LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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Very interesting thread from Rosen regarding PLD and the Kings. I'll summarize, but advise you to read it:



- PLD was brought in to provide center depth to help win in the playoffs (Rosen admits there's some spin to this)
- people outside the org didn't think PLD was a McLellan guy, but Rosen's not close enough to org now to get an internal pulse
- LA didn't want to fire McLellan after he signed a show me contract. Of course, things change, but he doesn't feel the org is there yet to change their mind
- feels it's critical for the Kings to get at least 6 points in the 4 games before the break.


Would love to hear that source has to say now....AFTER the slump, there's AFTER the streak everyone is happy...we got him to win...ok...and after the slump..what, you got him to lose? That's such a bad statement to make

I really like Fagemo and Clarke has brilliant vision but they are not being utilitized correctly per usual.

Team needs a shake up. Not sure what that will be but I'd start with mixing up the PP.

Kings have always had trouble with creativity and scoring. Fiala has flaws but I'm grateful he is on the team. They need him like it or not.

Kempe is still an impact player but they need him in 40 goal form.

Byfield is an emerging star now.

Laff is gonna be a big part of this team sooner than later.

Clarke isn't being utilized properly? Huh? When it's him and Doughty, he's #2 on the PP, if Spence was out and Clarke was in, you'd be bitchign that Spence wasn't being utilized properly...
 
Just when I thought we were out of smug "we are always right" sycophants a challenger appears

What is it with these people? I don't understand. Do they think the Kings wouldn't be getting pinata-ed if they had a different fanbase or weren't in LA? they'd be getting absolutely fried

f*** this organization so so hard, It cannot burn hard enough at this point, they all deserve to be out of hockey with these attitudes
Yeah I’m surprised he’s mad at the fans when Durzi played really well when he joined the Kings. And then Todd made him play on his offwing and made him a defensive dman. And then he sucked because Todd being the great coach he is thought it would be best to play Durzi to his weaknesses. That’s the fanbases fault? Go f*** yourself with that tweet. He should be mad that all of the execs are all bros hired by nepotism.
 
Which actually highlights the main problem with any web reporting.. click bait wins out over integrity in reporting every time.
I still remember in my high school journalism class some 20 years ago. The first day the teacher had us bring a newspaper with us, he has us read only the headline and opening paragraph of a story. He then asks us if we notice anything. He goes the first rule of good journalism; a brief catchy headline, and a complete summary of the story in you opening paragraph. That's all you need to see.

If the author doesn't have that, they don't respect their readers' time and that's bad journalism.

I feel like somewhere in the bloated world of "internet journalism" and blogs, that message got lost.
 
I have it on very good authority that Rosen was the most mistreated of any media member, as well as some other details about how their PR works. Just confirms all my priors. This org is a joke top to bottom.

Oh yeah, I am not surprised at all by this. I just don't see Rosen as the type of guy, who if he hosted a podcast would just sit there and let these guys spew BS and push their lies and excuses for an hour with zero push back, like we see now. I'm sure there is a reason that Hoven gets all these exclusive interviews with players and management.
 
Pretty disappointed that Andrew Knoll piled on. I'm glad he apologized and deleted the tweet, but it's still a shitty thing to say to the fanbase. The person quote tweeting it isn't me, but I wanted to give them credit. I'd post the tweet, but since it was deleted, wanted to give context for the apology.View attachment 808833

He's not wrong though, ya it may be a shitting thing to say as a journalist etc, but f*** it if he ain't wrong....
 
I have it on very good authority that Rosen was the most mistreated of any media member, as well as some other details about how their PR works. Just confirms all my priors. This org is a joke top to bottom.
I’m sure they censored him because he called
A spade a spade
 
Pretty disappointed that Andrew Knoll piled on. I'm glad he apologized and deleted the tweet, but it's still a shitty thing to say to the fanbase. The person quote tweeting it isn't me, but I wanted to give them credit. I'd post the tweet, but since it was deleted, wanted to give context for the apology.View attachment 808833
Yea the fans were the ones making sure Durzi played on his off-side and killed penalties. The fans were also the ones to trade him because we felt like paying for Provorovs contract instead so he can play for Columbus.
The whole organization needs to be torn down. Everyone from the vets, coach, management, media, etc..
Stoll Nickson and Evans are cool though. Fox I dont mind either.
 
I still remember in my high school journalism class some 20 years ago. The first day the teacher had us bring a newspaper with us, he has us read only the headline and opening paragraph of a story. He then asks us if we notice anything. He goes the first rule of good journalism; a brief catchy headline, and a complete summary of the story in you opening paragraph. That's all you need to see.

If the author doesn't have that, they don't respect their readers' time and that's bad journalism.

I feel like somewhere in the bloated world of "internet journalism" and blogs, that message got lost.
It did for sure... before the internet, publications had to break stories that were accurate and build a brand based on quality of reporting.. there was no other way to build their customer base. Without that incentive, you have what we have now which is tabloid journalism.
 
