got JAD at 97...and Clague at 91....and you want to count Faber, so that's 4 definite hits, since your timeline, which is right in line with league average,
I’m at the Reign game. JAD has a goal and Fagemo is playing.
Thomas, Helenius, Fagemo - all 2nd round picks playing. Pinell is a scratch.
Thomas, Helenius, Fagemo - all 2nd round picks playing. Pinell is a scratch.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I still don’t see the reasoning for putting a non-finisher like Turcotte on a line with our best distributor in Fiala, especially with PLD looking sluggish and never really being a big time finisher himself at the NHL level. It’s also another line with no balance when it comes to lefty-righty.
The reasoning is, that line has been a tragedy of “one and done” for the majority of the season, completely void of any effective play along the boards, and little sustained pressure.
A high energy puck hound with some skill, who funnels play to the high danger areas of the ice would do wonders for players like Fiala and Dubois. Turcotte doesn’t need the puck on his stick to be effective, which marries well with those two.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
But it's hard to mess with any of the other lines, and Laferriere is clearly hitting a rookie wall.
Fiala is a 33 goal scorer and regular 20 goal guy
PLD is a 28 goal scorer and regular 20 goal guy
Having a puckhound/facilitator like Turcotte is a good 'fit' even if you raise some other good points (especially Fiala's being a facilitator, and lefty city) but there's really no other way to not disturb the other lines that have good things going. He's got the same motor Laf does at worst in addition to some higher-end vision.
we know Fiala can't play with ANYONE and that the AA/turcotte experiment was as ugly as we thought but I just don't see how you go back at it with anyone else unless you want to try JAD/Fagemo and/or maybe cycle Grundstrom around to get him some more PT off the 4th line.
PLUS it's far beyond time to get Turcotte some games so we don't run into the usual "we can't play the kids they're not experienced enough" catch 22.
Wasn't a huge fan of the lines shakeup Saturday night and it seems it wasn't particularly effective.
Laf - Dubois - Kaliyev could be an amazing line for us 1-2 years from now but at this point it becomes the easy target for other teams to match up against even moreso than Fiala - Dubois - Laf. The shakeup basically just created a less balanced forward group IMO.
I love Laferriere and think he's going to be an amazing player for us but it might be time to give him a break from the NHL schedule and get him in a handful of AHL games. I say we go back to the previous lineup and just insert Fagemo into Laferriere's spot and see how that looks. I'd support the Turcotte option too tbh.
Fiala - Dubois - Fagemo
or
Turcotte - Dubois - Fiala
One thing with Fagemo being a right shot and having a great shot is you can potentially try to give him some looks on the powerplay too... Although I'm not sure which forward comes off the PP to give him a chance. Maybe Danault?
Another interesting idea could be:
Turcotte - Dubois - Kaliyev
Fiala - Danault - Moore
Turcotte and Kaliyev have had chemistry/success together in the past.
Ultimately though, this team really needs to figure out how to play at home. It's night and day - Amazing on the road, terrible at home. Not fun.
Laf - Dubois - Kaliyev could be an amazing line for us 1-2 years from now but at this point it becomes the easy target for other teams to match up against even moreso than Fiala - Dubois - Laf. The shakeup basically just created a less balanced forward group IMO.
I love Laferriere and think he's going to be an amazing player for us but it might be time to give him a break from the NHL schedule and get him in a handful of AHL games. I say we go back to the previous lineup and just insert Fagemo into Laferriere's spot and see how that looks. I'd support the Turcotte option too tbh.
Fiala - Dubois - Fagemo
or
Turcotte - Dubois - Fiala
One thing with Fagemo being a right shot and having a great shot is you can potentially try to give him some looks on the powerplay too... Although I'm not sure which forward comes off the PP to give him a chance. Maybe Danault?
Another interesting idea could be:
Turcotte - Dubois - Kaliyev
Fiala - Danault - Moore
Turcotte and Kaliyev have had chemistry/success together in the past.
Ultimately though, this team really needs to figure out how to play at home. It's night and day - Amazing on the road, terrible at home. Not fun.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Markstrom ($2m retained) for Turcotte, Roy, Copley, Conditional First (if LA makes it out of first round and Markstom starts 50% of playoff games)
Who says no?
Who says no?
LA does......that's an overpayment we don't need to make right now
bland
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Anybody associated with the Kings?
Why would LA give up any of that, other than Copley, for an almost 34 year old that slots in as Talbot's back up? If the Kings give up all that, the goalie better be under 30 and taking over as the starter.
