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joe galiba said:
if you are scoring a lot of goals from high danger areas and giving up a lot of goals from non high danger areas your expected +/- will be better than your actual +/-, and vice versa

so it is taking a almost meaningless stat and adding some context to it, rendering it slightly less meaningless
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It's still just as meaningless (no less meaningless than actual +/-), but it's got expected values so it's more acceptable to all teh analytics folks.
 
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When Kyrou was on the ice at 5-on-5, St. Louis goaltenders had a .880 save percentage, which was the worst for any Blues forward outside of Ryan O’Reilly. As such, the Blues allowed 1.57 more goals per 60 minutes at 5-on-5 when Kyrou was on the ice than when he was off it.

The Blues allowed higher-quality looks with Kyrou on the ice, in terms of scoring chances, high-danger chances and expected goals. Among the team’s 15 most-used forwards, Kyrou ranks in the bottom four defensively in each category defensively.
 
TheDizee said:
When Kyrou was on the ice at 5-on-5, St. Louis goaltenders had a .880 save percentage, which was the worst for any Blues forward outside of Ryan O’Reilly. As such, the Blues allowed 1.57 more goals per 60 minutes at 5-on-5 when Kyrou was on the ice than when he was off it.

The Blues allowed higher-quality looks with Kyrou on the ice, in terms of scoring chances, high-danger chances and expected goals. Among the team’s 15 most-used forwards, Kyrou ranks in the bottom four defensively in each category defensively.
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two things.

1. Does this data account for possible offensive strategy while Kyrou is on the ice? Like, they know they have their "big guns" out so they take more risks as a team?

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TheDizee said:
When Kyrou was on the ice at 5-on-5, St. Louis goaltenders had a .880 save percentage, which was the worst for any Blues forward outside of Ryan O’Reilly. As such, the Blues allowed 1.57 more goals per 60 minutes at 5-on-5 when Kyrou was on the ice than when he was off it.

The Blues allowed higher-quality looks with Kyrou on the ice, in terms of scoring chances, high-danger chances and expected goals. Among the team’s 15 most-used forwards, Kyrou ranks in the bottom four defensively in each category defensively.
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Had nothing to do with the seriously weak blueline we got, right?

While Kyrou really needs to pick up some Defensive skills, he's so far been solid in his position as a forward. Look at his stats! Hell, even Brett Hull had to (eventually) learn how to be defensive on the ice. Kyrou still has quite abit to learn but he's moving in the right direction.
 
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The talk about needing to understand the younger generation is a joke. Armstrong is thinking, "these fans are rubes, they will just accept this."

I can make a list of guys who are 7 years or fewer removed from their draft who are making impact in the playoffs right now. There is no talk from those GMs about needing to take courses to understand those excellent, driven, hungry players. That's insane.
 
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PocketNines said:
The talk about needing to understand the younger generation is a joke. Armstrong is thinking, "these fans are rubes, they will just accept this."

I can make a list of guys who are 7 years or fewer removed from their draft who are making impact in the playoffs right now. There is no talk from those GMs about needing to take courses to understand those excellent, driven, hungry players. That's insane.
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It's just a professional way of calling out Kyrou or maybe someone else and accepting some responsibility for why we are where we are. He's not say all young players are like that, but some are, and we have some of them.
 
I don't have time to sit and analyze everything, but I think if we're at the point that veterans are calling out kids for their lack of preparation and the veterans allowed that to invade the locker room and spread to others like it sounds like happened this past season, there are serious questions to be asked about the quality of leadership of the current roster and the roster pre-trade deadline, and serious questions to be asked about the future of this roster moving forward.

Because while it's possible the guys who aren't working hard off the ice suddenly "get it" and start doing the work that Faulk et. al. are talking about, the actuary in me says "you better have a plan in place in case they don't."
 
So if I am reading all of this right is that the kids didn't prepare before the season and played like shit while the vets prepared before the season and were also still shit. And when we are referencing the kids are we only talking about Thomas/Kyrou or are there other younger players that aren't being talked about. This whole thing seems funny to me because mostly everyone on the team looked like shit at various parts or even majority of the season. Faulk was shit during large stretches of the season. Schenn was missing during large stretches of the season. Parayko was shit up until the deadline when he played ok. Leddy was ok but not great. Krug was hurt all the time. Saad was ok but nothing stands out about him. Tarasenko looked like he couldn't care less. ROR looked like he was trying but couldn't do anything. Who knows wtf barbashev was doing at times. Buch was a bright spot. Toropchenko played hard but has stone hands. The bottom players were forgettable. This whole season was a mess and if a couple younger players can derail the entire locker room than the vets are clearly not the leaders we thought they were. Like this was a veteran team with only a couple younger players playing big roles coming into the season.
 