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I take Blake for his word when he said that his personal philosophy is to do nothing during the regular season. Todd will not be fired this season while Blake is in charge unless either Blake himself is fired, ownership literally forces Blake to do it, or goes around him to fire TMac directly which would be weird.

While Blake is still the GM, things are very much in ownership's hands now as Blake is digging in his heels and putting his neck out with Todd's. He also said that he isn't looking at deals and Arvidsson is the deadline acquisition. It is either the team miraculously comes back and kills it in the playoffs or Blake & Co. are fired. Either way, I guess, no matter what, if the Kings don't win a round in the playoffs, management will be purged.
 
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The best thing the Kings can do right now is plummet before the All Star break so Todd can get fired. I think this might actually happen if the Kings keep losing. I think they can salvage the season if they get a new coach during the break
With Blake job possibly in jeopardy, I think AEG might restrict the contract and therefore the pool of candidates. You might find someone thats willing to finish out the season without being guaranteed a contract going fwd.. but that is very awkward because it signals Blake may be on his way out to everyone... also they are already stuck paying Todd for next season. I think the only way this works is if Blake gets the pink slip as well and they use an interim GM.
 
I take Blake for his word when he said that his personal philosophy is to do nothing during the regular season. Todd will not be fired this season while Blake is in charge unless either he is fired or management literally forces him or goes around him to fire TMac directly which would be weird.

While Blake is still the GM, things are very much in management's hands now as Blake is digging in his heels and putting his neck out with Todd's. He also said that he isn't looking at deals and Arvidsson is the deadline acquisition. It is either the team miraculously comes back and kills it in the playoffs or Blake & Co. are fired. Either way, I guess, no matter what, if the Kings don't win a round in the playoffs, management will be purged.
Its also possible Blake has been handcuffed which would result in the same statements.. i mean if I was AEG and observe whats going on with PLD and the team in general, I may tell him he cannot change coaches or make any big deadline moves.. not that he could do much with his self imposed cap mess.
 
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Kings have 38 games remaining.

That's a total of 76 points available.

Kings currently sit at 53 points.

Playoff points are usually around the 95-100 mark right? I'm gonna go 100.

LA isn't out of it but they need to start winning the majority of their 38 remaining games obviously.

Without loser points a record of 24-14 would get them to 101 points.

Not impossible but they need to get their shit together.

Loser point possibilities are too various for my brain to deal with and I'm not great with math.
 
Would love to hear that source has to say now....AFTER the slump, there's AFTER the streak everyone is happy...we got him to win...ok...and after the slump..what, you got him to lose? That's such a bad statement to make



Clarke isn't being utilized properly? Huh? When it's him and Doughty, he's #2 on the PP, if Spence was out and Clarke was in, you'd be bitchign that Spence wasn't being utilized properly...
You know what, you are always f***ing right. I defer to your great wisdom.
 
If you mean generating some chances, but getting caught screening his own goalie on one goal and getting caught about 30 feet out of position on another goal as "nailing it", then yeah, he sure "nailed it". Kid has a lot to learn before you kick arguably the best defenseman on the team to the curb.

Don't get me wrong, I like Clarke a lot, but he's not a net plus over Roy right now. Englund? Yes. Roy? No.
Simply saying that he generated some chances downplays the quality of the chances he was generating. For a team having trouble scoring more than two goals a game, that it is important. Besides, the context has to be taken into account here: this is a soon-to-be 21 year old in his 13th NHL game playing with supreme confidence.

We should all be wanting to see what that supreme confidence leads to in Game 20, 25, and so on.

Don't see how Blake fits Roy under the cap next season. They aren't winning a playoff series this year if they even make the playoffs. Blake should recoup assets he has burned by moving Roy and letting Clarke play. Already been a disservice to have him sit around for half of last season.
Clarke is talented but he lacks wheels, strength, Explosiveness. All things Makar has. I do think he has excellent Hockey IQ and perfect to run a PP where he has more time and space. Right now he's a younger version of Durzi.
Only time he looked slow last night was when he was caught out of position and couldn't catch up to the big dude skating 20 miles per an hour on the breakaway goal. I'm not saying he is Makar level at all but rather that his play with the puck last night reminded me of watching Makar's first game when Makar had the puck.

I think he's better than Durzi right now and would prove that quickly if he continues to get as much ice as he did last night.
 
Kings have 38 games remaining.

That's a total of 76 points available.

Kings currently sit at 53 points.

Playoff points are usually around the 95-100 mark right? I'm gonna go 100.

LA isn't out of it but they need to start winning the majority of their 38 remaining games obviously.

Without loser points a record of 24-14 would get them to 101 points.

Not impossible but they need to get their shit together.

Loser point possibilities are too various for my brain to deal with and I'm not great with math.

