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LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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Herby said:
I left it as neutral, despite Stutzle having the much better career as of now at a more valuable position, while you call it a "clear win", but I am the one who can't admit things, ok sure thing pal.

And do you realize how ridiculous your example is, so because a player is on a better team he is the better player or the "big game player"

It's literally exactly the same situation as Bobby Ryan and Kopitar, please tell me how it's different? Ryan was a winger who finished 4th in scoring on a Ducks playoff team and was able to play in the playoffs. Kopitar was the Kings leading scorer and 1C on a bad team and didn't get a chance to play in the playoffs.

So by your ridiculous logic (possibly the most ridiculous I've ever seen used on this board) Bobby Ryan was better than Anze Kopitar in the summer of 2009. Devin Setoguchi who was a secondary player for a good Sharks team was also better than Kopitar after their D+3 years?

The Hawks are going to suck for a few years, will Bedard not be a big-time player, will you take players from better teams over him since they made the playoffs? That seems to be the case you are arguing here.

You could just say you prefer Byfield as a player and that would be fine, no idea why you had to use such a ridiculously flawed logic.
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Man, I’m only seeing one side of this debate, but it looks like GBH is in full state propaganda spin cycle.
 
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johnjm22 said:
2/13 @ Buffalo L
2/15 @ NJ W
2/17 @ Boston W
2/18 @ Pittsburgh W
2/20 Columbus
2/22 Nashville
2/24 Anaheim
2/26 @ Edmonton
2/27 @ Calgary
2/29 @ Vancouver

10 games in 17 days.

No multi day breaks.

Those games against Edm, Cal and Van are gonna be tough.
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The Kings have been such crap at home and so great on the road they will probably go 1-2 at home and 2-1 on the road.

I think we can all agree that Vancouver is winning the division, so just slot them into the Pacific 1.

The battle now becomes for that 2nd spot, it's interesting that Vegas and Edmonton are both stellar at home and meh on the road, and the Kings are the opposite, so I think getting the 2 is a bit more important to those teams.

Preference of potential playoff matchups for the Kings at this point for me would be...

WC @ Winnipeg (I'm just not a believer)
P2 v. Vegas
WC @ Dallas
P3 @ Vegas
WC @ Vancouver
WC @ Colorado
P2 vs. Edmonton
P3 @ Edmonton

I want nothing to do with the Oilers, been saying it for the last two years and think it's still true, it's a terrible matchup for the Kings. Even if the Kings threaten them, they will do what they have done the previous 2 years and stack up McD and LD, and play them 25 minutes a game, which the Kings won't be able to handle. It will kill them in the next round again, but the concern of the coach will be getting by that 1st round.
 
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Herby said:
The Kings have been such crap at home and so great on the road they will probably go 1-2 at home and 2-1 on the road.

I think we can all agree that Vancouver is winning the division, so just slot them into the Pacific 1.

The battle now becomes for that 2nd spot, it's interesting that Vegas and Edmonton are both stellar at home and meh on the road, and the Kings are the opposite, so I think getting the 2 is a bit more important to those teams.

Preference of potential playoff matchups for the Kings at this point for me would be...

WC @ Winnipeg (I'm just not a believer)
P2 v. Vegas
WC @ Dallas
P3 @ Vegas
WC @ Vancouver
WC @ Colorado
P2 vs. Edmonton
P3 @ Edmonton

I want nothing to do with the Oilers, been saying it for the last two years and think it's still true, it's a terrible matchup for the Kings. Even if the Kings threaten them, they will do what they have done the previous 2 years and stack up McD and LD, and play them 25 minutes a game, which the Kings won't be able to handle. It will kill them in the next round again, but the concern of the coach will be getting by that 1st round.
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Looking at the standings, the Kings will most likely face EDM or VAN or The Central Division Winner in round one.

(VGK is unlikely IMO because the only way we get into the top 3 is if they fall out. I don't think we're catching EDM)

In any of those scenarios, it's hard to imagine LA getting past the 1st round.

I would also hate to face EDM again, not just because of the matchup, but also because I'm tired of seeing them. With the Kings improved PK and PLD hopefully giving us 3 scoring lines I do think we matchup a lot better with them than in previous years.

