News Article: Kyrou signs 8 year extension

[Brian39]

I didn't love Kyrou's play along the boards, but it was far from my buiggest issue on that play. Kyrou was in a 1 on 1 board battle for a 3-to-4 seconds and never received any support. That is inexcusable when you have a 2 man advantage. Even worse is that Hayes and Schenn not only offered no support, but they also actively removed themselves from usefulness.


At 1:50 remaining, we are fine. That is when Kyrou gets the puck. Hayes just chipped the puck to Kyrou, who is getting pressured but has support/options. He skates the puck up the wall.

Then things go way sideways. Hayes peels away from the boards and has one hand on his stick pointing directly into the sky. Kyrou tries to beat the defender along the boards rather than passing it to Krug at the point.

At this point, Kyrou needs help. One (or both) of Krug or Hayes needs to get there and support. I get why Krug doesn't pinch there. That is a bit risky since that leaves Schenn as the only man back with 27 in white at the top of the circle. I'd give him a pass for not pinching and just leaving himself as a passing option. I don't give Hayes any pass. He needs to get his ass in there to support. Either directly supporting the board battle or at least opening up his stick as a passing option in front of the Wings defender. He does neither and instead just glides toward the middle of the ice. He has not picked either skate off the ice since chipping the puck in the corner.

But then it gets much worse.

Uh oh. Now we are starting to really look screwed. Schenn is for some reason drifting away from the middle of the ice and creating a nice lane for an empty net breakaway for 27 in white. There is no simple play available to Kyrou and he is on his backhand. he is getting no support. Hayes has glided another 15 feet away from the board battle.

Now it's worse. Schenn has gotten himself further out of the play and Hayes still hasn't picked up either skate since he chipped the puck from the corner. He is gliding towards Kyrou, but with no pace or urgency to actually help. His first stride will come in the final screenshot, which takes place after the puck has been stripped and is moving towards our goal. That occurs with 1:46 remaining, a full 4 seconds after Hayes touched the puck. 4 full seconds where Hayes makes no effort to support a 1 on 1 board battle during a 6 on 4. And simultaneously, Schenn is actively moving away from the center of the ice and leaving Krug to be the absolute last line of defense at the blue line.

It's too late for anyone to help now. If this puck gets past Krug, it is simply a foot race between Hayes and 27 in white. Schenn is too far to the side to make any meaningful play here. Hayes obviously doesn't win the foot race. Game over.

Kyrou got himself into trouble along the wall, but I understand not wanting to just funnel that puck up to the point. I also very much think that the ref let a hook go that gets called 90% of the time, but 2 minutes left and a team already on a 6 on 4 is exactly the 10% where those don't get called. Kyrou is absolutely not blameless on that goal, but you have to expect that you will get some support there. It is inexcusable that Kyrou engaged in a several-second long 1 on 1 board battle where a 'loss' of that battle is a breakaway and not simply a chip out of the zone that we easily retrieve. This was very much a team goal against.

 

[joe galiba]

I didn't love Kyrou's play along the boards, but it was far from my buiggest issue on that play. Kyrou was in a 1 on 1 board battle for a 3-to-4 seconds and never received any support. That is inexcusable when you have a 2 man advantage. Even worse is that Hayes and Schenn not only offered no support, but they also actively removed themselves from usefulness.


At 1:50 remaining, we are fine. That is when Kyrou gets the puck. Hayes just chipped the puck to Kyrou, who is getting pressured but has support/options. He skates the puck up the wall.

View attachment 782774

Then things go way sideways. Hayes peels away from the boards and has one hand on his stick pointing directly into the sky. Kyrou tries to beat the defender along the boards rather than passing it to Krug at the point.

View attachment 782775

At this point, Kyrou needs help. One (or both) of Krug or Hayes needs to get there and support. I get why Krug doesn't pinch there. That is a bit risky since that leaves Schenn as the only man back with 27 in white at the top of the circle. I'd give him a pass for not pinching and just leaving himself as a passing option. I don't give Hayes any pass. He needs to get his ass in there to support. Either directly supporting the board battle or at least opening up his stick as a passing option in front of the Wings defender. He does neither and instead just glides toward the middle of the ice. He has not picked either skate off the ice since chipping the puck in the corner.

