LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

[chris kontos]

regular season apathy
playoff participation award
profit

spence, kaliyev, bjornfot, and many others too numerous to mention
sacrebleu!

 

[Lt Dan]

Why do you think Blake would trade Roy and/or Arvidsson for anything less than an upgrade? If he's GMing for his job right now, he knows he has to get through the first round of the playoffs. He's going to be a buyer or stand pat, not a seller at the deadline unless the Kings go on another losing streak.

 

[kings11]

Why do you think Blake would trade Roy and/or Arvidsson for anything less than an upgrade? If he's GMing for his job right now, he knows he has to get through the first round of the playoffs. He's going to be a buyer or stand pat, not a seller at the deadline unless the Kings go on another losing streak.

The more I think about your comment, the more I’m convinced that he’s out short of a cup.. Some speculated that maybe he was told to win with what he currently has but realistically this team isn’t winning a cup and at best makes it to the second round. Does trading Roy and Arvy and replacing them with Clarke and Turcotte really downgrade this team that much? The return on those two could net us a solid G.. I still think we need a big center for the 4th line.. 4-1 looks good on paper but heart aside they’ve looked shaky .. the chemistry of this team just seems off and it’s been that way when for the entire season win streak aside. They just aren’t jellying

 

[BigKing]

Roy and/or Arvidsson trades would most likely not make the team better now and you wouldn't be able to take on replacement salary if it went in to next season.

If this road trip looked like Buffalo the whole time, it might have been decided but there is a very good chance they are on a five game winning streak heading into Saturday night against Anaheim.

There is nothing in it for Blake unless moving those guys makes the team better right now: next season doesn't exist for him unless they make the playoffs and then it is still up in the air.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

would the Sharks do a Kunin for Kaliyev straight up?

 

[johnjm22]

That's minimum 10gp. And that included the Buffalo game.

Rittich has been damn good.

I thought Stolarz would've made a lot of sense for us in the offseason. More so than re-signing Copley.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Like where your heads at, but Rasmussen is a bit of a big punching bag. More snarl is needed. Kaliyev is huge, but not enough snarl too.

This isn't the same type of team, but the league is different too. The big opponents in the division are Oilers & Canucks. They both rely on small skilled players. King's have a roster with quite a bit of size & nasty. If they actually turn it on, the King's can beat the snot out of those teams & maybe win. Vegas is a different story, but King's might not end up playing them.

Is it going to be easy? Nope. Do the King's have a chance to cause some trouble in the Pacific? Yup. How was everyone feeling at the start of the Vancouver series in '12? Flash backs of the '97-98 playoffs?

People who actually paid attention to the Kings’ underlying statistics in 2012 post-Carter trade saw how dangerous they were. From March to May, they were the second highest scoring team in the league, while maintaining their league best goals against. They were also the best score adjusted fenwick team in the league.

This current team is nothing like that. What does this team do well? What metrics do they lead the league in? None whatsoever.

Comparing this team to 2012 is a slap in the face to the 2012 team. The 2012 team was a young team right on the cusp of contention, and bringing in Sutter and Carter pushed them over the edge.

I understand the copium. We all wish this team were a contender, Blake and Luc most of all. But they’re just not.

 

[funky]

No we can't expect improvement from 8 and 11, and that's fine, I want my improvement to come from Byfield, Laf, Kaliyev, PLD, Turcotte, JAD, Spence, Clarke, Andersson etc,

This version's core? Why does everyone believe this version's core,...is 8 and 11...is that because they are on the team the longest? 8 I can see, he logs the most minutes on a daily basis, 11 does not, why do people think 11 is this version's core...

I actually agree with this. It’s time to start identifying our future core.

Byfield, Kempe and Fiala seem to be our higher end players.

Anderson, and Moore quality long term guys.

Possible future guys would be Clarke and possibly Turcotte health pending.


If Clarke hits it is an above average core. If he doesn’t I would say a slightly below average core.

Right now Kopitar as awesome as he has been is transitioning from core to support as Byfield is transitioning from support to lead the core.

Unfortunately Doughty should be transitioning to support but Clarke is no where close to filling those shoes as much as we want him too.

At days end if that is our car going forward, we will need a strong goaltender to back them

 

[BaileyFan]

Why do you think Blake would trade Roy and/or Arvidsson for anything less than an upgrade? If he's GMing for his job right now, he knows he has to get through the first round of the playoffs. He's going to be a buyer or stand pat, not a seller at the deadline unless the Kings go on another losing streak.