The Central Division winner seems the most likely IMO
 
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“Why does Sol only talk about beating Edmonton in the playoffs? There’s more than one team” gee I wonder why the Kings should be focused on building a team that can beat Edmonton specifcially. It’s not like they’re always neck and neck to them then lose to them in the playoffs yearly.
 
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Part of the problem with Edmonton is that Bouchard has quietly developed into one of the best defenseman in the NHL.

Edmonton has the best forward line in the league, the best defensive pair in the league. Plus they play good team D, have an elite PP and have secondary scoring.

It makes them very difficult to deal with.

They just need good goaltending.
 
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Don’t want Edmonton solely because I don’t want to have another summer hearing that the Kings fell into a bad draw and they’re close because they were an annoying speed bump to the team that was an annoying speed bump to the Cup champs.
 
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Oilers are a one player team. Target that player & they crumble.

The Oilers haven't made it past the King's healthy enough to go anywhere. Sure we didn't win, but neither did the Oilers.

Get a couple of goons for the playoffs & let's roll.
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Deadline fast approaching.. lets assume Blake is unrestricted (which is probably not the case) what the hell should he do?

Roy for a goalie. Spence is 16th 5x5 points/60 amongst D men (DD 163rd) - yes he gets easier opposition but thats still impressive. Clarke is a game changer. Need both these guys taking regular shifts. Getting them both engaged is addition by subtraction to actually have 2 offensive threats from the blue line. And then we can tell Mikey and Gavi to stop making dumb pinches from the point.
 
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AbsentMojo said:
Deadline fast approaching.. lets assume Blake is unrestricted (which is probably not the case) what the hell should he do?

Roy for a goalie. Spence is 16th 5x5 points/60 amongst D men (DD 163rd) - yes he gets easier opposition but thats still impressive. Clarke is a game changer. Need both these guys taking regular shifts. Getting them both engaged is addition by subtraction to actually have 2 offensive threats from the blue line. And then we can tell Mikey and Gavi to stop making dumb pinches from the point.
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Roy is better than both Clarke and Spence RIGHT NOW. You trade Roy to make room for one of them and you're downgrading the D.

I'm not opposed to it, but it probably makes us a worse team unless the goalie you acquire gets red hot.
 
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johnjm22 said:
Part of the problem with Edmonton is that Bouchard has quietly developed into one of the best defenseman in the NHL.

Edmonton has the best forward line in the league, the best defensive pair in the league. Plus they play good team D, have an elite PP and have secondary scoring.

It makes them very difficult to deal with.

They just need good goaltending.
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Id call them cup favorites at this point
 
johnjm22 said:
Roy is better than both Clarke and Spence RIGHT NOW. You trade Roy to make room for one of them and you're downgrading the D.

I'm not opposed to it, but it probably makes us a worse team unless the goalie you acquire gets red hot.
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It would make us a little worse defensively, but much better offensively - the Kings have a hard time scoring. The top 4 D are all stay at home as it stands today. Clarke is a rover like Josi and Makar.. thats an element the Kings dont have and you give him 2nd pairing minutes he will get to join a lot more plays do things similar to what Makar does. You just make Gavrikov the conservative stay at home and not do all the piinching he's been trying lately. Also you need a goalie if you want to be serious. Net it all out and its a win.
 
AbsentMojo said:
Deadline fast approaching.. lets assume Blake is unrestricted (which is probably not the case) what the hell should he do?

Roy for a goalie. Spence is 16th 5x5 points/60 amongst D men (DD 163rd) - yes he gets easier opposition but thats still impressive. Clarke is a game changer. Need both these guys taking regular shifts. Getting them both engaged is addition by subtraction to actually have 2 offensive threats from the blue line. And then we can tell Mikey and Gavi to stop making dumb pinches from the point.
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Two options.
-The King's are going for a cup this year
-The King's are a playoff team, but aren't ready to push for a cup this year.

Trading Roy makes the defense worse this year. There are cheap goalies out there that Blake could take a shot on that doesn't require Roy to be traded.

To go for a Saros, Markstrom, Gibson, Roy needs to move. The price of those goalies also has to come down. They aren't top 5 tenders this year.

