LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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At this point of the season I'm fine with the rope Laf has been getting. He's getting the treatment we all wanted the rookies to get for years. This team isn't winning the stanley cup, isn't doing any damage in the playoffs if they actually make the playoffs. Laf is struggling (so is everyone else) but he'll be better for it in the long run which is what everyone here has wanted a rookie to go though. When Turcotte, Byfield, Vilardi would come up for a few games and then get sent back down everyone was like wtf they need to stay up and grow in the NHL, who cares if they're not producing? Now Laf is growing in the NHL and not producing and everyone wants him sent down. Kaliyev's treatment is another discussion, and I don't think it should be a Laf vs Kaliyev debate.
 
At this point of the season I'm fine with the rope Laf has been getting. He's getting the treatment we all wanted the rookies to get for years. This team isn't winning the stanley cup, isn't doing any damage in the playoffs if they actually make the playoffs. Laf is struggling but he'll be better for it in the long run which is what everyone here has wanted a rookie to go though. Kaliyev's treatment is another discussion, and I don't think it should be a Laf vs Kaliyev debate.
Playing his first season just like Björnfot.
 
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At this point of the season I'm fine with the rope Laf has been getting. He's getting the treatment we all wanted the rookies to get for years. This team isn't winning the stanley cup, isn't doing any damage in the playoffs if they actually make the playoffs. Laf is struggling (so is everyone else) but he'll be better for it in the long run which is what everyone here has wanted a rookie to go though. When Turcotte, Byfield, Vilardi would come up for a few games and then get sent back down everyone was like wtf they need to stay up and grow in the NHL, who cares if they're not producing? Now Laf is growing in the NHL and not producing and everyone wants him sent down. Kaliyev's treatment is another discussion, and I don't think it should be a Laf vs Kaliyev debate.
It's less people complaining and wanting it both ways, and more some people being able to look and evaluate each of these situations isolated in a bubble. Then judge and decide what is best for each individual player based on those evaluations.

In harsher terms, it's some of us have realized we really are better evaluating players than Blake, and yes he really IS that bad at his job.
 
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It's less people complaining and wanting it both ways, and more some people being able to look and evaluate each of these situations isolated in a bubble. Then judge and decide what is best for each individual player based on those evaluations.

In harsher terms, it's some of us have realized we really are better evaluating players than Blake, and yes he really IS that bad at his job.
The next GM needs some scouting experience. Blue Jackets just let Jarmo go. He seemed to do ok on a team that had trouble retaining talent.
 
The LTIR moves make sense. You want to stay as close to the cap as possible in order to maximize the pool of money accruing from the LTIR player(s).

So with Arvidsson back in the lineup along with his cap hit, you are near the cap, if not exceeding it within the constraints of the 23 man roster.

I assume they want to use the cap hits from Lizotte and Grundstrom to fund that LTIR pool by as much as possible over the cap.
 
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The next GM needs some scouting experience. Blue Jackets just let Jarmo go. He seemed to do ok on a team that had trouble retaining talent.
Herby nailed it a while back. Just hire competent, knowledgeable people to surround you.
A GM's job isn't actually that difficult if you have a very good scouting staff, a competent person running your cap numbers, and a coaching staff that share your vision.
Many GM's just seem prone to surrounding themselves with yes men, and people that will tell them what they want to hear.

Just hire the most qualified candidates and trust in your staff.
 
Herby nailed it a while back. Just hire competent, knowledgeable people to surround you.
A GM's job isn't actually that difficult if you have a very good scouting staff, a competent person running your cap numbers, and a coaching staff that share your vision.
Many GM's just seem prone to surrounding themselves with yes men, and people that will tell them what they want to hear.

Just hire the most qualified candidates and trust in your staff.
Must of been Lombardi's secret to success.......until it wasn't.
 
Lizo too. I was going to ask how they fit RV under the cap.. then i saw this and looked at capfriendly... at least Blake has learned to play the game that TB and VGK have down cold.
yeah but Lizotte has been injured for weeks. He probably could come off LTIR tomorrow if he suddenly got healthy. Grundstrom just got hurt and they insta Robidas Islanded him so they could activate Arvidsson.
 
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yeah but Lizotte has been injured for weeks. He probably could come off LTIR tomorrow if he suddenly got healthy. Grundstrom just got hurt and they insta Robidas Islanded him so they could activate Arvidsson.
It would not surprise me in the least if Grundstrom feigned this injury for this exact purpose (dude your options are: fake the inujry or go through waivers where you may get claimed if not your in the A). All this for Blake's self-owning PLD shopping spree
 
Hoping on a plane this evening to LA!!

