LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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Oilers are a one player team. Target that player & they crumble.

The Oilers haven't made it past the King's healthy enough to go anywhere. Sure we didn't win, but neither did the Oilers.

Get a couple of goons for the playoffs & let's roll.
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That’d honestly secure the W 100 percent. But the Kings are too cowardice to ice McDavid whenever the oilers have no issuing icing the Kings.
 
Two options.
-The King's are going for a cup this year
-The King's are a playoff team, but aren't ready to push for a cup this year.

Trading Roy makes the defense worse this year. There are cheap goalies out there that Blake could take a shot on that doesn't require Roy to be traded.

To go for a Saros, Markstrom, Gibson, Roy needs to move. The price of those goalies also has to come down. They aren't top 5 tenders this year.

Moving Roy,
Van, TO, NYI (bubble) seem like they'd be interested
Oilers are not getting Roy.
Non playoff teams, Ott, Buffalo need RD.
Maybe Car wants a RD. Can't remember.
There is a ton of demand for Roy.

Move Roy, trade those assets for a goalie? Saros is about the only goalie that might be worth it unless something like NYI decides to dump their starter before his new contract starts next year.
If you move Roy, you do it to expand the teams offensive potential while suffering a stout defensive loss. Does the likely increased offensive game offset the loss of Roy’s defense, I say yes..
Matter of fact, Matt Roy is one of the worse Dmen in the NHL at denying O zone entries. When you’re dealing with the Pettersson’s, Eichel’s and McDavid’s of the world, that’s a very bad thing.
If the Kings trade Roy I would be expecting a 2024 1st and a roster player.. with that said, I’d move him to Detroit where he’s likely to resign and ask for their 1st and Rasmussen to help give us size, it also wouldn’t hurt to ask for Augustine as well… I would love Edvisson but that’s likely asking too much but you won’t know if you don’t ask
 
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Trade away Roy, Kalyev, JAD and Grudstrom. Bring back a young tough LHD and two bottom 6 wingers with an edge.

Kempe - Kopitar - Fiala
Moore - Danault - RV
Byfield - PLD - Laff
Martin - Turc/Lewis/Lizo - Greenway

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Grav - Clarke
New guy - Spence

Dave
Talbot

This way we give this team a chance and put ourselves in great shape for NeXT season
 
Yeah, that inevitable first round exit with or without Roy and Arvidsson is worth so much more than adding some quality picks to the withered asset list.
Zzzzzz…..5-1 in last six, GO KINGS!

For the record, I’d take a first round exit team over a draft lottery team any f***ing day of the week.
 
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Zzzzzz…..5-1 in last six, GO KINGS!

For the record, I’d take a first round exit team over a draft lottery team any f***ing day of the week.
I'd agree if the team was was progressing annually with developing players as the 2009,2010 Kings but you have declining assets in 8 and 11 and a blown out cap due to the PLD trade..still with big holes in goal. This looks more and more like many predicted which is the black hole. So sometimes you have to fold em and I agree with the idea of selling as the wisest move. I still would be OK with small moves that dont hurt the future like moving Roy for a goalie and trying to get past the 1st round, but the right thing to do would just be sell.
 
This looks more and more like many predicted which is the black hole.
Those buffoons you refer to as the ‘many’ are the same ones that predicted Vilardi would never play in the NHL, Kempe would regress last season, Byfield and Turcotte would be busts…the list goes on. You need new friends.
 
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I'd agree if the team was was progressing annually with developing players as the 2009,2010 Kings but you have declining assets in 8 and 11 and a blown out cap due to the PLD trade..still with big holes in goal. This looks more and more like many predicted which is the black hole. So sometimes you have to fold em and I agree with the idea of selling as the wisest move. I still would be OK with small moves that dont hurt the future like moving Roy for a goalie and trying to get past the 1st round, but the right thing to do would just be sell.

Developing players....Byfield, Laf, Clarke, hopefully Turcotte/Spence....

Who do you think they AREN'T developing...Kaliyev would be the only answer....
 
Guys like Joe want Spence and Clarke to be a pair - have one player play on his off side.

That would be one of the softest D pairs in the league.

Without Englund, the Kings are number one the softest team in the league.

Blake will make a move for a gritty forward - no way we go into the playoffs with a 4th line of Kayilev/JAD-Lewis-Turcotte.
 
Guys like Joe want Spence and Clarke to be a pair - have one player play on his off side.

That would be one of the softest D pairs in the league.

Without Englund, the Kings are number one the softest team in the league.

Blake will make a move for a gritty forward - no way we go into the playoffs with a 4th line of Kayilev/JAD-Lewis-Turcotte.

