News Article: Kyrou signs 8 year extension

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I also think the "poison basket" metaphor can apply to the entire situation of the season. The coaching problems and other issues snowballed into trading away assets and while we'd all love our players to be terminators who aren't the least bit affected by the situation around them and play at 100% of their talent level every single time they're on the ice, but the fact is I don't think it's realistically possible to avoid getting less than efforts from large portions of the team even with good leadership and coaching when you've been a Cup contender as recently as last year and things go so poorly the organization itself is forced to trade away any hope of being there again this season.

I'm not saying this to excuse Kyrou's play or anyone else specifically, but I think it'd definitely an issue with making any long-term diagnosis of what is actually wrong with this roster or specific players on it.
The human condition.

When I post thing like, "these players need to grow up" or "maturity blah blah blah" etc etc, part of what I mean is that the pathway toward playing a consistent game is to mature and learn to get past the tough stuff.

I would offer that it is life-vital for any human to figure out what justice, fairness, expectations and entitlement means to them. Get these out of whack and frustration will set in, 100%.

Easier said than done, but, imo, this is the root factor of the Blues' wild inconsistency.
 
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I also think the "poison basket" metaphor can apply to the entire situation of the season. The coaching problems and other issues snowballed into trading away assets and while we'd all love our players to be terminators who aren't the least bit affected by the situation around them and play at 100% of their talent level every single time they're on the ice, but the fact is I don't think it's realistically possible to avoid getting less than efforts from large portions of the team even with good leadership and coaching when you've been a Cup contender as recently as last year and things go so poorly the organization itself is forced to trade away any hope of being there again this season.

I'm not saying this to excuse Kyrou's play or anyone else specifically, but I think it'd definitely an issue with making any long-term diagnosis of what is actually wrong with this roster or specific players on it.

The only thing a player can control is their effort and if they're not going to give 100% every night then they can f*** off. When you watch players coasting instead of back checking that's on them and no one else.
 

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The only thing a player can control is their effort and if they're not going to give 100% every night then they can f*** off. When you watch players coasting instead of back checking that's on them and no one else.
Exactly my point.
 

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The only thing a player can control is their effort and if they're not going to give 100% every night then they can f*** off. When you watch players coasting instead of back checking that's on them and no one else.
 
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Do you guys remember back in the day when Tank got a pass on his defensive play because he was a forward and was carrying the team on his back? Kyrou is doing better offensively, at a much younger age, and for only a half mil more than what Tank signed for 8 years ago. There are a lot of things to complain about, but Kyrou's contract isn't one that keeps me up at night.
 

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With his hat trick tonight he's on the verge of being a 30 goal scorer in just his 4th full NHL season
 
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Clubhouse cancer and you will never win consistently with him taking up so much cap space.
 
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Do you guys remember back in the day when Tank got a pass on his defensive play because he was a forward and was carrying the team on his back?
I can remember Tank being dogged for all kind of stuff. Not coming to North America right away, his 3-6-9 in the last 30 games of 2013 (after a pair of goals in his NHL debut and 1-2-3 the game after), his lack of defense, his lack of defense despite his offense, his lack of offense despite his defense, shooting too often, not shooting enough, not showing up for the playoffs, not scoring enough in the playoffs, and probably other stuff. You name it, he got criticized for it whether he was carrying this team on his back or not (which, according to some Blues fans, he never did).

Kyrou is doing better offensively, at a much younger age, and for only a half mil more than what Tank signed for 8 years ago. There are a lot of things to complain about, but Kyrou's contract isn't one that keeps me up at night.
By the time he was 24, Tarasenko had already been a 2nd team NHL All-Star (twice) and picked up votes for the Hart (twice). The next vote Kyrou gets for any major award will, like Brayden Schenn, be his first. [And if Kyrou gets one this year, it'll be for the Lady Byng.]

Kyrou is doing much worse defensively, for a half mil more, while having about the same goal-scoring output in an era where league scoring is about 0.8 goals per game higher. Tarasenko wasn't Selke caliber, but I don't recall him giving up the puck regularly like Kyrou does. I really don't remember him doing it, then dragging ass back on the backcheck like Kyrou does.

Is Kyrou's contract a problem? Depends. Are we OK with a guy making $8.125M per who's offensively strong, defensively crap and doesn't show any hint of caring about defense? I can remember in Hull's later years when despite putting up 50+ goals a season Blues fans bitched about his general refusal to play defense. Hell, Hull openly admitted he didn't play defense, he was paid to score goals - defense was someone else's job. If Kyrou plays the same way [no, don't start dreaming about him having multiple 50-goal seasons, much less 3 70-goal seasons and an 86-goal one], are we OK sinking that much money in him for the next 8 years?
 