Hope LA does not lay an egg Saturday what with it being 10 days between games.
Ok I am glad they showed up for the Edmonton game at least. was a lot of fun.

Before getting to crypto there were a bunch of people on peddle bikes in front on the road. As I drove by someone threw something at my rental (no big deal because it was a rental) anyone know what the hell that was about though. They were blocking the whole road, and definitely was a little off.
 
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Ok I am glad they showed up for the Edmonton game at least. was a lot of fun.

Before getting to crypto there were a bunch of people on peddle bikes in front on the road. As I drove by someone threw something at my rental (no big deal because it was a rental) anyone know what the hell that was about though. They were blocking the whole road, and definitely was a little off.
the cyclers are getting a bit out of control, theyre always so angry
 
The LTIR moves make sense. You want to stay as close to the cap as possible in order to maximize the pool of money accruing from the LTIR player(s).

So with Arvidsson back in the lineup along with his cap hit, you are near the cap, if not exceeding it within the constraints of the 23 man roster.

I assume they want to use the cap hits from Lizotte and Grundstrom to fund that LTIR pool by as much as possible over the cap.
I think right now they're rolling with a 22-man roster to stay compliant. What a shit show.
 
Ok I am glad they showed up for the Edmonton game at least. was a lot of fun.

Before getting to crypto there were a bunch of people on peddle bikes in front on the road. As I drove by someone threw something at my rental (no big deal because it was a rental) anyone know what the hell that was about though. They were blocking the whole road, and definitely was a little off.
probably some of those "bike life" dweebs that take up the whole road to do wheelies and shit

no surprise they always ride in packs cause they would get turned into a puddle solo
 
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If playoffs started today they would play Dallas..........and get smoked.
Robertson killing his family's favorite team:

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This sounds like total speculation.
It was literally just explained to you by the coach via ATKM.

The player is struggling to find a way to fit into the team. He has long been known as being an introverted personality and that did not come across well in pre-draft interviews.
 
It was literally just explained to you by the coach via ATKM.

The player is struggling to find a way to fit into the team. He has long been known as being an introverted personality and that did not come across well in pre-draft interviews.
Maybe Arty should have spent his summer in LA going to dance lessons instead of working out.
 
You want Jarmo? lol
He seemed to do a good job with most players wanting out of Ohio constantly. In LA where he could attract talent the outcome might be different.
Herby nailed it a while back. Just hire competent, knowledgeable people to surround you.
A GM's job isn't actually that difficult if you have a very good scouting staff, a competent person running your cap numbers, and a coaching staff that share your vision.
Many GM's just seem prone to surrounding themselves with yes men, and people that will tell them what they want to hear.

Just hire the most qualified candidates and trust in your staff.
Blake has good instincts as far as what the team needs. His problem seems to be how individual players skill sets will mesh with the team.

Example
Team needed scoring. Blake got Fiala. Todd stuck Fiala with Danault. Todd obviously didn't trust Fiala defensively, who was stapled to the most defensive forward. Which wasn't the best fit for Fiala to be successful.

A GM with scouting experience might have been able to find another option that meshed better with the team, linemates. There are other examples.

He did have the guts to go with Byfield, a project player, instead of the more polished player at the draft. Blake took a lot of BS for that pick, unfairly.
 
Maybe Arty should have spent his summer in LA going to dance lessons instead of working out.

I think one of the biggest perils of this roster construction is that you have a WIDE age/experience gap between the tenured Cup winners and the fruits of the rebuild.

Hockey games might be won by skills, but playoff success is based on will. You need a common goal with everyone pulling in the same direction.

This team has old - very old in some cases - players who have already achieved success and have spent the majority of the last decade just accepting what comes with their fat salaries and satisfied bellies. They haven't played poorly, just without any kind of hunger that was displayed while chasing the Cup.

Compare that with young kids coming in, being forced to play out of position while the strengths of their games aren't being nurtured. Kids who sit for games at a time after playing well. Kids who KNOW they are ready but KNOW they can't get their chance due to cap concerns.

What's the commonality there? The old vets here have never been known as leaders, just respected. At some point the kids need to be allowed to take over the on-ice ownership of the club, but that keeps getting delayed and delayed with every Danault, Arvidsson, Fiala, Gavrikov and Dubois that gets added into the middle of the team.

The model here is broken. Its not the skill, its the inability to get a collection of indivuduals with differing goals to coalesce into something greater than the sum of its parts.

Its no surprise that some of these kids like Kaliyev and Bjornfot are falling thru that gap. Good debuts, then shut down by veteran adfitions. They lose confidence, lose time, and are suddenly out of waivers options as their ELCs are ending.

Its terrible, terrible management. The worst in team history. Its actually unbelievable how they can screw up in so many ways.
 

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