LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

[tny760]

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[Herby]

Not sure how you put Stevens hire as a clear loss, when it was a clear promise that was made by a previous regime, then you somehow don't put Byfleid in a clear win, Bjornfoot pick a clear loss when there's not a player taken after him in the 1st round that has fared better....

Yea, sorry your bias is completely showing it's bare ass right here...

Faber trade, yea, loss, Turcotte pick, yea, loss, everything else, is just a lighter shade of grey that you are allowing your bias to show...McClellan, clear loss....yet you can put ANY coach there that didn't win...as a clear loss...just absolute bat shit crazy at this point....

How is Byfield over Stutzle a clear win? , especially when you factor in that they were trying to win with 11 and 8 and took a project.

I didn’t put it as a loss, it clearly has been so far, but Byfield has bridged the gap a bit so left it as neutral, but how on Earth do you put it as a win? Stutzle was a 90 point 1C in a year the Kings were claiming to be contenders for the Stanley Cup, was a 60 point center the year before that, and is on pace for 75 points this season . How can you just gloss over that fact, to say that a player who just this year has emerged into a 65 point winger was the clear winning choice? What are your expectations from a #2 overall pick?

The #2 pick in 2020 was a binary decision. As of right now the Kings in a supposed contending window have missed out on 1 season of 2nd line production and two seasons of 1C production from the player they passed over.

Bjornfot was mishandled and waived, how is anything to do with him not a loss? He’s a 1st round pick who was out of the organization less than 5 years after being drafted.

McLellan never won a playoff series and was fired, how is that not a loss? What kind of standards are you using?

We don’t know if Clarke is a win or not, just as we don’t know with the PLD trade, so they are to be determined. I am optimistic about Clarke, but he was a top 10 pick, a win from a player at that spot would be an all-star, maybe he gets there, I think there’s a chance. But you can’t call it a guaranteed win yet.

0 playoff series wins, spending to the cap the last 3 years, no locked in future 1C despite heavy draft capital (3 picks in Top 11 who all ended up as wingers), traded away the best player he’s drafted. And this is supposed to be a positive GM? Man, I would love to know your standards for a bad job or a poor job.

 

[Schrute farms]

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[kingskring]

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[unicornpig]

PLD 4 points in 4 games. he must have really wanted TM gone.

 

[Bandit]

PLD 4 points in 4 games. he must have really wanted TM gone.

Let’s hope he likes whoever the next guy is.

 

[All The Kings Men]

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[johnjm22]

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[johnjm22]

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

How is Byfield over Stutzle a clear win? , especially when you factor in that they were trying to win with 11 and 8 and took a project.

I didn’t put it as a loss, it clearly has been so far, but Byfield has bridged the gap a bit so left it as neutral, but how on Earth do you put it as a win? Stutzle was a 90 point 1C in a year the Kings were claiming to be contenders for the Stanley Cup, was a 60 point center the year before that, and is on pace for 75 points this season . How can you just gloss over that fact, to say that a player who just this year has emerged into a 65 point winger was the clear winning choice? What are your expectations from a #2 overall pick?

The #2 pick in 2020 was a binary decision. As of right now the Kings in a supposed contending window have missed out on 1 season of 2nd line production and two seasons of 1C production from the player they passed over.

Bjornfot was mishandled and waived, how is anything to do with him not a loss? He’s a 1st round pick who was out of the organization less than 5 years after being drafted.

McLellan never won a playoff series and was fired, how is that not a loss? What kind of standards are you using?

We don’t know if Clarke is a win or not, just as we don’t know with the PLD trade, so they are to be determined. I am optimistic about Clarke, but he was a top 10 pick, a win from a player at that spot would be an all-star, maybe he gets there, I think there’s a chance. But you can’t call it a guaranteed win yet.

0 playoff series wins, spending to the cap the last 3 years, no locked in future 1C despite heavy draft capital (3 picks in Top 11 who all ended up as wingers), traded away the best player he’s drafted. And this is supposed to be a positive GM? Man, I would love to know your standards for a bad job or a poor job.

Byfield is the better player at this stage, better team player, better all round player, and he hasn't hit his ceiling yet, clear win.

