LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

[lumbergh]

Because he's better than him and has shown chemistry with PLD. AK has played on that line at times too and done nothing. Laf also shows variety in his shots, never afraid to shoot from anywhere or change it up. The entire league know where AK will shoot, and the goalies are just waiting for it. AK has a great shot, but never changes where he's gonna shoot.

How is Laferriere better than Kaliyev? I can accept he's faster, but the results simply are not there. 6 goals and 9 assists in 49 games. How is that good?

What chemistry? The two of them have been the worst line on the team for the entire season, no matter who is next to them.

Congrats on the variety of shots. They all get stopped, though. The guy has a 6.1% shooting percentage. That is the same as famed stone hands Trevor Lewis in his career.

People keep talking about the eye test. Okay, maybe Laferriere looks the part, but when you take a look at the results, it's not pretty.

 

[lumbergh]

Its just incompetence. These idiots did the same thing to tobias bjornfot because he wasnt physical enough yet started at #2 for an entire season.
The la kings- where young draftees sign on to rot.

The problem with Bjornfot is that he's not very good, not because the Kings screwed him.

 

[tny760]

Because he's better than him and has shown chemistry with PLD. AK has played on that line at times too and done nothing. Laf also shows variety in his shots, never afraid to shoot from anywhere or change it up. The entire league know where AK will shoot, and the goalies are just waiting for it. AK has a great shot, but never changes where he's gonna shoot.

kaliyev showed chemistry with danault but we're willing to ignore that?

hell his stats with lizotte are actually good, they're dogshit when he's saddled with JAD and lewis though

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Kaliyev would be an idiot not to want out of this shithole
f***ing idiot mgmt wants to build a defense first team without goaltending
High school dropout president
Multiple times concussed gm
Retained coaching staff of choker coach
Failed gm consultant

Yeah where do i sign up for season tickets at the new increased price???

I can’t like this enough!!!!


Seriously this entire organization is run by frat boys and is way to f***ing clicky right down to the people covering the team.

Burn the whole thing to the ground! f*** we are getting a team in SLC maybe it’s time to move my team the same way I moved my ass out of Cali because it was rotting from the inside out for supporting unsustainable weak ass entitlements.

Luc Robitaille is just a dumber Gavin Newsom and Blake is Gascon!

 

[chris kontos]

The problem with Bjornfot is that he's not very good, not because the Kings screwed him.

I guess the vegas golden knights saw some talent in him- although i understand he's presently injured. So it took an entire yearof bjornfot playing and sticking on the 1st d for them to figure out he's not very good? They let kaliyev play part of a season, score 16 goals and scratch him for 90 % of another before they decided he's not very good?
Yes the kings screwed bjornfot. And kaliyev. And themselves in the process.
THESE IDIOTS JUST GET WORSE AND WORSE

 

[GameNight]

Anyone got any Arty Party?

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Just leaving these here for no particular reason.

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

Yeah, why shake things up when they had been going so swimmingly the month prior?

Just gotta "trust the process" lol. Nah jk, I definitely don't agree with it. Just what Hiller said in interviews / what he's done so far.

It's absolutely ridiculous there haven't been significant lineup changes and the fact that line rushes yesterday morning indicate we still won't see big changes is absurd.

Kaliyev has no business being in the press box while guys like Grundstrom, Lewis, and JAD are treated as staples in the lineup despite doing jack sh*t.

Hell, I'd argue Kaliyev should be in over Laferriere most nights. Obviously its about more than just points - But Laferriere has 1 more point than Kaliyev in 11 more games. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm a huge Laferriere fan but the fact that he's viewed by the coaching staff as a 'must have' in the lineup is wild to me. He makes defensive mistakes too, he turns the puck over (egregiously at times) too, and it's not exactly like he's lighting it up.

Free. Arty.

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

How is Laferriere better than Kaliyev? I can accept he's faster, but the results simply are not there. 6 goals and 9 assists in 49 games. How is that good?

What chemistry? The two of them have been the worst line on the team for the entire season, no matter who is next to them.

Congrats on the variety of shots. They all get stopped, though. The guy has a 6.1% shooting percentage. That is the same as famed stone hands Trevor Lewis in his career.

People keep talking about the eye test. Okay, maybe Laferriere looks the part, but when you take a look at the results, it's not pretty.

Agree - I think it's just a tiny bit too early for Laferriere. He's been fine (for the most part) as a placeholder for Arvidsson and props to him for having a great camp and taking advantage of the opportunity - But he's a rookie on an ELC and his scoring touch clearly isn't there (yet - I think we'll see a lot more scoring from him next year).

If you're going to play in a top 9 role on this team, you should be able to score at a decent rate. I have no doubt in my mind Kaliyev would be sitting at 25+ points easily if he had remained in the top 9 like Laferriere has. Probably 30+ if he has remained coupled with Moore and Danault (who he looked great with).

It's infuriating. And McLellan (and now Hiller) are going to claim Laferriere "Just fits the team much better"???? Really?? Are you SURE about that?? Because to me it seems like the main thing his line is good at is giving up goals against. Hey I guess that is a great fit for this team currently with the way everyone's playing.

Edit: I like Laferriere a lot as a player and think he's going to be great for us in the future - Not trying to dog on a rookie. It's more on the coaches.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Absolutely insane that people are shitting on Laf, a rookie who plays at 110% every shift, to make Kaliyev, a non rooke who plays at 50% every shift....and then wonder why the coaches prefer Laf....

Mind boggling....

 

[Schmooley]

Absolutely insane that people are shitting on Laf, a rookie who plays at 110% every shift, to make Kaliyev, a non rooke who plays at 50% every shift....and then wonder why the coaches prefer Laf....