He won’t. That’s the point. It’s why AEG should’ve cleaned house instead of keeping him in the GM chair with a gun to his head.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I actually agree with this. It’s time to start identifying our future core.

Byfield, Kempe and Fiala seem to be our higher end players.

Anderson, and Moore quality long term guys.

Possible future guys would be Clarke and possibly Turcotte health pending.


If Clarke hits it is an above average core. If he doesn’t I would say a slightly below average core.

Right now Kopitar as awesome as he has been is transitioning from core to support as Byfield is transitioning from support to lead the core.

Unfortunately Doughty should be transitioning to support but Clarke is no where close to filling those shoes as much as we want him too.

At days end if that is our car going forward, we will need a strong goaltender to back them

Gonna need a strong goaltender regardless, just in this day and age, and speaking as a former goaltender, there's a ton of uncertainty around the position, look at the years Shesterkin, Oettinger and Vasiyevsky have been having etc,

He won’t. That’s the point. It’s why AEG should’ve cleaned house instead of keeping him in the GM chair with a gun to his head.

WHY WOULD HE...I mean...does LA have no hope of making the playoffs right now? Imagine that message you are sending to the team, hey guys, great 25 games, shitty 25 games, you battled back...but we are gonna say f*** it because we can get a player who maybe able to help us maybe in5 years.....and what you guys do now, doesn't mean shit.....

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

He won’t. That’s the point. It’s why AEG should’ve cleaned house instead of keeping him in the GM chair with a gun to his head.

But if it's not an option, how is it even a point? You guys consistently drone on and on about options that aren't even close to reality. This is not a video game.

 

[johnjm22]

I don't see much available on the goalie market. I see two types:

1) Guys-who-might-find-their-game-after-a-change-of-scenery types.

or

2) Random-guy-who-might-get-hot-and-turn-into-Adin-Hill types.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I don't see much available on the goalie market. I see two types:

1) Guys-who-might-find-their-game-after-a-change-of-scenery types.

or

2) Random-guy-who-might-get-hot-and-turn-into-Adin-Hill types.

Pretty much this....still think they need to kick tires though....if you can get a change of scenery types for a $5 off coupon and a sandwich, it's worth it.

 

[chris kontos]

Nous n'allons nulle part

 

[AbsentMojo]

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Unfortunately Doughty should be transitioning to support but Clarke is no where close to filling those shoes as much as we want him too.

Clarke is totally different type of player and I dont think we need him to fill those shoes exactly just make a big contribution given his skills. I think we overvalue what Doughty brings to the table now anyway as witnessed by the teams performance in 21-22 without him - running with Durzi, Spence and Bjornfot. Having Durzi running PP1 showed what creative play making can do at the PP QB position.

 

[unicornpig]

People who actually paid attention to the Kings’ underlying statistics in 2012 post-Carter trade saw how dangerous they were. From March to May, they were the second highest scoring team in the league, while maintaining their league best goals against. They were also the best score adjusted fenwick team in the league.

This current team is nothing like that. What does this team do well? What metrics do they lead the league in? None whatsoever.

Comparing this team to 2012 is a slap in the face to the 2012 team. The 2012 team was a young team right on the cusp of contention, and bringing in Sutter and Carter pushed them over the edge.

I understand the copium. We all wish this team were a contender, Blake and Luc most of all. But they’re just not.

Prior to the Murray firing they were the worst team offensively, kings this year were leading all metrics first 25 games. Let's see what hiller does with this team before we tear everything done. Some of you are so inpatient, we would have traded by field for scraps if it were up to some of you

 

[Herby]

Prior to the Murray firing they were the worst team offensively, kings this year were leading all metrics first 25 games. Let's see what hiller does with this team before we tear everything done. Some of you are so inpatient, we would have traded by field for scraps if it were up to some of you

Who?

All of the people taking the opposite side to you wanted to do a full rebuild like almost all the previous cup winners did, that means trading older players for younger ones and going with youth.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

All of the people taking the opposite side to you wanted to do a full rebuild like almost all the previous cup winners did, that means trading older players for younger ones and going with youth.