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Show me how long he was on the ice before I care about that video. You have to have full context to crucify someone.
I can remember Tank being dogged for all kind of stuff. Not coming to North America right away, his 3-6-9 in the last 30 games of 2013 (after a pair of goals in his NHL debut and 1-2-3 the game after), his lack of defense, his lack of defense despite his offense, his lack of offense despite his defense, shooting too often, not shooting enough, not showing up for the playoffs, not scoring enough in the playoffs, and probably other stuff. You name it, he got criticized for it whether he was carrying this team on his back or not (which, according to some Blues fans, he never did).


By the time he was 24, Tarasenko had already been a 2nd team NHL All-Star (twice) and picked up votes for the Hart (twice). The next vote Kyrou gets for any major award will, like Brayden Schenn, be his first. [And if Kyrou gets one this year, it'll be for the Lady Byng.]

Kyrou is doing much worse defensively, for a half mil more, while having about the same goal-scoring output in an era where league scoring is about 0.8 goals per game higher. Tarasenko wasn't Selke caliber, but I don't recall him giving up the puck regularly like Kyrou does. I really don't remember him doing it, then dragging ass back on the backcheck like Kyrou does.

Is Kyrou's contract a problem? Depends. Are we OK with a guy making $8.125M per who's offensively strong, defensively crap and doesn't show any hint of caring about defense? I can remember in Hull's later years when despite putting up 50+ goals a season Blues fans bitched about his general refusal to play defense. Hell, Hull openly admitted he didn't play defense, he was paid to score goals - defense was someone else's job. If Kyrou plays the same way [no, don't start dreaming about him having multiple 50-goal seasons, much less 3 70-goal seasons and an 86-goal one], are we OK sinking that much money in him for the next 8 years?

Tarasenko wasn't exactly a rookie when he came to America. He was playing in the 2nd best league in the world from the time he was 16. He had many more years experience on Kyrou.
 
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Tarasenko wasn't exactly a rookie when he came to America. He was playing in the 2nd best league in the world from the time he was 16. He had many more years experience on Kyrou.
Alleged 2nd best league in the world. But I will grant that at 16 [late age 16, he turned 17 not too long after the season started] he was playing in a men's league.
 

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-38 lol. Even Schenn and Krug have shown some improvement there. Not Kyrou though.

It’s funny to look back on how we were all celebrating Kyrou not being included in the ROR trade. Obviously it was still a good trade, but it’s so Bluesy that there is a monkey’s paw situation in it that still came back to bite us a bit.

If only we could have moved Kyrou in that deal instead of Thompson. Damn.
 

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-38 lol. Even Schenn and Krug have shown some improvement there. Not Kyrou though.

It’s funny to look back on how we were all celebrating Kyrou not being included in the ROR trade. Obviously it was still a good trade, but it’s so Bluesy that there is a monkey’s paw situation in it that still came back to bite us a bit.

If only we could have moved Kyrou in that deal instead of Thompson. Damn.

Eh, I’d rather have moved Kostin instead of either.
 
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Love Kyrou's offense. That turnover/weak backcheck was horrible on the shorthanded goal.

He'll be lucky if Chief doesn't kill him before the season ends.

From the P-D

Kyrou finished Saturday minus-3, which was tied with Kasperi Kapanen for the worst rating on the team. While plus/minus has its flaws when related to player evaluation, Kyrou’s minus-38 rating is the worst in the NHL.
 
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Plus-minus by itself tells you nothing, yet many people want to (still) use it as some be-all, end-all measure.

Being a league-worst -38 is saying something, though, and all teh analytics folks who want to ignore it completely are just as misguided as the "+/- says everything" folks.
 

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Plus-minus by itself tells you nothing, yet many people want to (still) use it as some be-all, end-all measure.

Being a league-worst -38 is saying something, though, and all teh analytics folks who want to ignore it completely are just as misguided as the "+/- says everything" folks.
I don’t think I’ve met a “+/- says everything” person ever…

It’s one of those stats that has to be viewed in context. But yes, when you’re dead last in the league in it and a lot of your teammates are quite a bit better and you face sheltered minutes with a large majority of O-zone starts, it absolutely says something. Match it with the eye test of simply watching the games and it’s pretty obvious that Kyrou’s D is absolutely atrocious.
 
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I don’t think I’ve met a “+/- says everything” person ever…
You've been on this board for 15 years. If you've been in the NHL Talk forum or the Trade Proposals forum, you've seen it.

It’s one is those stats that has to be viewed in context. But yes, when you’re dead last in the league in it and a lot of your teammates are quite a bit better and you face sheltered minutes with a large majority of O-zone starts, it absolutely says something. Match it with the eye test of simply watching the games and it’s pretty obvious that Kyrou’s D is absolutely atrocious.
And really, you don't need to look at O-zone starts or any other stat. In this instance, the eye test is all you need.
 
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