Bjornfoot was mishandled? So coming into the league and playing right away is NOW mishandling him? Good to know, the reason why it;s not a loss, is everyone else taken after him, has done f***all,

Every coach in the NHL is fired at some point, I mean shit you want to talk about standards, how about using something that doesn't hit 100% of the time, Sutter 2 cups, fired, Berube, cup, fired, a coach that took a team from 49 points to 100 points, isn't a loss in any pro sports league in in any pro sport.

I mentioned all of this earlier, you seemed to ignore it, want me to tag you in it again? Or just keep turning a blind eye so your bias shines?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

@Herby

Finally getting back here....so wanted to tell you what I was talking about with MMQB, in general,

First point, G, the critcism is that Blake should have seen this coming years and years and years ago, and that he sat and did nothing about it, that's blatantly false, A. he thought/signed Peterson, B. Since his hire in 2017, he drafted 6 goaltenders in 7 drafts, and he Kuemper, Sparks, Copley, Rittich, Talbot, traded for Portillo. While yes, results matter, G is the one position that is MOST a crap shoot, than any other position in the game, apparently he tried to move up to get Wallstedt (that's what I heard) etc but it takes 2 to make a trade, he traded for Korpisalo, etc, You (collectively) wanna bitch that he didn't find a goaltender, absolutely, but that's not the criticism, it's that he's done nothing....that's blatant BS.

Second point, LHD, same criticism, he knew all about it, and did NOTHING to fill that LHD position, except, you know draft Anderson, Phillips, Hults, Doyle, Nouisanen, Bjornfoot, Meehan, Kirsanov, Booth, Dvorak and sign Englund, Edler, Lintunemi, Fantenberg, Gravel, Brickley, Ryan, Wolanin, Clague, Moverare, Hutton, Forbort, traded for Maata, Gavrikov etc, Again, yes, results matter, but there's not a player on this list with the exception of Michael Anderson, that this fan base wanted to keep, and it turns out, Forbort, Maata etc, maybe should have been? But again, the criticism is that he should have seen a shortage on LHD and did nothing, again except bring in 23 players in 7 years, argue they were the wrong players.....but you can't argue like some are, that he did nothing.

As far as 3 years ago, ending the rebuild vs results, etc, We can only judge on what we see/know, you and I both know there are factors that we aren't privy to, so we will set those aside, Danault signing signaled the end of the rebuild I would argue, let me know if you think different.

End of 2020-2021, back in January of 2021, Doughty complains about the rebuild, so end of the season they go out and sign Danault, trade for Arvidsson, and improve 50 points from 49 to 99, Lost in round 1 in the 2021-2022 season.

End of 2021-2022, they lose Brown to retirement, trade for Fiala, that was pretty much their off-season and went from 99 points to 104 points, Lost in round 1.

End of 2022-2023, they trade for PLD....started off red hot, then went ice cold...

You are saying that people say this coming from 3 years ago? That once the ended the rebuild, they would improve in the off-season? You want to point to playoff failures in that 3 year period,

Ok great, 2021 here are playoff teams that lost in round 1, Boston, Dallas, Toronto, in 2022, here are the teams that lost in round 1, Boston, Tampa, Colorado, Winnipeg, NYR.

This board, and collectively (you) seem to have this thought that playoff wins are EASY, not sure where that came from, but if it was easy every team would be winning right?

You asked the last time a team won with "old" players, besides Kopitar and Doughty, who is old? Kempe? Fiala? Danault, Arvidsson? Anderson? Moore? Byfield? You say they built around Kopitar and Doughty, but those are two players out of an 18 player roster, these ages come from CapFriendly, I did not verify them, Kempe 27, Fiala, 27, Danault, 30, PLD, 25, Moore 28, Byfield 21, Kaliyev, 22, Laferriere, 22, JAD, 24, Grundstrom, 26, Gavrikov 28, Anderson 24, Roy, 28, Clarke, 21, Spence 22, Doesn't look like a team that's built...around Kopitar or Doughty, it looks like a team in their prime, with Doughty and Kopitar, you want to argue usage and TOI for Kopitar and Doughty, sure, you can make that argument, wouldn't really be a good one or a compelling one.

Blake's "vision and strategy" had this team as one of the hottest teams in the league, to the point where nearly EVERY pundit who follows and writes about the NHL, had the Kings on their radar as contenders. Did it fall apart, absolutely, could be coach, could be division in the room, could be voodoo, could be a lot of things, but a start like that, and a roster that captures that kind of attention, isn't a mistake...