Hasn't GBH put you in your place on this topic several times?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

This isn't the same type of team (2012) but the league is different too. The big opponents in the division are Oilers & Canucks. They both rely on small skilled players. King's have a roster with quite a bit of size & nasty.

Johnny Utah does not like this.

 

[unicornpig]

Who?

All of the people taking the opposite side to you wanted to do a full rebuild like almost all the previous cup winners did, that means trading older players for younger ones and going with youth.

who what? half this board proclaimed byfield a bust, which lends back to what i said that ppl here are inpatient. if the team sucks they can trade arvidsson/roy. if they continue to play well, dare i quote blake but anything can happen this year. there are no elite teams this year.

 

[Herby]

Hasn't GBH put you in your place on this topic several times?

LOL, he has? Of course you fall for BS, but here I'll post the facts again, feel free to put me in my place Axl, point out anything below that is factually incorrect.

2009, 2016, 2017 - Pittsburgh #1 in 2003, #2 in 2004, #1 in 2005, #3 in 2006 (3 Hall of Famers, 1 very good secondary)

2010, 2013, 2015 - Chicago #3 2004, #3 in 2006, #1 in 2007 (2 Hall of Famers, 1 Bust)

2012, 2014 LA - #11 in 2005, #4 in 2007, #2 in 2008, #5 in 2009 - 2 Hall of Famers, 1 very good who brought in a key secondary player, 1 bust

2020, 2021 - Tampa - #1 in 2008, #2 in 2009, #6 in 2010, #10 in 2011, #3 in 2013 - 2 Hall of Famers

2022 Colorado - #2 in 2011, #1 in 2013, #10 in 2015, #4 in 2017 - 2 Hall of Famers, 2 more all-stars

You want to actually have a hockey discussion or you going to be your typical embarrassing self.

You think that bottoming out and drafting Hall of Fame players at the top of the draft is not the most successful way to build a winner?

What teams have been constructed like the current Kings have had sustained SC winning success? GHB never answers, but maybe you can.

 

[Johnny Utah]

On the DFO Rundown they killed Blake and the Kings saying that Fiala for Faber is a rip off in itself, not including the 1st. OUCH.

 

[Herby]

On the DFO Rundown they killed Blake and the Kings saying that Fiala for Faber is a rip off in itself, not including the 1st. OUCH.

In defense of Blake, most people expected that in the narrow 3 year window the Kings had to compete that he would be better than Faber. Nobody saw Faber being this good, even those of us who were pumping his tires from the moment he started playing in college. He has been a Top 10 d-man in the league this year, again nobody saw this coming.

On the flip side, that is the risk you take when you trade high-end prospects and 1st round picks, especially when you are not a contender. Every once in awhile somebody surprises you, more often than not it's the pick and not the prospect, and it's easier to brush it off (no guarantee we make the same pick) but when its a guy you drafted and then traded it certainly looks way worse.

At the end of the day, it's just tough to see best player the Kings have drafted in over a decade be playing at this kind of level. The Kings could have seamlessly transitioned from Doughty to Faber, much in the same way the Packers have been able to with quarterbacks. And then you throw in Clarke too, just two guys who have such diverse strengths, one of the most talented offensive d-man to play in the OHL in recent memory and probably the best defensive stopper I've ever seen at the NCAA level. Imagine those two playing a combined 50 minutes a night for you.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

At the end of the day, it's just tough to see best player the Kings have drafted in over a decade be playing at this kind of level. The Kings could have seamlessly transitioned from Doughty to Faber, much in the same way the Packers have been able to with quarterbacks. And then you throw in Clarke too, just two guys who have such diverse strengths, one of the most talented offensive d-man to play in the OHL in recent memory and probably the best defensive stopper I've ever seen at the NCAA level. Imagine those two playing a combined 50 minutes a night for you.

Do you keep omitting Byfield in these conversations because you labeled him as a bust?

 

[Herby]

Do you keep omitting Byfield in these conversations because you labeled him as a bust?

Faber has been a Top 10 defenseman in the NHL this season. You think it's incorrect to say he's been the best player the Kings have drafted since Doughty?

Also, still waiting for you to collect those 2 free Kings tickets. But since you're so full of it we know that won't happen. Keep listening to those voices in your head, they are steering you right.

Oh and it's cute how you conveniently ignore the other post, you know the "Put in your place" stuff.

How have the most successful NHL teams in the last 2 decades been constructed Axl? You want to answer that? Probably not.