But then it gets much worse.

View attachment 782784

Uh oh. Now we are starting to really look screwed. Schenn is for some reason drifting away from the middle of the ice and creating a nice lane for an empty net breakaway for 27 in white. There is no simple play available to Kyrou and he is on his backhand. he is getting no support. Hayes has glided another 15 feet away from the board battle.

View attachment 782786

Now it's worse. Schenn has gotten himself further out of the play and Hayes still hasn't picked up either skate since he chipped the puck from the corner. He is gliding towards Kyrou, but with no pace or urgency to actually help. His first stride will come in the final screenshot, which takes place after the puck has been stripped and is moving towards our goal. That occurs with 1:46 remaining, a full 4 seconds after Hayes touched the puck. 4 full seconds where Hayes makes no effort to support a 1 on 1 board battle during a 6 on 4. And simultaneously, Schenn is actively moving away from the center of the ice and leaving Krug to be the absolute last line of defense at the blue line.

View attachment 782788

It's too late for anyone to help now. If this puck gets past Krug, it is simply a foot race between Hayes and 27 in white. Schenn is too far to the side to make any meaningful play here. Hayes obviously doesn't win the foot race. Game over.

Kyrou got himself into trouble along the wall, but I understand not wanting to just funnel that puck up to the point. I also very much think that the ref let a hook go that gets called 90% of the time, but 2 minutes left and a team already on a 6 on 4 is exactly the 10% where those don't get called. Kyrou is absolutely not blameless on that goal, but you have to expect that you will get some support there. It is inexcusable that Kyrou engaged in a several-second long 1 on 1 board battle where a 'loss' of that battle is a breakaway and not simply a chip out of the zone that we easily retrieve. This was very much a team goal against.

I will also add Thomas could have moved up the boards some to give an option as well
it was like everyone just watched and hoped something good would happen
and that penalty definitely should have been called, it wasn't one of those tic-tac kind of hook to the hands, it was a no doubter

 

[Brian39]

I will also add Thomas could have moved up the boards some to give an option as well
it was like everyone just watched and hoped something good would happen
and that penalty definitely should have been called, it wasn't one of those tic-tac kind of hook to the hands, it was a no doubter

Agreed, especially once it became clear that Hayes wasn't going to go there. like Krug, I understand his decision though. I think he was looking to be in the corner if Kyrou chipped it deep rather than making a pass.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I didn't love Kyrou's play along the boards, but it was far from my buiggest issue on that play. Kyrou was in a 1 on 1 board battle for a 3-to-4 seconds and never received any support. That is inexcusable when you have a 2 man advantage. Even worse is that Hayes and Schenn not only offered no support, but they also actively removed themselves from usefulness.


At 1:50 remaining, we are fine. That is when Kyrou gets the puck. Hayes just chipped the puck to Kyrou, who is getting pressured but has support/options. He skates the puck up the wall.

View attachment 782774

Then things go way sideways. Hayes peels away from the boards and has one hand on his stick pointing directly into the sky. Kyrou tries to beat the defender along the boards rather than passing it to Krug at the point.

View attachment 782775

At this point, Kyrou needs help. One (or both) of Krug or Hayes needs to get there and support. I get why Krug doesn't pinch there. That is a bit risky since that leaves Schenn as the only man back with 27 in white at the top of the circle. I'd give him a pass for not pinching and just leaving himself as a passing option. I don't give Hayes any pass. He needs to get his ass in there to support. Either directly supporting the board battle or at least opening up his stick as a passing option in front of the Wings defender. He does neither and instead just glides toward the middle of the ice. He has not picked either skate off the ice since chipping the puck in the corner.

But then it gets much worse.

View attachment 782784

Uh oh. Now we are starting to really look screwed. Schenn is for some reason drifting away from the middle of the ice and creating a nice lane for an empty net breakaway for 27 in white. There is no simple play available to Kyrou and he is on his backhand. he is getting no support.