So yea, I call it MMQB when you wanna bitch about the last 23 games (rightfully so, they played absolutely brutal hockey at times) but they've shown improvement the past 3 years, and are in bed with teams like Boston, Dallas, Toronto, Tampa, Colorado, NYR who haven't gotten past round 1 in the past 3 years....

Again, apologize for the snappish reply the other day, shitty work week etc,

And when Blake is fired, because he will be, my answser is, I hope the next guy is better, because I truly don't give a flying f*** who is the GM, or who is the coach, just want them to win, and they have been the past 2.5 years, and again, collective use here, what you fail to understand is this is sports, professional, shit happens.....Miracle on Manchester, this collapse, etc,

@Herby since you seemed to have missed it the first go round.

 

[FSL KINGS]

From Leafs board

Fifteen teams have scouts on the list for Leafs and Ducks Five - Vegas, Los Angeles, Edmonton, Dallas, Carolina - have two scouts on the list.

It looks like there could be something there with Los Angeles and Toronto.

We've got AGMs watching the Kings/Bruins right now

Believe they're looking for RD, maybe a depth center. Roy makes sense from someone they'd target. It would be crazy to trade him before the Playoffs. Who knows.

King's could be looking at Gibson or a gritty forward from the Ducks. Currently 8 to 1 leafs heading into the 3rd.

Could be shipping Bertuzzi back to Boston. He hasn't worked out in TO & has a NMC i believe.

 

[unicornpig]

No thanks to Gibson l, he's garbage

 

[Herby]

@Herby since you seemed to have missed it the first go round.

GBH,

I have argued these points with you literally dozens of times before, but if you want to go down this road again, ok. Also hilarious that you are accusing me of ducking questions (I've answred multiple times before) when you still won't even answer my simple question. Is it a meritocracy with the Kings hockey-ops department? Is it just a coincidence that all the guys in hockey-ops are Luc and Blake's best friends?

The goaltending thing is simple, if you don't have a capable NHL starter you are not a contender. If you wanted to believe that a team with Cam Talbot, a 36 year old journeyman on his 6th team in six seasons was the answer, that's on you.

Bjornfot was not mishandled by being in the NHL at 19, he was mishandled by being sent to the minors at 21 in favor of the corpse of Alex Edler. Who does this, who has a 1st round pick in the NHL for 2 full seasons and then demotes them to the minors? Is that common, yes or no? Wouldn't it have just made more sense to move on from him at that point? Of course it would have, but this is the Kings.

When Byfield has a season as a dominant as Stutzle's was last year we can say he's a better player. Stutzle would have already answered the Kings long search for finding Kopitar's replacement as the teams 1C. You and your buddy Axl will straw-man this as you guys always do, but it's just a fact, the kid had a 90 point season at 20 years old. Players who have the three year production he had in the first 3 years after the draft almost always turn into star players, true or false?

Every NHL coach is fired, yeah true, but does every one have 0 playoff series wins when spending up to the cap? I don't place as much of the blame on this season on Todd as most do, it's more a management thing, but Todd was not a win by any stretch for this management team. It was another crony hire with Rob Blake hiring his former NHL coach, just like he hired his best friends to all the other positions. Are you really sitting here and saying a HC who won 0 playoff series is a win?

So the LHD hole is just the result of poor drafting and evaluations? Ok, fair point. He also could have addressed that hole by giving up the assets and cap space he gave to two centers, this after using three Top 11 picks on centers in the years before that.

I have asked when the last time a teams who's two highest paid and highest used players were as old as Doughty and Kopitar. It's not some gotcha question GBH, but you refuse to answer it, never once, but then you come on here and say I don't answer your repeated lame water pulling takes. Just like you claimed forever that the Kings didn't use their AHL affiliate for high picks more than any other team, until you were presented facts and then the narrative switched to "There are plenty of ways to develop players" even though the Kings and Nashville are the only teams who insist on mandatory AHL time. But I'm sure you will use the same lame old "But Nemec", which is funny since for one, Nemec is one of the only high picks NJD has sent to the AHL, but also because I never said no players should do AHL time, just that it shouldn't be mandatory, but that is a concept you have never once been able to grasp. I never said the Kings depth pieces were old, they aren't old, they are in their primes without any star players on the roster and two players a combined 70 years old, so again for probably the 587th time, can you cite any example of a team that won a SC with their two best and highest paid players that age?

