News Article: Kyrou signs 8 year extension

[bleedblue1223]

I’m starting to think Faulk might be best choice.

I kind of view him similarly to Schenn. And to what Army said, you don't want to name a captain if you aren't 100% sure in them being the captain for the long-haul. If on some level you want Thomas to be the guy to step up or someone else from the younger group, then don't name a captain, and roll with a group of assistants. I don't think it's going to significantly change the dynamic of the group.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I kind of view him similarly to Schenn. And to what Army said, you don't want to name a captain if you aren't 100% sure in them being the captain for the long-haul. If on some level you want Thomas to be the guy to step up or someone else from the younger group, then don't name a captain, and roll with a group of assistants. I don't think it's going to significantly change the dynamic of the group.

i would prefer that we not name a c, go with thomas, schenn, faulk, buchy, and i guess parayko as As. But if we do pick one, i think faulk might be best choice of the bunch.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

They won't name Buch C before he has an extension. In place

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Neighbours really wasn't that hyped, we always viewed him as a middle 6 guy.

I've seen him hyped as a 2nd line guy. He's not, nor should he ever be - at least in the NHL. But by definition a "middle 6" guy would imply either a 2nd line or 3rd line player.

For the beginning part of the season, this board spoke about how he wasn't ready and should be in the minors. After his call up, his play definitely improved for stretches, but what did you genuinely expect out of his this year?

He should have been in the minors all season long, learning how to play defense. Given that the organization wasn't going to do that absent him playing shitty - like he did earlier this season - I would have expected him to play harder on offense to somewhat offset his defense. He didn't do that, either. [Nor do I expect him to do that going forward.]

Of course he didn't get as much criticism, the expectations for him and the standard for him was always a hell of a lot lower than any of our top 6 forwards or top 4 defensemen.

I'm pretty sure I was around when we took him. I know I hated that pick from the moment it was announced. As in, I haven't hated a 1st-round pick of ours like that since we took Jordan Schmaltz (who I wanted us to trade ASAP before the rest of the league caught on to how bad he was). But I seem to recall people being thrilled about it and hyping him as a 2nd-line guy, and as he was doing his thing in the WHL it gave off all the vibes I recall when people got excited about Brett Sonne when he won WHL Player of the Year honors. [And if the archives were still around, you'd find my criticism of him and my criticism of everyone's excitement about him.]

If there's one player that probably gets an undeserved pass at time, it's Schenn. I'm a big fan of his, but he's inconsistent, part of that might be because he plays through so many injuries due to his style, but it's still inconsistencies.

I agree with this, but Schenn gets the pass because as you note, when he plays hard he's going to leave it all on the ice. I'd rather him dial that back a bit and spread that effort across the season.

 

[Mike Liut]

I think Schenn gets the C

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I kind of view him similarly to Schenn. And to what Army said, you don't want to name a captain if you aren't 100% sure in them being the captain for the long-haul. If on some level you want Thomas to be the guy to step up or someone else from the younger group, then don't name a captain, and roll with a group of assistants. I don't think it's going to significantly change the dynamic of the group.

Obviously none of us are in the locker room to know who's a leader and who's not, but include me on the "Schenn for Not Captain" train because I get the feeling that if he's got the 'C' we'll hear about problems in the locker room in short order.

I don't think you can just stick a letter on someone's sweater and expect them to "grow into" that role. Maybe that's from personal experience, where I've seen people do well at their job and so they're good at ___, they must be leadership material follows and no, they're really not leadership material. I'm more open to letting someone try to be the leader if they express interest; they'll either find their voice and grow, learn from experience and get better or decide nope, I tried it, not for me. All of that is still better than thrusting leadership on someone who hasn't shown interest or has already shown they're not good at it and haven't learned since.

 

[joe galiba]

Is Kyrou really that lazy on defense?
or is it just some posters being lazy and use +/-, the single most useless stat ever, to decide how bad he is defensively?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Is Kyrou really that lazy on defense?
or is it just some posters being lazy and use +/-, the single most useless stat ever, to decide how bad he is defensively?

You nailed it; it's the latter.

 

[Celtic Note]

Is Kyrou really that lazy on defense?
or is it just some posters being lazy and use +/-, the single most useless stat ever, to decide how bad he is defensively?

Sometimes it’s half/no effort and often when he is giving it full effort, I am not sure he knows exactly what to do. It’s hard to tell if he is being lazy or just not confident in what to do. Likely it’s a combo deal.

I do think he is better than some suggest.

I agree that the +/- stat is minimally useful.

 

[joe galiba]

Sometimes it’s half/no effort and often when he is giving it full effort, I am not sure he knows exactly what to do. It’s hard to tell if he is being lazy or just not confident in what to do. Likely it’s a combo deal.

I do think he is better than some suggest.

I agree that the +/- stat is minimally useful.

I think the whole team had the thinking instead of just playing issue this year

defensively sometimes you could see him puck watching instead of focusing on his assignment, but almost everyone on the team seemed to have this problem at times this year
too much thinking

to me, Kyrou's biggest problem defensively was a lot of turnovers at the wrong time and place, and I do not view that as an effort issue

 

[bleedblue1223]

Kyrou is just very inconsistent. Not that this stat means that much in totality, but he was 46th among forwards in takeaways, Thomas was 10th. We've already discussed the empty net goals to death, and coaches and Kyrou did seem to struggle to find the right line/role at times.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I think the whole team had the thinking instead of just playing issue this year

defensively sometimes you could see him puck watching instead of focusing on his assignment, but almost everyone on the team seemed to have this problem at times this year
too much thinking

to me, Kyrou's biggest problem defensively was a lot of turnovers at the wrong time and place, and I do not view that as an effort issue

I think attention to detail was big issue for us this year, and Kyrou was part of it. But I think Kyrou wants to be really good player and will improve in areas he is lacking. he is part of problem perhaps, but he can and i think will be part of the solution.