View attachment 782786

Now it's worse. Schenn has gotten himself further out of the play and Hayes still hasn't picked up either skate since he chipped the puck from the corner. He is gliding towards Kyrou, but with no pace or urgency to actually help. His first stride will come in the final screenshot, which takes place after the puck has been stripped and is moving towards our goal. That occurs with 1:46 remaining, a full 4 seconds after Hayes touched the puck. 4 full seconds where Hayes makes no effort to support a 1 on 1 board battle during a 6 on 4. And simultaneously, Schenn is actively moving away from the center of the ice and leaving Krug to be the absolute last line of defense at the blue line.

View attachment 782788

It's too late for anyone to help now. If this puck gets past Krug, it is simply a foot race between Hayes and 27 in white. Schenn is too far to the side to make any meaningful play here. Hayes obviously doesn't win the foot race. Game over.

Kyrou got himself into trouble along the wall, but I understand not wanting to just funnel that puck up to the point. I also very much think that the ref let a hook go that gets called 90% of the time, but 2 minutes left and a team already on a 6 on 4 is exactly the 10% where those don't get called. Kyrou is absolutely not blameless on that goal, but you have to expect that you will get some support there. It is inexcusable that Kyrou engaged in a several-second long 1 on 1 board battle where a 'loss' of that battle is a breakaway and not simply a chip out of the zone that we easily retrieve. This was very much a team goal against.

TLDR. It's all Kyrou's fault.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Wait, so which player's fault was it that Chief got fired?

 

[Celtic Note]

TLDR. It's all Kyrou's fault.

And Schenn couldn’t have possibly don’t anything wrong…and Hayes was a good acquisition.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Wait, so which player's fault was it that Chief got fired?

Edit: does anyone know why images don't post right for me? They look fine in the preview, but when I post, it just gives the small marker for the image and I can't view it.

 

[jura]

have the same problem...

 

[Eldon Reid]

I didn't love Kyrou's play along the boards, but it was far from my buiggest issue on that play. Kyrou was in a 1 on 1 board battle for a 3-to-4 seconds and never received any support. That is inexcusable when you have a 2 man advantage. Even worse is that Hayes and Schenn not only offered no support, but they also actively removed themselves from usefulness.


At 1:50 remaining, we are fine. That is when Kyrou gets the puck. Hayes just chipped the puck to Kyrou, who is getting pressured but has support/options. He skates the puck up the wall.

View attachment 782774

Then things go way sideways. Hayes peels away from the boards and has one hand on his stick pointing directly into the sky. Kyrou tries to beat the defender along the boards rather than passing it to Krug at the point.

View attachment 782775

At this point, Kyrou needs help. One (or both) of Krug or Hayes needs to get there and support. I get why Krug doesn't pinch there. That is a bit risky since that leaves Schenn as the only man back with 27 in white at the top of the circle. I'd give him a pass for not pinching and just leaving himself as a passing option. I don't give Hayes any pass. He needs to get his ass in there to support. Either directly supporting the board battle or at least opening up his stick as a passing option in front of the Wings defender. He does neither and instead just glides toward the middle of the ice. He has not picked either skate off the ice since chipping the puck in the corner.

But then it gets much worse.

View attachment 782784

Uh oh. Now we are starting to really look screwed. Schenn is for some reason drifting away from the middle of the ice and creating a nice lane for an empty net breakaway for 27 in white. There is no simple play available to Kyrou and he is on his backhand. he is getting no support. Hayes has glided another 15 feet away from the board battle.

View attachment 782786

Now it's worse. Schenn has gotten himself further out of the play and Hayes still hasn't picked up either skate since he chipped the puck from the corner. He is gliding towards Kyrou, but with no pace or urgency to actually help. His first stride will come in the final screenshot, which takes place after the puck has been stripped and is moving towards our goal. That occurs with 1:46 remaining, a full 4 seconds after Hayes touched the puck. 4 full seconds where Hayes makes no effort to support a 1 on 1 board battle during a 6 on 4. And simultaneously, Schenn is actively moving away from the center of the ice and leaving Krug to be the absolute last line of defense at the blue line.

View attachment 782788

It's too late for anyone to help now. If this puck gets past Krug, it is simply a foot race between Hayes and 27 in white. Schenn is too far to the side to make any meaningful play here. Hayes obviously doesn't win the foot race. Game over.

