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I came across someone saying this on the main board and he didn’t even realize he was describing Blake’s masterclass:
BLNY said:
You can't teach someone to play center while playing them on the wing and you can't expect a kid to learn to employ their skills in an 8 min a night checking role.
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I was like dude come watch LA do exactly this!
 
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FSL KINGS said:
He did have the guts to go with Byfield, a project player, instead of the more polished player at the draft. Blake took a lot of BS for that pick, ununfairly.
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No, it was fair then and now because it was against what Blake was saying his vision was. He was saying the team wanted NHL ready talent to help them now and Stutzle was the de-facto most NHL ready prospect. Blake took Byfield and then tried to spin it that Byfield wasn't a high upside project. It's just one example of him saying one thing, doing another, and then trying to change the narrative.
 
Bandit said:
I came across someone saying this on the main board and he didn’t even realize he was describing Blake’s masterclass:


I was like dude come watch LA do exactly this!
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LOL. That's me. I speak from my own fan experience. Montreal did it with Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi - though Galch got more than 8 mins a game at the outset.

Hockey is the ONLY sport where people think this is acceptable. Imagine an NFL team drafting a QB and rationalizing away the fact they were teaching the player by having him play TE. It's ridiculous.

Too many NHL coaches don't want to teach. They want to do whatever it takes to preserve their job. That's why MSL is so damn refreshing at the moment.
 
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BLNY said:
LOL. That's me. I speak from my own fan experience. Montreal did it with Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi - though Galch got more than 8 mins a game at the outset.

Hockey is the ONLY sport where people think this is acceptable. Imagine an NFL team drafting a QB and rationalizing away the fact they were teaching the player by having him play TE. It's ridiculous.

Too many NHL coaches don't want to teach. They want to do whatever it takes to preserve their job. That's why MSL is so damn refreshing at the moment.
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Totally agree. You put players in positions that work to their strengths. Not here in LA though. Surprised they haven’t tried Byfield in goal at this point to “get some perspective on being a good teammate that takes picks to the head”.
 
DyslexicTom said:
No retread GMs. No retread coaches. At least not ones that are basically a revolving door. We need someone new or who has wandered the wilderness for a bit who has a semblance of a plan. Basically Dean 2.0
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lol...Lombardi was a 'retread' from SJ. Was with them for 7 years and never won shit.

Besides, didn't you just describe Rob Blake to a 'T'??
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
lol...Lombardi was a 'retread' from SJ. Was with them for 7 years and never won shit.

Besides, didn't you just describe Rob Blake to a 'T'??
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He did say "wandered the wilderness".

The only part that describes Rob Blake was "no retread" and "new". That said, he felt like a retread and old since it was, you know, a guy that had been in the organization in some capacity for the majority of the 25 years prior to his hiring as GM.

It needs to be someone from outside the 1990-early-2000 Kings bubble.
 
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He did say "wandered the wilderness".

The only part that describes Rob Blake was "no retread" and "new". That said, he felt like a retread and old since it was, you know, a guy that had been in the organization in some capacity for the majority of the 25 years prior to his hiring as GM.

It needs to be someone from outside the 1990-early-2000 Kings bubble.
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yah...well hell, the idea sure makes tons of sense. I mean, if I was an owner and I was looking to hire a manager for my team, I'd sure be taking someone who is a 'wanderer' with minimal experience and familiarity with the org. Here, take my money!
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
yah...well hell, the idea sure makes tons of sense. I mean, if I was an owner and I was looking to hire a manager for my team, I'd sure be taking someone who is a 'wanderer' with minimal experience and familiarity with the org. Here, take my money!
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In the sense of Lombardi, the term "wanderer" means someone who has the experience but has been in lower roles since holding the GM position. It's kind of like, you know, time to reflect on what you did wrong so you can be a better GM the next time around.
 
BigKing said:
He did say "wandered the wilderness".

The only part that describes Rob Blake was "no retread" and "new". That said, he felt like a retread and old since it was, you know, a guy that had been in the organization in some capacity for the majority of the 25 years prior to his hiring as GM.

It needs to be someone from outside the 1990-early-2000 Kings bubble.
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History of Kings players running the team

Vachon - 8 seasons
Taylor - 8 seasons
Blake - 7 seasons

1 division title, 0 Trips beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Taylor and Blake have a combined 1 playoff series win.

No former player should ever run this team again, it's just a recipe for failure.
 
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Herby said:
History of Kings players running the team

Vachon - 8 seasons
Taylor - 8 seasons
Blake - 7 seasons

1 division title, 0 Trips beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Taylor and Blake have a combined 1 playoff series win.

No former player should ever run this team again, it's just a recipe for failure.
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Maybe if it is a former player, it can't be a Kings legend with their number in the rafters. Feels like they are automatically going to have more rope based on their playing status.