 

[Xerloris]

I’m starting to think Faulk might be best choice.

We're waiting to name Bedard captain.

 

[PJJJP]

Biggest thing about kyrou was consistency and just awareness. He makes such weird decisions with the puck that leads it to being turned over at the worst times. I think when he tries to do too much he just over cooks it and turns it over. Yes he was lazy at times but so was the rest of the team. For me he just has to be more conscious and not try to overdo it.

 

[joe galiba]

Biggest thing about kyrou was consistency and just awareness. He makes such weird decisions with the puck that leads it to being turned over at the worst times. I think when he tries to do too much he just over cooks it and turns it over. Yes he was lazy at times but so was the rest of the team. For me he just has to be more conscious and not try to overdo it.

I do think some of his decision problem is more his vision (and Thomas sometimes as well), he sees a play developing and other players on the ice with him can't see it, it creates plays where the puck goes to one spot, but the player he expected to be there is somewhere else

 

[TheDizee]

 

[Linkens Mastery]

God you sound like a 80 year old whining that people do something other than work 18 hours a day.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Is Kyrou really that lazy on defense?
or is it just some posters being lazy and use +/-, the single most useless stat ever, to decide how bad he is defensively?

I would disagree that it’s the most useless stat ever. It can be useful when put into context, ie. when you also look at the team as a whole, teammates, quality of competition, zone starts etc. For Kyrou, that context paints an ugly picture - so so QoC, heavy O-zone starts and horrible +/- compared to many of his teammates playing for the same team, many of them playing tougher minutes.

But what matters more IMO is the eye test. What’s he doing out there? To me, the main two things that absolutely kill his defense is him puck watching to the point that he continually drifts out of position and bad turnovers/not making the simply play. I see some laziness to his game but generally, I almost never use the word lazy with him. It’s more an execution problem than an effort problem.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Is Kyrou really that lazy on defense?
or is it just some posters being lazy and use +/-, the single most useless stat ever, to decide how bad he is defensively?

The eye test certainly says so, backed up by the +/- thing. I think Kyrou had a -38. That's "bad".

My opinion is that +/- doesn't matter until you reach +/- 15-18. There is a threshold at which +/- starts to matter.

 

[TheDizee]

Bet Kyrou jumps at Tilted Towers by himself solo on Fortnite as well and leaves the rest of his party by themselves on there too

 

[joe galiba]

The eye test certainly says so, backed up by the +/- thing. I think Kyrou had a -38. That's "bad".

My opinion is that +/- doesn't matter until you reach +/- 15-18. There is a threshold at which +/- starts to matter.

and his expected +/- was -6.4
and -16 came purely from empty net situations
+/- just measures if your skates were on the ice when a goal was scored and nothing else

his biggest problem to me is the bad turnovers high in the offensive zone
his backchecking wasn’t great, but it wasn’t horrible either
his positioning in the defensive zone wasn’t bad, he blocked a decent number of shots, he sometimes lost his man but that was a problem the whole team had
his one on one D needs to improve, when he was head up on a defensemen who was good with puck he struggled

 

[Xerloris]

Bet Kyrou jumps at Tilted Towers by himself solo on Fortnite as well and leaves the rest of his party by themselves on there too

How dare some young kids play video games in their off time instead of having good wholesome habits like snorting cocaine and f***ing hookers. Hopefully Vrana can teach them better habits.

 

[Reality Czech]

and his expected +/- was -6.4
and -16 came purely from empty net situations
+/- just measures if your skates were on the ice when a goal was scored and nothing else

his biggest problem to me is the bad turnovers high in the offensive zone
his backchecking wasn’t great, but it wasn’t horrible either
his positioning in the defensive zone wasn’t bad, he blocked a decent number of shots, he sometimes lost his man but that was a problem the whole team had
his one on one D needs to improve, when he was head up on a defensemen who was good with puck he struggled

Can someone explain to me how "expected +/-" is calculated because this seems like another misleading advanced stat to me. Maybe his +/- is lower than "expected" because he wasn't where he was supposed to be on the ice or made a mistake. I take all of these advanced stats with a big grain of salt.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

Can someone explain to me how "expected +/-" is calculated because this seems like another misleading advanced stat to me. Maybe his +/- is lower than "expected" because he wasn't where he was supposed to be on the ice or made a mistake. I take all of these advanced stats with a big grain of salt.

Introducing NHL Expected +/- | Sports-Reference.com

Introducing NHL Expected +/-

www.sports-reference.com

Do what you will with this information.

 

[joe galiba]

Can someone explain to me how "expected +/-" is calculated because this seems like another misleading advanced stat to me. Maybe his +/- is lower than "expected" because he wasn't where he was supposed to be on the ice or made a mistake. I take all of these advanced stats with a big grain of salt.

if you are scoring a lot of goals from high danger areas and giving up a lot of goals from non high danger areas your expected +/- will be better than your actual +/-, and vice versa

so it is taking a almost meaningless stat and adding some context to it, rendering it slightly less meaningless