Kyrou got himself into trouble along the wall, but I understand not wanting to just funnel that puck up to the point. I also very much think that the ref let a hook go that gets called 90% of the time, but 2 minutes left and a team already on a 6 on 4 is exactly the 10% where those don't get called. Kyrou is absolutely not blameless on that goal, but you have to expect that you will get some support there. It is inexcusable that Kyrou engaged in a several-second long 1 on 1 board battle where a 'loss' of that battle is a breakaway and not simply a chip out of the zone that we easily retrieve. This was very much a team goal against.

This is what I like about the boards here. Great explanation and I tried to mention this to some people saying Kyrou wasn't only one at fault on this play. Sure I can give him 50-60% of the blame, but there is blame to go all around here. 6 on 4 and you get no support when you have 2 extra players on the ice is inexcusable.


Kyrou probably should have played back to the point at the beginning. I get it not playing it back and I still think most of the issue is how bad the PP has been. I think that is why there are some decisions made that I feel several years ago we won't have done that. It needs a total makeover.

 

[TheDizee]

Armstrong ripped into Kyrou in post dispatch article today

you love to see it

 

[Brian39]

Edit: does anyone know why images don't post right for me? They look fine in the preview, but when I post, it just gives the small marker for the image and I can't view it.

I often have issues when I try to use the options for embedding media. I have the most success simply copy and pasting images into my posts. That is what I did for all those screenshots.

FWIW, I can see the image you posted in the preview when I quote your post, but then it doesn't post properly. I copy and then pasted the image into this post:

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Armstrong ripped into Kyrou in post dispatch article today

you love to see it

“Jordan’s not scoring to the level that he’s paid to score at,” Armstrong said. “It’s disingenuous to say that he is. He’s getting chances, and you can go, ‘Chances will turn into goals at some point.’ There’s a different level for Jordan. He knows it. We all know it. I believe he’ll get to it.”

“I’m not here to throw Jordan Kyrou under the bus by any stretch, but if he envisioned, ‘Where do I want to be at this point in the year,’ he wouldn’t say that I’m right where I want to be," Armstrong said. “Our job is now to get him to where he wants to get to.”



Those are the direct quotes. Where is the ripping?

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

“Jordan’s not scoring to the level that he’s paid to score at,” Armstrong said. “It’s disingenuous to say that he is. He’s getting chances, and you can go, ‘Chances will turn into goals at some point.’ There’s a different level for Jordan. He knows it. We all know it. I believe he’ll get to it.”

“I’m not here to throw Jordan Kyrou under the bus by any stretch, but if he envisioned, ‘Where do I want to be at this point in the year,’ he wouldn’t say that I’m right where I want to be," Armstrong said. “Our job is now to get him to where he wants to get to.”



Those are the direct quotes. Where is the ripping?

You're not wrong. If you watched the press conference it was a very diplomatic response to the questions about Kyrou and if anything it leans towards the organization sticking with Kyrou rather than giving up on him.

Some people are only able to believe what they want to believe.

 

[Drubilly]

“Jordan’s not scoring to the level that he’s paid to score at,” Armstrong said. “It’s disingenuous to say that he is. He’s getting chances, and you can go, ‘Chances will turn into goals at some point.’ There’s a different level for Jordan. He knows it. We all know it. I believe he’ll get to it.”

“I’m not here to throw Jordan Kyrou under the bus by any stretch, but if he envisioned, ‘Where do I want to be at this point in the year,’ he wouldn’t say that I’m right where I want to be," Armstrong said. “Our job is now to get him to where he wants to get to.”



Those are the direct quotes. Where is the ripping?

Actually it's more tearing and less ripping. Dizee's excited fingers get in the way when he's right.

 

[BlueOil]

Edit: does anyone know why images don't post right for me? They look fine in the preview, but when I post, it just gives the small marker for the image and I can't view it.

hfboards isn't loading it properly when you use their built in attachment functions, so pasting it is probably a safer bet

the image URL you used works just fine: https://i.imgflip.com/55f137.jpg?a472896

edit: imgflip isn't on the approved sites list when attaching an image so perhaps it's that

 

[stlbluz]

 

[TheDizee]

he got a stanley cup winning coach fired. he should be ashamed of himself.