Doug Zmolek wants to take a crack with Scott Parse as assistant GM? Let's ride!
 
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Herby said:
History of Kings players running the team

Vachon - 8 seasons
Taylor - 8 seasons
Blake - 7 seasons

1 division title, 0 Trips beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Taylor and Blake have a combined 1 playoff series win.

No former player should ever run this team again, it's just a recipe for failure.
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I think the odds of someone being world class in two different (albeit related professions) is very low... ie the things that make you a great player arent necessarily going to make you a great GM. The things you have going for you from being a player are fame, knowledge of the sport and relationships.. Those qualities are helpful and give you a boost but arent the most imporant things which are: leading a people organization (esp hiring/firing), having intuition on talent, understanding finances, having negotiating skills and building/executing a vision for the team which requires great communication.
 
BigKing said:
Maybe if it is a former player, it can't be a Kings legend with their number in the rafters. Feels like they are automatically going to have more rope based on their playing status.

Doug Zmolek wants to take a crack with Scott Parse as assistant GM? Let's ride!
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Only if Sandy Moger is hired as director of player development
 
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AbsentMojo said:
I think the odds of someone being world class in two different (albeit related professions) is very low... ie the things that make you a great player arent necessarily going to make you a great GM. The things you have going for you from being a player are fame, knowledge of the sport and relationships.. Those qualities are helpful and give you a boost but arent the most imporant things which are: leading a people organization (esp hiring/firing), having intuition on talent, understanding finances, having negotiating skills and building/executing a vision for the team which requires great communication.
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I think there is a problem when former players of a certain caliber within an organization are tasked with managing guys that are in the same rare club, i.e. Bluc with Brown/Quick/Doughty/Kopitar.

All the names I just listed have their number retired with the Kings or will once they retire, so that leaves just Vachon and Taylor as the two members of the club that aren't part of the last what...18 year or so?

You can say that it wasn't a problem with Quick since they traded him, but then Kopitar gets extended for two seasons prior to playing out the final year of his deal and, before that, you get Doughty's pouting and an apparent change in course of the rebuild afterwards.
 
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BigKing said:
I think there is a problem when former players of a certain caliber within an organization are tasked with managing guys that are in the same rare club, i.e. Bluc with Brown/Quick/Doughty/Kopitar.

All the names I just listed have their number retired with the Kings or will once they retire, so that leaves just Vachon and Taylor as the two members of the club that aren't part of the last what...18 year or so?

You can say that it wasn't a problem with Quick since they traded him, but then Kopitar gets extended for two seasons prior to playing out the final year of his deal and, before that, you get Doughty's pouting and an apparent change in course of the rebuild afterwards.
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100% agree. A lot of questionable buddy system things happening under the Blake regime.
 
BigKing said:
Maybe if it is a former player, it can't be a Kings legend with their number in the rafters. Feels like they are automatically going to have more rope based on their playing status.

Doug Zmolek wants to take a crack with Scott Parse as assistant GM? Let's ride!
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What's Vinny Lecavalier up to these days lol
 
It was either on the Dailey Faceoff or Jeff Marek show yesterday - I listen to both daily - they said Rob Blake is probably the only GM on the hot seat when mentioning candidates to replace Jarmo.

Every other GM is either new or safe.
 
Johnny Utah said:
It was either on the Dailey Faceoff or Jeff Marek show yesterday - I listen to both daily - they said Rob Blake is probably the only GM on the hot seat when mentioning candidates to replace Jarmo.

Every other GM is either new or safe.
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He has to have the hottest GM seat in the NHL, and deservedly so.

Lombardi was sitting on a pretty warm seat himself when he hired Sutter but AEG let him hire Sutter and sign him to a two year contract while they didn't let Robbie do shit with the T-Mac firing.

When looking up to see how long Sutter's first contract was, I came across this gem. Woof:

Burnside Craps on Sutter Hiring
 
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We can all appreciate what Lombardi accomplished in LA but he wasn't exactly celebrated when he was hired. He received a ton of criticism for his plan on this board right up until the Kings won a Cup under Sutter who was also a retread. The decision to hire Sutter was also met with a ton of criticism.

At the end of the day DL had a distinct framework and a plan. He stuck to it and it inevitably worked in spite of his failures leading up to winning. I drank the Kool-Aid early on and slowly began to turn on him right up until he hired Sutter which I thought was his death knell.

With all that said, Blake never has given me the inclination that he's playing a game of chess and is one step ahead. He's pretty much winging it as well as any other idiot could do. You can be the smartest man in the room and still fail. But I don't think Blake has ever been the smartest man in the room unless it was just him and Luc.
 
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