Mind boggling....

Laf is gonna be a great King but he is getting a lot of leash. More than any other rookie has since Blake took over. I think its because he dropped the gloves a couple times.
But you are saying Kaliyevs problem is effort?
I see him hustle. He digs in the corners and backchecks. He doesnt always come out with the puck or pick up the right man but he does try. He went especially hard those games after being scratched.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Laf is gonna be a great King but he is getting a lot of leash. More than any other rookie has since Blake took over. I think its because he dropped the gloves a couple times.
But you are saying Kaliyevs problem is effort?
I see him hustle. He digs in the corners and backchecks. He doesnt always come out with the puck or pick up the right man but he does try. He went especially hard those games after being scratched.

Kaliyev's problem is CONSISTENT effort....as well as hockey IQ....he can shoot the puck, absolutely rifle it.....so can Martin Frk

 

[Faterson]

Just leaving these here for no particular reason.

Perhaps significantly, they don't display on an iPad at all.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Hope we can stock up 2025 picks it is supposed to be a deep draft with some high end goalies. Blake is in such cap hell he is going to have to do something without taking any money back as it is. If he really wants to save his job (I doubt he cares he is sitting on a pile of money) he is going to have to parlay Arvidson and Roy into cap space!

Roy. 1st 2025
Arvidson 1st 2025
That could restock the cabinets for a GM and scouting staff that are not drafting their brother in laws kids and their drinking buddies step kids!

 

[chris kontos]

my note to a gm of a different team:
hey we got a bunch of guys who cant shoot, aren't very good on defense are non physical and as an added bonus the're small! how about you trade us your star goaltender and retain -o lets say 60% of their salary because im right at the salary cap. sounds like a good trade for both teams huh?

jfc this team, its mgmt. where do i sign up for my new increased price season tickets? staggers the imagination. im just glad i aint payin for it.

 

[Schrute farms]

This is totally on Arty. Yes he needs to fit in. He needs to look at the $8.5M man PLd and follow in his footsteps. Put in the PLD work on & off the ice. The commitment to the team, the structure, defense, Hussle, etc. Once he does that, then he will have a place on this team.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Absolutely insane that people are shitting on Laf, a rookie who plays at 110% every shift, to make Kaliyev, a non rooke who plays at 50% every shift....and then wonder why the coaches prefer Laf....

Mind boggling....

Nobody is shitting on Laf they just want to see some numbers behind the effort.

 

[tny760]

110% with no results means nothing when you have someone like trevor moore, QB, danault giving 110% but producing

you can't afford to have a lineup of 110% players when none of them can score goals. JAD does that, lewis does that, laf does that, grundstrom doesn't even give you 50% -- 50% of the time but he's a staple

the team can't put the f***in puck in the net, how on god's green earth is the solution to play a bunch of people who can't put the puck in the net? or are we so deluded into the rob blake "defense scores goals" train

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Nobody is shitting on Laf they just want to see some numbers behind the effort.

Right, and they're not so much shitting on Laf anyway as shitting on the rope he gets and others get while Kaliyev is just waiting behind the woodshed

 

[tny760]

don't worry RV will save the season!

and with all this new cap space we can maybe afford to pay clarke for a few games!

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

110% with no results means nothing when you have someone like trevor moore, QB, danault giving 110% but producing

you can't afford to have a lineup of 110% players when none of them can score goals. JAD does that, lewis does that, laf does that, grundstrom doesn't even give you 50% -- 50% of the time but he's a staple

the team can't put the f***in puck in the net, how on god's green earth is the solution to play a bunch of people who can't put the puck in the net? or are we so deluded into the rob blake "defense scores goals" train

It will not shock most to learn that the Kings generate more offensively and give up less defensively with JAD off the ice.

 

[tny760]

It will not shock most to learn that the Kings generate more offensively and give up less defensively with JAD off the ice.

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unfortunately none of your pictures on this page work for me but yeah, no surprise there

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

unfortunately none of your pictures on this page work for me but yeah, no surprise there

Well that’s frustrating. They worked when I first posted them but now they’re not showing up for me either. I’ll try to fix them later when I’m home from work.

 

[tigermask48]

Nobody is shitting on Laf they just want to see some numbers behind the effort.

Laf is one of those players that seems like he'd benefit greatly from some games in the AHL. He's proven he can play and compete in the NHL, but hasn't shown he can produce. Send him down for a month with his confidence and see if he starts producing and becoming a leader in Ontario. If that happens call him back up and see if his production translates to the NHL.
But nope. Got to have him under-produce all year in the NHL, so management can hang it's hat that they found an everyday NHL player in the draft.

Just watch next year he won't develop further, he'll still be the same player he is now, possibly worse, and the same management that praises him now, will be claiming "he needs to show more" and "we need more from him", the same things we heard about JAD, Bjornfot, Kaliev, Moverare, Spence, and all the others that Blake and Co. have failed to successfully integrate into this roster.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Laf is one of those players that seems like he'd benefit greatly from some games in the AHL. He's proven he can play and compete in the NHL, but hasn't shown he can produce. Send him down for a month with his confidence and see if he starts producing and becoming a leader in Ontario. If that happens call him back up and see if his production translates to the NHL.
But nope. Got to have him under-produce all year in the NHL, so management can hang it's hat that they found an everyday NHL player in the draft.

Just watch next year he won't develop further, he'll still be the same player he is now, possibly worse, and the same management that praises him now, will be claiming "he needs to show more" and "we need for from him", the same things we heard about JAD, Bjornfot, Kaliev, Moverare, Spence, and all the others that Blake and Co. have failed to successfully integrate into this roster.

If he is the same player next year as he is this year, who exactly is that on, the player? the coaches? Both?