I'm not bitching about 23 games GBH, I'm bitching about attempting to win a Stanley Cup in a way which has never been successful before. I just don't know how you can look at the dominant teams of the last 20 years and come to the conclusion that building a team by trading 1sts and prospects and not bulding through the draft and drafting multiple star players and having them established as stars before going forward. Pittsburgh didn't end their rebuild until they had Crosby and Malkin, Chicago had Kane and Toews, LA had Kopitar and Doughty. Yet the Kings end their rebuild before a single one of their draft picks was even remotely close to being established? They traded the best player they drafted, traded 1sts in 2022 and 2023 rather than continuing the rebuild and drafting high in those drafts and you are acting like nobody saw this coming? Buddy many of us have two decades on this forum or other Kings forums, we all lived through the Dave Taylor blackhole years and could easily see it was a mistake when the rebuild was gutted and prospects and picks were traded. But now instead of acknowledging that those fact-based concerns are looking more and more valid you are coming at everyone with this MMQB nonsense. There were plenty of people on this forum who were vehemently against ending the rebuild, and for the reasons that have all come to be.

I'm sure this will be met with more incoherent cussing and name calling like it always is, but there you go. Maybe just maybe you can reference a team that won a SC with it's two best players this old or if the Kings are a metitocracy, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

GBH,

I have argued these points with you literally dozens of times before, but if you want to go down this road again, ok. Also hilarious that you are accusing me of ducking questions (I've answred multiple times before) when you still won't even answer my simple question. Is it a meritocracy with the Kings hockey-ops department? Is it just a coincidence that all the guys in hockey-ops are Luc and Blake's best friends?

The goaltending thing is simple, if you don't have a capable NHL starter you are not a contender. If you wanted to believe that a team with Cam Talbot, a 36 year old journeyman on his 6th team in six seasons was the answer, that's on you.

Bjornfot was not mishandled by being in the NHL at 19, he was mishandled by being sent to the minors at 21 in favor of the corpse of Alex Edler. Who does this, who has a 1st round pick in the NHL for 2 full seasons and then demotes them to the minors? Is that common, yes or no? Wouldn't it have just made more sense to move on from him at that point? Of course it would have, but this is the Kings.

When Byfield has a season as a dominant as Stutzle's was last year we can say he's a better player. Stutzle would have already answered the Kings long search for finding Kopitar's replacement as the teams 1C. You and your buddy Axl will straw-man this as you guys always do, but it's just a fact, the kid had a 90 point season at 20 years old. Players who have the three year production he had in the first 3 years after the draft almost always turn into star players, true or false?

Every NHL coach is fired, yeah true, but does every one have 0 playoff series wins when spending up to the cap? I don't place as much of the blame on this season on Todd as most do, it's more a management thing, but Todd was not a win by any stretch for this management team. It was another crony hire with Rob Blake hiring his former NHL coach, just like he hired his best friends to all the other positions. Are you really sitting here and saying a HC who won 0 playoff series is a win?

So the LHD hole is just the result of poor drafting and evaluations? Ok, fair point. He also could have addressed that hole by giving up the assets and cap space he gave to two centers, this after using three Top 11 picks on centers in the years before that.

I have asked when the last time a teams who's two highest paid and highest used players were as old as Doughty and Kopitar. It's not some gotcha question GBH, but you refuse to answer it, never once, but then you come on here and say I don't answer your repeated lame water pulling takes. Just like you claimed forever that the Kings didn't use their AHL affiliate for high picks more than any other team, until you were presented facts and then the narrative switched to "There are plenty of ways to develop players" even though the Kings and Nashville are the only teams who insist on mandatory AHL time. But I'm sure you will use the same lame old "But Nemec", which is funny since for one, Nemec is one of the only high picks NJD has sent to the AHL, but also because I never said no players should do AHL time, just that it shouldn't be mandatory, but that is a concept you have never once been able to grasp. I never said the Kings depth pieces were old, they aren't old, they are in their primes without any star players on the roster and two players a combined 70 years old, so again for probably the 587th time, can you cite any example of a team that won a SC with their two best and highest paid players that age?

