Rumor: Kypreos says Matthews will be 13.5M (Haggling over term)

[Sidney the Kidney]

Like Crosby took a paycut with his 17.3% cap hit in 2008 then won a cup in 2009? Like Ovechkin took a paycut with his 18.96% (1.04% away from league max!!!!) cap hit in 2008? 8.7 and 9.53 million don't look like much now, but they're the most massive contracts cap hit % wise in the cap era.

And that's exactly how we will all feel in a few years about Matthews at 13+. He will sign for most in the league at around 15.5-16.5% cap hit which is comparable to his peers, then eventually players will sign for more than Matthews at around the same cap hit % when the cap keeps going up. It's how it works. Matthews is just the next one up.

Like you said earlier, time to make up your mind on the kind of player Matthews is. He isn't just some 1st liner that scores goals, he is a bonafide superstar, the leafs' franchise centre, and deserves whatever he gets.

I mean, Crosby *did* take a pay cut when going from his second to his third contract. He stuck at $8.7 million when he signed his second post-ELC deal, which dropped from 17.3% of the cap to 14.5% of the cap.

And this is despite the fact Crosby actually won something.

Matthews is already at 14.64% of the cap at his current cap hit. His rumored ask of $13.5 million would be 16.2% of this year's cap.

You brought up Crosby's contract as some sort of "see, other players do it" thing. So explain why Matthews deserves such a massive raise on his next deal -- at a short, short term, too -- while the guy you compared his contract to took less (percentage wise) while also giving his team a long term commitment?

 

[MCR74]

funny I was going to say the same for Matthews during the playoffs, superstars are supposed to play like superstars during the playoffs clearly Matthews didn't get the memo.

This coming from a Canucks fan.

Neither did Pettersson. I tried watching a Canucks playoff game last season, but couldn't find the channel.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

2018 vs Boston

1G + 1A in 7 games

2023 vs Flordia 0G and 2 A in 5 Games

Also his overall playoff production isnt good enough for the caliber of player your making him out to be

His ppg drops drastically in the playoffs

A small drop would be fine but he goes down pretty bad

Mack, Mcdavid, Kuch, Draisaitl, all are able to produce huge come playoffs

2 have 3 cups between them with 97 and 29 looking like they can win if they get goal tending stability.

Matthews needs a bounce back reg season next year and then he has to improve his playoff production

He produces like a good 2C in Kadri who has 44 in 52 playoff games vs a guy like Mackinnon who has 100 in 77 (top 5 player in the league)

IMO it’s easy to look at someone being under PPG in a 4-7 game series and call them a choker but the reality is it’s just too small of a sample size. Every player has stinker playoff series’. Crosby has had some, Malkin has had some (has had series’ where he’s put up 0-1 points), Ovechkin has had some, McDavid was under PPG in 2018. I also seem to remember people calling him a choker after they lost to Winnipeg** in 2021. It’s gonna happen to the best at times.

And like I said about the Florida series that you chose to use his numbers for but didn’t acknowledge what I said about it, Bobrovsky had the answer for everyone rounds 1-3, not just Matthews. We all saw how great he was vs Tampa in round 1, in 2022 as well.

Edit: Winnipeg not Chicago for McD

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

This coming from a Canucks fan.

Neither did Pettersson. I tried watching a Canucks playoff game last season, but couldn't find the channel.

Gotta keep deflecting. The Canucks have nothing to do with this thread.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

I mean, Crosby *did* take a pay cut when going from his second to his third contract. He stuck at $8.7 million when he signed his second post-ELC deal, which dropped from 17.3% of the cap to 14.5% of the cap.

And this is despite the fact Crosby actually won something.

Matthews is already at 14.64% of the cap at his current cap hit. His rumored ask of $13.5 million would be 16.2% of this year's cap.

You brought up Crosby's contract as some sort of "see, other players do it" thing. So explain why Matthews deserves such a massive raise on his next deal -- at a short, short term, too -- while the guy you compared his contract to took less (percentage wise) while also giving his team a long term commitment?

Can’t compare a 12 year contract that is no longer allowed in the CBA to 7-8 year contracts today. Crosby signing for that long actually brings his AAV down, if he signed for 7-8 it would’ve been much higher. Plus, 8.7 for 87 just looks right and cool.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Gotta keep deflecting. The Canucks have nothing to do with this thread.

True, this thread is about a rumour started by Nick Kypreos.

 

[MCR74]

True, this thread is about a rumour started by Nick Kypreos.

Underline rumour. Kypreos doesn't have a clue what's going on during a good day.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

Gotta keep deflecting. The Canucks have nothing to do with this thread.

So are we just gonna ignore that Matthews has actually had a lot of statistical success in the playoffs or?

I stand by it, Matthews has been good in the playoffs other than 2021 vs Montreal. He should’ve done more in that series, maybe clutched up in game 5 ot or game 6 ot, scored a goal or 2 in game 7, but he didn’t. But everyone’s moved on other than maybe habs fans, he’s been great since.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Underline rumour. Kypreos doesn't have a clue what's going on during a good day.