 

[Stlblues87]

What a joke

 

[ScratchCatFever]

“Jordan’s not scoring to the level that he’s paid to score at,” Armstrong said. “It’s disingenuous to say that he is. He’s getting chances, and you can go, ‘Chances will turn into goals at some point.’ There’s a different level for Jordan. He knows it. We all know it. I believe he’ll get to it.”

“I’m not here to throw Jordan Kyrou under the bus by any stretch, but if he envisioned, ‘Where do I want to be at this point in the year,’ he wouldn’t say that I’m right where I want to be," Armstrong said. “Our job is now to get him to where he wants to get to.”



Those are the direct quotes. Where is the ripping?

Shouldn't it be Kyrou's job to get himself where he wants to go at this point?? He's 25.. I'm all for organizational accountability when it comes to a player's development and giving them all the resources possible to facilitate success, and I'm certainly not in the school of wanting him shipped out. But he's a grown man who was surrounded by quality veteran leadership during his first 3 seasons and has had ample time in the league now to take the next step in his maturation process.

I think what DA was actually saying is "It's on Bannister to maximize his potential because he coached him in the A, so hopefully he responds to his coaching style, or else I handed $8 million per to a guy who can't consistently motivate himself to achieve success"

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Shouldn't it be Kyrou's job to get himself where he wants to go at this point?? He's 25.. I'm all for organizational accountability when it comes to a player's development and giving them all the resources possible to facilitate success, and I'm certainly not in the school of wanting him shipped out. But he's a grown man who was surrounded by quality veteran leadership during his first 3 seasons and has had ample time in the league now to take the next step in his maturation process.

I think what DA was actually saying is "It's on Bannister to maximize his potential because he coached him in the A, so hopefully he responds to his coaching style, or else I handed $8 million per to a guy who can't consistently motivate himself to achieve success"


Not a great look at all.

Not all players mature at the same rate. Hell, it took our golden boy Perron until he was 29 to hit the next level.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Really needs to work on his forechecking.

 

[TheDizee]

i hope berube comes out in a interview and rips him to shreds. i want kyrou gone more than armstrong.

 

[ScratchCatFever]

Not all players mature at the same rate. Hell, it took our golden boy Perron until he was 29 to hit the next level.

One hundred percent. Perron was the perfect mentor for him. He's far from a lost cause. His compete has been better but can also improve immensely. He's my son's favorite player and was his first ever Blue's jersey last Christmas. I want the kid to take the next step and make his doubters eat crow and play out his contract or close to it. Hopefully Bannister does get his offense clicking over the next couple weeks.

I get that GM's have to lip service and take their own form of accountability when it comes to player growth. But at this point it's on Kyrou to decide if he wants to be great or just good.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

One hundred percent. Perron was the perfect mentor for him. He's far from a lost cause. His compete has been better but can also improve immensely. He's my son's favorite player and was his first ever Blue's jersey last Christmas. I want the kid to take the next step and make his doubters eat crow and play out his contract or close to it. Hopefully Bannister does get his offense clicking over the next couple weeks.

I get that GM's have to lip service and take their own form of accountability when it comes to player growth. But at this point it's on Kyrou to decide if he wants to be great or just good.

Ahhh, my apologies. I mis-read the direction of your post. lol

 

[ScratchCatFever]

Ahhh, my apologies. I mis-read the direction of your post. lol

All good. Been guilty of the same myself on more than a couple occasions on this jungle of a board lol.

I'm not with the cyber tarring and feathering of DA. However, letting DP walk made me hate him for a couple days. Simply for the fact that, as you alluded to - the time it took for him to become a complete player and his obvious love for the Bluenote and the city, it would stand to reason he would've been an excellent mentor in helping Kyrou take that next step over the next couple years while we're in purgatory.

Guys with incredible, undeniable skill that dominate at every level pretty much from the time they hit Pee Wee through juniors based solely on the fact they're the most offensively gifted player on the ice 90% of the time need to learn those hard lessons of how much commitment it takes to become a complete hockey player. The same way DP did.. Okay I'm done living in the past and "what if" fantasy world now..