I'm not bitching about 23 games GBH, I'm bitching about attempting to win a Stanley Cup in a way which has never been successful before. I just don't know how you can look at the dominant teams of the last 20 years and come to the conclusion that building a team by trading 1sts and prospects and not bulding through the draft and drafting multiple star players and having them established as stars before going forward. Pittsburgh didn't end their rebuild until they had Crosby and Malkin, Chicago had Kane and Toews, LA had Kopitar and Doughty. Yet the Kings end their rebuild before a single one of their draft picks was even remotely close to being established? They traded the best player they drafted, traded 1sts in 2022 and 2023 rather than continuing the rebuild and drafting high in those drafts and you are acting like nobody saw this coming? Buddy many of us have two decades on this forum or other Kings forums, we all lived through the Dave Taylor blackhole years and could easily see it was a mistake when the rebuild was gutted and prospects and picks were traded. But now instead of acknowledging that those fact-based concerns are looking more and more valid you are coming at everyone with this MMQB nonsense. There were plenty of people on this forum who were vehemently against ending the rebuild, and for the reasons that have all come to be.

I'm sure this will be met with more incoherent cussing and name calling like it always is, but there you go. Maybe just maybe you can reference a team that won a SC with it's two best players this old or if the Kings are a metitocracy, but I'm not holding my breath.

Good lord, nobody is reading all that.

4 wins in last 5, beat best team in league, Clarke’s 1st goal, PLD playing like the guy we traded for…..let’s take a break from all the negativity and enjoy this for at least the next 12+ hours or so. GO KINGS!

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Do you think that insane level of negativity is really helpful for team improvement?

Yea, because the sooner Rob Blake and Luc Robitaille are no longer making hockey decisions for this franchise, the closer we’ll be to actually contending again.

I’m not interested in a good regular season and one playoff series. I want to see the team win a championship, or at the very least come close to it.

The Bluc regime has failed spectacularly to deliver that. In fact, they’ve traded away valuable, all star level youth in the process.

No GM in the history of the LA Kings has done so little with so much.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Yea, because the sooner Rob Blake and Luc Robitaille are no longer making hockey decisions for this franchise, the closer we’ll be to actually contending again.

I’m not interested in a good regular season and one playoff series. I want to see the team win a championship, or at the very least come close to it.

The Bluc regime has failed spectacularly to deliver that. In fact, they’ve traded away valuable, all star level youth in the process.

No GM in the history of the LA Kings has done so little with so much.

lol, with ‘so much’….who do you think brought in all that ‘so much’….Santa Claus?

 

[Master Yoda]

Good lord, nobody is reading all that.

4 wins in last 5, beat best team in league, Clarke’s 1st goal, PLD playing like the guy we traded for…..let’s take a break from all the negativity and enjoy this for at least the next 12+ hours or so. GO KINGS!

Herby doesn't need defending from another poster, but GBH was asking for a response. What did you expect for an answer?

Definitely agree we can enjoy a good win and Brandt Clarke's first NHL goal on an overtime game winner.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

What did you expect for an answer?

I don’t know, I didn’t read it. However, when I need something to put me to sleep tonight, I know where to go.

 

[David Lunch]

Good lord, nobody is reading all that.

It was a great, high effort post.

I don’t know, I didn’t read it. However, when I need something to put me to sleep tonight, I know wh

Not really something to brag about, honestly.

 

[chris kontos]

Gabe velardi power play goal for winnipeg ties canucks at 1-1. Gabe having a good nite

 

[Herby]

Herby doesn't need defending from another poster, but GBH was asking for a response. What did you expect for an answer?

Definitely agree we can enjoy a good win and Brandt Clarke's first NHL goal on an overtime game winner.

Oh man, you made me click a couple of buttons and look at the accident again.

It appears my response to GBH was to much to handle for the feeble minded amongst us. Unfortunately I can’t accommodate everyone on the intellect scale, there is no option to make a post in crayon.

 

[Herby]

Gabe velardi power play goal for winnipeg ties canucks at 1-1

Adding Vilardi to all my DFS lineups through the rest of the month. Heater incoming.

I wonder how much they spent on the slump buster.

 

[VILARGOD]

 

[chris kontos]

Fat bottomed girls make the rockin world go round!