So to be clear--no matter what--this team has ALREADY taken a step back from last year.

That alone should be firing grounds. Especially given the near-complete lack of man games lost and 5 years+ of continuity.

National media piling on is niiiiiice, keep it up
 
Would love to hear that source has to say now....AFTER the slump, there's AFTER the streak everyone is happy...we got him to win...ok...and after the slump..what, you got him to lose? That's such a bad statement to make
It's definitely one of those ambiguous spins. The allusion I see, that some have posted here, is they think he will create the kind of depth to help win in the playoffs.

I haven't seen anything from him to instill that level of confidence to justify the commitment the Kings made.

Granted, he had that "one postseason" that people fall back on. But judging things based on a postseason or two, or three, is not wise. I mean, Pavel Datsyuk had 15 points in his first 38 playoff games. Should the Red Wings have dumped him based on that sample size?

Ultimately, I agree with you it's a bad statement to make. I'm just adding why it's such a bad statement from my point of view.
 
It's definitely one of those ambiguous spins. The allusion I see, that some have posted here, is they think he will create the kind of depth to help win in the playoffs.

I haven't seen anything from him to instill that level of confidence to justify the commitment the Kings made.

Granted, he had that "one postseason" that people fall back on. But judging things based on a postseason or two, or three, is not wise. I mean, Pavel Datsyuk had 15 points in his first 38 playoff games. Should the Red Wings have dumped him based on that sample size?

Ultimately, I agree with you it's a bad statement to make. I'm just adding why it's such a bad statement from my point of view.
People talk about PLD in the playoffs with reverence like he was John Druce. I knew John Druce. PLD is no John Druce.
 
So to be clear--no matter what--this team has ALREADY taken a step back from last year.

That alone should be firing grounds. Especially given the near-complete lack of man games lost and 5 years+ of continuity.

National media piling on is niiiiiice, keep it up
They can still get more points but that would be a miraculous record in the second half.
 
The one thing I have also really disliked is that Kempe isn’t skating. Hes supposed to have elite skill but he’s not ever trying to hit the higher gears. Or he’s lost a few steps.
 
Hey look on the bright side. The last time we had the worst contract in the sport people swore up and down he was going to “flip the switch in the playoffs” like some are with PLD.

He didn’t, but the team still won the cup. We have one of that guys linemates back on the roster in Lewis, now all we need is to bring back Clifford and we can recreate the magic with a Clifford-PLD-Lewis 4th line.
 
The one thing I have also really disliked is that Kempe isn’t skating. Hes supposed to have elite skill but he’s not ever trying to hit the higher gears. Or he’s lost a few steps.
Maybe he's hurt?
 
Hey look on the bright side. The last time we had the worst contract in the sport people swore up and down he was going to “flip the switch in the playoffs” like some are with PLD.

He didn’t, but the team still won the cup. We have one of that guys linemates back on the roster in Lewis, now all we need is to bring back Clifford and we can recreate the magic with a Clifford-PLD-Lewis 4th line.

Your disdain for Mike Richards is comical, Herby.
 
It's definitely one of those ambiguous spins. The allusion I see, that some have posted here, is they think he will create the kind of depth to help win in the playoffs.

I haven't seen anything from him to instill that level of confidence to justify the commitment the Kings made.

Granted, he had that "one postseason" that people fall back on. But judging things based on a postseason or two, or three, is not wise. I mean, Pavel Datsyuk had 15 points in his first 38 playoff games. Should the Red Wings have dumped him based on that sample size?

Ultimately, I agree with you it's a bad statement to make. I'm just adding why it's such a bad statement from my point of view.

PLD is kinda like the mystery party favor, you just don't know what you are gonna get, and you sure as hell don't know if it's good or bad,

Anyone who says his play ALL of the time has been bad, is just biased, anyone who says his play has been GOOD at all times, is biased as well, goes with every player, but more for PLD whose eye test fails miserably, most of the game, when things don't go his way, there's no battle there, you can see the allure of him absolutely taking over a game, and then you watch it fizzle like Lizotte hitting Trouba.... there are parts of PLD games, that absolutely make him the best player on the ice at times/nights, the problem is the consistency is one of melted butter. Maybe they can coach that into him, maybe not, maybe he matures, maybe not,

Gonna pull a Kings17 here and go full 20/20, trade meh, but 8 years at 8.5 THATs the mistake, should have bridged him, and if he didn't like it, don't make the trade....but you know, spilt milk and all, and I don't tend to focus on spilt anything....
 
People talk about PLD in the playoffs with reverence like he was John Druce. I knew John Druce. PLD is no John Druce.
It’s actually insane that GM’s are in love with PLD primarily because he got hot for one week in bubble hockey against the least clutch organization in the league with every team coming off a 5 month unscheduled break. This isn’t even a specific Blake issue as Elliotte Friedman has said that multiple front offices think like this.
 
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