It is already tagged as a rumour by HF.

 

[Three On Zero]

Matthews is the second best player in the league, 13.5 really isn’t that bad for a guy who’s tied for 1st place in goal scoring over the last few years. Getting him for 3-5 years is ideal for both team/player

 

[dirtydanglez]

Matthews is the second best player in the league, 13.5 really isn’t that bad for a guy who’s tied for 1st place in goal scoring over the last few years. Getting him for 3-5 years is ideal for both team/player

he might be the second best player on his team but not the league.

 

[Three On Zero]

he might be the second best player on his team but not the league.

Quite easily second best

 

[Legion34]

This is a similar argument to what people defending the Tavares signing were making.

"If you can get a guy like him for free, it's a no brainer. Who cares if he's $2 million overpaid, you still do it."

No, it's flawed thinking to "overpay" a star just because. There's a salary cap. Every extra 500k or every extra $1 million matters a lot in order to flesh out your depth.

On top of that, it's flawed thinking to ignore a player's performance when it counts (ie. playoffs). Like I said earlier, it would be one thing if Matthews was a beast in the playoffs. Then "pay him his money" makes sense, even if it's pricey. But why should the Leafs pay a premium for a guy that's yet to show he can dominate a series, let alone an entire playoff run?

Literally no one was suggesting Tavares at 11 million was unreasonable. They were arguing silly leaf fans he will
Never go there.

He actually was offered 13 by SJ. This is complete revisionist history

 

[Legion34]

I mean, Crosby *did* take a pay cut when going from his second to his third contract. He stuck at $8.7 million when he signed his second post-ELC deal, which dropped from 17.3% of the cap to 14.5% of the cap.

And this is despite the fact Crosby actually won something.

Matthews is already at 14.64% of the cap at his current cap hit. His rumored ask of $13.5 million would be 16.2% of this year's cap.

You brought up Crosby's contract as some sort of "see, other players do it" thing. So explain why Matthews deserves such a massive raise on his next deal -- at a short, short term, too -- while the guy you compared his contract to took less (percentage wise) while also giving his team a long term commitment?

Are you talking about the now illegal back diving deal that was signed in bad faith to give him 100 million.

The pens have reported petitioned the league to re structure it because he wasn’t polannjng on playing for 3 million.

 

[canuckslover10]

This coming from a Canucks fan.

Neither did Pettersson. I tried watching a Canucks playoff game last season, but couldn't find the channel.

Pettersson was actually stellar in our playoff run so idk what you are talking about

 

[TS Quint]

He's 5th in points actually. Wanna guess who the 4 are that are ahead of him and how much money they make?

edit: I'll do it for you since you'll probably avoid it somehow and cry about how Matthews isn't worth 13+.

It's McDavid (makes more), Draisaitl (severely underpaid, everyone knows this), Panarin (makes more), and MacKinnon (makes more).

so arrogant yet so ignorant. Does it feel good to defeat your straw man? Feel smart now? That’s nice.

You’re right I did the past 5 seasons. Not the 4 years the contract.

you are wrong to use $ as the part of the contract to be looking at when it comes to contract value. You should be looking at the cap hit%. And to get an accurate Look at the cap hit of the contracts you need to look at them over the same period of time. With Matthews only having a 5 year contract compared to players so add his 5 year contract he has with the supposed 13.5 he will be getting for the next 3 years and he has the 2nd highest cap hit.

No he’s not worth $13.5m. He’s definitely not worth $13.5m for less than 8 years. You can like him. You can be happy your Leafs have him. But he’s not worth the money. It enjoy Matthews and the impact that contract brings to the team. I’m sure he makes games against the Coyotes in February fun to watch.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I’m sure he makes games against the Coyotes in February fun to watch.

All the games are fun to watch!

 

[MapleLeafs9]

so arrogant yet so ignorant. Does it feel good to defeat your straw man? Feel smart now? That’s nice.

You’re right I did the past 5 seasons. Not the 4 years the contract.

you are wrong to use $ as the part of the contract to be looking at when it comes to contract value. You should be looking at the cap hit%. And to get an accurate Look at the cap hit of the contracts you need to look at them over the same period of time. With Matthews only having a 5 year contract compared to players so add his 5 year contract he has with the supposed 13.5 he will be getting for the next 3 years and he has the 2nd highest cap hit.

No he’s not worth $13.5m. He’s definitely not worth $13.5m for less than 8 years. You can like him. You can be happy your Leafs have him. But he’s not worth the money. It enjoy Matthews and the impact that contract brings to the team. I’m sure he makes games against the Coyotes in February fun to watch.

“Arrogant yet so ignorant” you say yet you keep parroting “not worth 13.5” every reply like it’s doing something. He’s gonna get 13.5 and be worth it just like the way he was worth 11.6.

Nice job moving the goalposts after I proved you wrong btw

 

[Boxscore]

I've never watched a leafs series since 2017 and said "wow, Matthews is the reason we lost that series".