Moving Roy,
Van, TO, NYI (bubble) seem like they'd be interested
Oilers are not getting Roy.
Non playoff teams, Ott, Buffalo need RD.
Maybe Car wants a RD. Can't remember.
There is a ton of demand for Roy.

Move Roy, trade those assets for a goalie? Saros is about the only goalie that might be worth it unless something like NYI decides to dump their starter before his new contract starts next year.
 
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FSL KINGS said:
Two options.
-The King's are going for a cup this year
-The King's are a playoff team, but aren't ready to push for a cup this year.

Trading Roy makes the defense worse this year. There are cheap goalies out there that Blake could take a shot on that doesn't require Roy to be traded.

To go for a Saros, Markstrom, Gibson, Roy needs to move. The price of those goalies also has to come down. They aren't top 5 tenders this year.

Moving Roy,
Van, TO, NYI (bubble) seem like they'd be interested
Oilers are not getting Roy.
Non playoff teams, Ott, Buffalo need RD.
Maybe Car wants a RD. Can't remember.
There is a ton of demand for Roy.

Move Roy, trade those assets for a goalie? Saros is about the only goalie that might be worth it unless something like NYI decides to dump their starter before his new contract starts next year.
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There may not be a situation out there that makes sense for a goalie.. def not to our own division and preferable to the East but worth a look. The reason I picked Roy is because he's valuable, pending UFA and opens enough cap theoretically for a decent goalie.. the synergy im trying to shoot for is the loss you take on defense you make up for with offense from the D and a better goalie.. bottom line do you net a better plus minus overall on D and with the new goalie? I say you do by factoring in Clarke and Spence out there 2/3s the game.. (with the DD hogging ice time its less but you get the point). Rittich and Talbot have been great. I just think in the playoffs you will regress to your mean or worse which for Rittich is about .900 .. he does look good lately but who knows if he can take a starters load. For reference this Korpisalo v EDM last season playoffs... some of this has to do with the woeful PK in last year's playoffs.. but I dont think anyone thought he was very good.
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AbsentMojo said:
There may not be a situation out there that makes sense for a goalie.. def not to our own division and preferable to the East but worth a look. The reason I picked Roy is because he's valuable, pending UFA and opens enough cap theoretically for a decent goalie.. the synergy im trying to shoot for is the loss you take on defense you make up for with offense from the D and a better goalie.. bottom line do you net a better plus minus overall on D and with the new goalie? I say you do by factoring in Clarke and Spence out there 2/3s the game.. (with the DD hogging ice time its less but you get the point). Rittich and Talbot have been great. I just think in the playoffs you will regress to your mean or worse which for Rittich is about .900 .. he does look good lately but who knows if he can take a starters load. For reference this Korpisalo v EDM last season playoffs... some of this has to do with the woeful PK in last year's playoffs.. but I dont think anyone thought he was very good.
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Main concern with Clarke & Spence in the playoffs are them being targeted & injured. They could both use a little more strength.

Next year
Roy/Doughty
Clarke
Spence

Either Roy or Doughty & then the two yutes. Doughty is unlikely to be moved in the off-season. Cap wise it's unlikely both Doughty & Roy are back.

If the plan isn't to re-sign Roy & it looks unlikely the King's are getting out of the 1st round, it makes sense to move him. Could be a blow to the team's morale depending on what is brought back in.
 
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FSL KINGS said:
Main concern with Clarke & Spence in the playoffs are them being targeted & injured. They could both use a little more strength.

Next year
Roy/Doughty
Clarke
Spence

Either Roy or Doughty & then the two yutes. Doughty is unlikely to be moved in the off-season. Cap wise it's unlikely both Doughty & Roy are back.

If the plan isn't to re-sign Roy & it looks unlikely the King's are getting out of the 1st round, it makes sense to move him. Could be a blow to the team's morale depending on what is brought back in.
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I 100% agree re morale. Deadline deals can screw up a teams chem... look at what happened w Boston Bertuzzi Orlov and Hathaway. Vancouver is 4 and 4 since Lindholm - that doesnt really prove anything after 8 games but its always a risk. To me the Kings morale is actually in chaos and not very settled, so moving Roy at this time might not make things that worse. If they cant afford him going fwd, a lot of guys would understand thats its just moving up the goodbyes a few months.
 
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