Dude...be prepared.....we agree on something.....
 
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Roy is better than both Clarke and Spence RIGHT NOW. You trade Roy to make room for one of them and you're downgrading the D.

I'm not opposed to it, but it probably makes us a worse team unless the goalie you acquire gets red hot.
Without Spence and Clarke in the lineup, the current D corps is very vanilla in its impact on pushing the pace of play.

Doughty (At this point in his career), Anderson, Gavrikov, and Roy all are not exactly known for their ability to move the play up ice with pace.

Swapping Roy out for Clarke/Spence while recovering lost assets before he leaves this summer in UFA would simply be good business all around. No matter how bitter it would taste.

Trading Doughty is the ideal move, but we all know that ain’t ever gonna happen.
 
Without Spence and Clarke in the lineup, the current D corps is very vanilla in its impact on pushing the pace of play.

Doughty (At this point in his career), Anderson, Gavrikov, and Roy all are not exactly known for their ability to move the play up ice with pace.

Swapping Roy out for Clarke/Spence while recovering lost assets before he leaves this summer in UFA would simply be good business all around. No matter how bitter it would taste.

Trading Doughty is the ideal move, but we all know that ain’t ever gonna happen.

Because A. it's not the ideal move, and B. no team in the league would make that kind of trade with that talent, in the position the Kings are in.
 
Hiller moves QB off PP1 based on what logic? I know he wants a righty but he's the last guy Id move. Edit: sorted by pts/60

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Guys like Joe want Spence and Clarke to be a pair - have one player play on his off side.

That would be one of the softest D pairs in the league.

Without Englund, the Kings are number one the softest team in the league.

Blake will make a move for a gritty forward - no way we go into the playoffs with a 4th line of Kayilev/JAD-Lewis-Turcotte.
Having your tough guy on defense is not a good way to go. MacDermid, Englund, these are not good NHL level players that can help you win. If they don't fight they're generally a minus for your team.

That said, it's not easy to find a decent 4th-line forward who can skate a regular shift, as we saw with MacEwen last season.

Give me

Anderson-Doughty
Clarke-Roy
Spence-Gavrikov
Englund
 
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Without Spence and Clarke in the lineup, the current D corps is very vanilla in its impact on pushing the pace of play.

Doughty (At this point in his career), Anderson, Gavrikov, and Roy all are not exactly known for their ability to move the play up ice with pace.

Swapping Roy out for Clarke/Spence while recovering lost assets before he leaves this summer in UFA would simply be good business all around. No matter how bitter it would taste.

Trading Doughty is the ideal move, but we all know that ain’t ever gonna happen.
I don’t know what business classes you are taking, but the NHL is about selling tickets. And when you win games, you sell more tickets.

You think the owners of this team are like ‘eh, we are spending 80+mil on salaries, 5-mil to a coach who we fired, but f*** it, let’s just lose games to draft high!!’

What planet are we taking about here??
 
Developing players....Byfield, Laf, Clarke, hopefully Turcotte/Spence....

Who do you think they AREN'T developing...Kaliyev would be the only answer....
Thats not what Im getting at. My point is that 2010s core were all ascending..8,11,32,26,23 etc, while this versions "core" is much older and noticeably declining. 8 and 11 are considered the top D and F respectively and are falling off. In other words, we cant expect improvement from 8 and 11 next season - the opposite. Without more cap to work with and having to give QB a contract the team cant buy more talent... and seems destined for a decline. Edit: I do think Byfield and Clarke could offset their decline but its even at best.
 
Zzzzzz…. No playoff series wins in 10 years. 5 total playoff games won in the same span.

Whatever is happening here, just ain’t f***in working.
As long as you have a playoff team, SOMETHING is working. Your argument has absolutely zero credence until they are a team that misses the playoffs.

Anything can happen once you are in.
 
Thats not what Im getting at. My point is that 2010s core were all ascending..8,11,32,26,23 etc, while this versions "core" is much older and noticeably declining. 8 and 11 are considered the top D and F respectively and are falling off. In other words, we cant expect improvement from 8 and 11 next season - the opposite. Without more cap to work with and having to give QB a contract the team cant buy more talent... and seems destined for a decline. Edit: I do think Byfield and Clarke could offset their decline but its even at best.
No we can't expect improvement from 8 and 11, and that's fine, I want my improvement to come from Byfield, Laf, Kaliyev, PLD, Turcotte, JAD, Spence, Clarke, Andersson etc,

This version's core? Why does everyone believe this version's core,...is 8 and 11...is that because they are on the team the longest? 8 I can see, he logs the most minutes on a daily basis, 11 does not, why do people think 11 is this version's core...
 
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