And we sure as hell never said, "wow, Matthews is the reason we won that series" either. Because we won 1 in 7 years. Wouldn't you expect that from a player who demands to be the highest paid player on the planet for only half the term all other superstars sign for?

 

[Boxscore]

Can’t compare a 12 year contract that is no longer allowed in the CBA to 7-8 year contracts today. Crosby signing for that long actually brings his AAV down, if he signed for 7-8 it would’ve been much higher. Plus, 8.7 for 87 just looks right and cool.

Yet, you're missing the point that Crosby did sign for 12 freaking years!! Not 3, 4, or 5. Crosby could have signed three more 4 year deals during that 12 year span, each time getting a larger % of the growing cap. Crosby did the exact thing Matthews won't do, and you fail to realize how important it was for the Pens that he did.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

And we sure as hell never said, "wow, Matthews is the reason we won that series" either. Because we won 1 in 7 years. Wouldn't you expect that from a player who demands to be the highest paid player on the planet for only half the term all other superstars sign for?

No one’s forcing other players to sign for 8 years every 2nd or 3rd contract. Most do that because they want stability incase their career goes south in those years, and we’ve seen it happen time and time again. Matthews believes in himself and knows that whatever term he signs for, he’ll be one of the best players in the league and due for a raise, and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as it’s for the cap hit % his comparables go for, which is around 15-16%. Again for the 10th time, Matthews is the best goal scorer in the league, a real bonafide superstar, a franchise centre. He’s worth it.

Yet, you're missing the point that Crosby did sign for 12 freaking years!! Not 3, 4, or 5. Crosby could have signed three more 4 year deals during that 12 year span, each time getting a larger % of the growing cap. Crosby did the exact thing Matthews won't do, and you fail to realize how important it was for the Pens that he did.

You can’t compare it because that reality doesn’t exist anymore in today’s league! He signed that deal so PIT could front load his contract and use those 4 extra years that are not legal today to keep his AAV at 8.7. Do you really think he would’ve signed for 8.7 for 8 years? After dominating at 8.7 for 5 years his 2nd contract? Not a chance.

 

[notbias]

And we sure as hell never said, "wow, Matthews is the reason we won that series" either. Because we won 1 in 7 years. Wouldn't you expect that from a player who demands to be the highest paid player on the planet for only half the term all other superstars sign for?

Matthews is arguably the reason we won this year... It was Rielly and Matthews.

 

[Boxscore]

No one’s forcing other players to sign for 8 years every 2nd or 3rd contract. Most do that because they want stability incase their career goes south in those years, and we’ve seen it happen time and time again. Matthews believes in himself and knows that whatever term he signs for, he’ll be one of the best players in the league and due for a raise, and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as it’s for the cap hit % his comparables go for, which is around 15-16%. Again for the 10th time, Matthews is the best goal scorer in the league, a real bonafide superstar, a franchise centre. He’s worth it.

You can’t compare it because that reality doesn’t exist anymore in today’s league! He signed that deal so PIT could front load his contract and use those 4 extra years that are not legal today to keep his AAV at 8.7. Do you really think he would’ve signed for 8.7 for 8 years? After dominating at 8.7 for 5 years his 2nd contract? Not a chance.

This makes zero sense, no matter how you try to spin it. No greedy player who is interested in making every dollar possible is going to sign a 12 year deal and miss out on 10-12 cap increases. Not when you're an elite megastar who can fill in your own amount at will. The only type of players who would commit to a non-growing AAV for 12 years are players who balance their massive paycheck with leaving money on the table so they have a better supporting cast in order to help them win. Period. No verbal gymnastics are going to convince people otherwise.

Matthews is arguably the reason we won this year... It was Rielly and Matthews.

Sure lmao. Rielly, perhaps. But there was no "one player reason." If anything, Rielly and Nylander were more impactful in the playoffs.

 

[Mr Positive]

No one’s forcing other players to sign for 8 years every 2nd or 3rd contract. Most do that because they want stability incase their career goes south in those years, and we’ve seen it happen time and time again. Matthews believes in himself and knows that whatever term he signs for, he’ll be one of the best players in the league and due for a raise, and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as it’s for the cap hit % his comparables go for, which is around 15-16%. Again for the 10th time, Matthews is the best goal scorer in the league, a real bonafide superstar, a franchise centre. He’s worth it.

You can’t compare it because that reality doesn’t exist anymore in today’s league! He signed that deal so PIT could front load his contract and use those 4 extra years that are not legal today to keep his AAV at 8.7. Do you really think he would’ve signed for 8.7 for 8 years? After dominating at 8.7 for 5 years his 2nd contract? Not a chance.

the years bringing down the AAV weren't in his 40s or anything. He still expected to play those years. He definitely has sacrificed his career earnings to keep the cap hit down. Getting all that money at the start of the deal was just a consolation.

 

[FMichael]

Underline rumour. Kypreos doesn't have a clue what's going on during a good day.

Rumor has it #34 wants $14.34 per season