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bleedblue1223 said:
It's just a professional way of calling out Kyrou or maybe someone else and accepting some responsibility for why we are where we are. He's not say all young players are like that, but some are, and we have some of them.
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Of course not all young players are like that, and in fact very few are like that. The overwhelming majority are competitive athletes who on some level long before it's 7 years past their draft begin to think about how to sacrifice and push themselves to serve larger team goals in a non-negotiable way. Kyrou doesn't have it in him, he plays the game in a way that he simply deserves to lose. It's correct that he lose. The idea that Armstrong can hide his completely weak leadership in giving the biggest salary to a born loser with "oh gotta catch up with the kids, y'all can relate right?" is a masked lack of taking responsibility for himself that seems like he is taking responsibility.
 
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And we now come back to coaching. Players can't get away with what they're being held accountable for and there sound like a complete lack of accountability. They need to take back the room and get things back on track.
 
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The biggest problem I think with Kyrou is he isn't willing to engage physically at all, and that leads to most of his turnovers. He is obviously not going to be physically stronger than most opponents, but he needs some level of physical skills where he can use body positioning and leverage to protect pucks. Right now it seems like when he even meets the slightest physical resistance he just gives the puck away. Unfortunately I'm not sure if that's something that's going to change at this point.
 
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GoldenSeal said:
And we now come back to coaching. Players can't get away with what they're being held accountable for and there sound like a complete lack of accountability. They need to take back the room and get things back on track.
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While I won't disagree that the coaches need to get things back on track, remember that Armstrong has consistently pointed at the players as the problem. If they're calling his bluff, do you really shuffle the roster (which means you might have to shuffle much of it, and NTCs may still make it difficult in a few instances) or do you take the easy way out and fire the coaching staff and then again point the finger at the players and expect them to behave differently the 2nd time?
 
Ted Hoffman said:
While I won't disagree that the coaches need to get things back on track, remember that Armstrong has consistently pointed at the players as the problem. If they're calling his bluff, do you really shuffle the roster (which means you might have to shuffle much of it, and NTCs may still make it difficult in a few instances) or do you take the easy way out and fire the coaching staff and then again point the finger at the players and expect them to behave differently the 2nd time?
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I'll answer it this way: Everything went from bad to worse the moment Montgomery left.

Bad when we traded, retired, let walk players.

I kept thinking it was Perron. Not having Perron hurts but the real loss is Montgomery. Look at what he's doing in Boston. Is it possible we gave Berube far too much credit when the 'real one' who made things work was him? I'm not really thinking this train of thought over.
 
Did the big contract play into how Kyrou played? The Athletic reported early this season that teammates were frustrated that he had gotten the big payday before really proving himself.

Rutherford also said on the radio interview specifically that teammates were bothered that a guy that doesn't put in the effort, doesn't practice correctly and hasn't put in his time, is now making more than any player on the team.
 
GoldenSeal said:
I'll answer it this way: Everything went from bad to worse the moment Montgomery left.

Bad when we traded, retired, let walk players.

I kept thinking it was Perron. Not having Perron hurts but the real loss is Montgomery. Look at what he's doing in Boston. Is it possible we gave Berube far too much credit when the 'real one' who made things work was him? I'm not really thinking this train of thought over.
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No. We won the Cup before Montgomery was even here, and half this board was talking all last season about how this team was a fraud due to the poor underlying numbers.

Props to Montgomery for what he did in Boston but to imply he would have been the savior here doesn’t align with facts.
 
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BlueDream said:
No. We won the Cup before Montgomery was even here, and half this board was talking all last season about how this team was a fraud due to the poor underlying numbers.

Props to Montgomery for what he did in Boston but to imply he would have been the savior here doesn’t align with facts.
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My botch aside (Good catch), I will note that he was here last year and the team looked better than they should have given how bad we were this year.

I'd counter your appraisal and say that Montgomery might actually have been that guy we needed at this point in the franchise and maybe it was time to somehow move Chief.

Saying all of that, The shelf life of players and coaching on this team is worse than milk. It's like the 90's all over again now with an Alternate Inverted Anti-Christ Clown Jersey.
 
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TheDizee said:
Did the big contract play into how Kyrou played? The Athletic reported early this season that teammates were frustrated that he had gotten the big payday before really proving himself.

Rutherford also said on the radio interview specifically that teammates were bothered that a guy that doesn't put in the effort, doesn't practice correctly and hasn't put in his time, is now making more than any player on the team.
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You're now citing Rutherford as your source for unsubstantiated hate rumors about Kyrou? How the mighty have fallen.
 
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